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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    edited March 2023
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    After hearing about Tucker's show on 1/6, I watched some of it last night.
    I'm not going to say they were all peaceful or just tourists.
    But can we agree that it was completely weird how the police were leading the shaman guy around and opening doors for him? Even if they had to search through 40,000 hours of footage to find 5 minutes of that, that was really strange.

    google interviews with capitol police officers.
    I saw some where they said they had a hands-off approach, knew they were outnumbered so they knew they couldn't get physical with the crowd. That makes sense. Doesn't mean you need to be an escort and open the doors to the senate floor for him though, thats what I don't get. Being hands off I get, probably the right move. But why show him the way and open the door for him?
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    After hearing about Tucker's show on 1/6, I watched some of it last night.
    I'm not going to say they were all peaceful or just tourists.
    But can we agree that it was completely weird how the police were leading the shaman guy around and opening doors for him? Even if they had to search through 40,000 hours of footage to find 5 minutes of that, that was really strange.

    google interviews with capitol police officers.
    I saw some where they said they had a hands-off approach, knew they were outnumbered so they knew they couldn't get physical with the crowd. That makes sense. Doesn't mean you need to be an escort and open the doors to the senate floor for him though, thats what I don't get. Being hands off I get, probably the right move. But why show him the way and open the door for him?
    Maybe some of them were traitors too?

    Either way, this shaman guy did have access to that footage despite what Tucker said and he plead guilty anyway. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,592
    edited March 2023
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    After hearing about Tucker's show on 1/6, I watched some of it last night.
    I'm not going to say they were all peaceful or just tourists.
    But can we agree that it was completely weird how the police were leading the shaman guy around and opening doors for him? Even if they had to search through 40,000 hours of footage to find 5 minutes of that, that was really strange.

    google interviews with capitol police officers.
    I saw some where they said they had a hands-off approach, knew they were outnumbered so they knew they couldn't get physical with the crowd. That makes sense. Doesn't mean you need to be an escort and open the doors to the senate floor for him though, thats what I don't get. Being hands off I get, probably the right move. But why show him the way and open the door for him?

    well it also keeps rioters from inadvertently discovering eascape routes and the like.
    were there timestamps on the snippets shown by that fucking scumbag? thats inportant to note too

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,538
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    After hearing about Tucker's show on 1/6, I watched some of it last night.
    I'm not going to say they were all peaceful or just tourists.
    But can we agree that it was completely weird how the police were leading the shaman guy around and opening doors for him? Even if they had to search through 40,000 hours of footage to find 5 minutes of that, that was really strange.

    google interviews with capitol police officers.
    I saw some where they said they had a hands-off approach, knew they were outnumbered so they knew they couldn't get physical with the crowd. That makes sense. Doesn't mean you need to be an escort and open the doors to the senate floor for him though, thats what I don't get. Being hands off I get, probably the right move. But why show him the way and open the door for him?
    How weird indeed! Specially since throughout the BLM protest cops were kicking ass in every city Uhmm 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    I don't think they were traitors too. The video doesn't make him innocent.  And I'd like to think the escape routes would be a little more hidden, or aty least behind a locked door that 1 random guy wouldn't be able to break down.
    I just think it was an odd tactic. I see it and think it is a very strange way to handle it, you don't need to go th extra mile for the customer service in a riot.  I don't think there's anything to it other than they took the "don't rile them up" approach to an extreme by showing him the way to exactly where he wanted to go and escorting him there.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    You know what I think is a strange tactic? Inciting a mob to riot to stop the electoral vote count, assault police officers and trash the capitol building because you lost an election. Weird, I know.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You know what I think is a strange tactic? Inciting a mob to riot to stop the electoral vote count, assault police officers and trash the capitol building because you lost an election. Weird, I know.
    I agree. Both things can appear strange to someone. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    mace1229 said:
    I don't think they were traitors too. The video doesn't make him innocent.  And I'd like to think the escape routes would be a little more hidden, or aty least behind a locked door that 1 random guy wouldn't be able to break down.
    I just think it was an odd tactic. I see it and think it is a very strange way to handle it, you don't need to go th extra mile for the customer service in a riot.  I don't think there's anything to it other than they took the "don't rile them up" approach to an extreme by showing him the way to exactly where he wanted to go and escorting him there.
    I remember one of the employees repeatedly asking the rioters to not damage anything. That might have been part of it too. They figured if they let them in and supervise they might be less likely to damage the place.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You know what I think is a strange tactic? Inciting a mob to riot to stop the electoral vote count, assault police officers and trash the capitol building because you lost an election. Weird, I know.
    I agree. Both things can appear strange to someone. 
    Who were not traitors? Are you saying there were no traitors within Capitol law enforcement ranks or, in general, the rioters weren’t traitors?

    And maybe he lead them to the senate chamber because he knew it was empty and it would occupy that mob, thus buying time? That doesn’t seem strange to me at all.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You know what I think is a strange tactic? Inciting a mob to riot to stop the electoral vote count, assault police officers and trash the capitol building because you lost an election. Weird, I know.
    I agree. Both things can appear strange to someone. 
    Who were not traitors? Are you saying there were no traitors within Capitol law enforcement ranks or, in general, the rioters weren’t traitors?

    And maybe he lead them to the senate chamber because he knew it was empty and it would occupy that mob, thus buying time? That doesn’t seem strange to me at all.
    The police for escorting shaman man around. I don't think they were doing it because they were traitors. 

    I didn't think the chambers were empty? I thought he asked to go there because thats where many of the other people were.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    mace1229 said:
    I don't think they were traitors too. The video doesn't make him innocent. 
    I believe Carlson was trying to make the argument that it did...which is, obviously, absurd.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You know what I think is a strange tactic? Inciting a mob to riot to stop the electoral vote count, assault police officers and trash the capitol building because you lost an election. Weird, I know.
    I agree. Both things can appear strange to someone. 
    Who were not traitors? Are you saying there were no traitors within Capitol law enforcement ranks or, in general, the rioters weren’t traitors?

    And maybe he lead them to the senate chamber because he knew it was empty and it would occupy that mob, thus buying time? That doesn’t seem strange to me at all.
    The police for escorting shaman man around. I don't think they were doing it because they were traitors. 

    I didn't think the chambers were empty? I thought he asked to go there because thats where many of the other people were.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,143
    edited March 2023
    I'm blatantly stealing from last night's Daily Show, but some of this is like showing footage of the planes on 9/11 taking off. "See, that's perfectly fine."

    The existence of legal activities does not preclude the existence of illegal activities.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm blatantly stealing from last night's Daily Show, but some of this is like showing footage of the planes on 9/11 taking off. "See, that's perfectly fine."

    The existence of legal activities does not preclude the existence of illegal activities.
    to modern day maga republicans it excuses the illegal activities.

    except for the day hunter biden bought his laptop and the day obama wore the tan suit.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm blatantly stealing from last night's Daily Show, but some of this is like showing footage of the planes on 9/11 taking off. "See, that's perfectly fine."

    The existence of legal activities does not preclude the existence of illegal activities.
    Isn't breaking into the capitol and gaining unauthorized access in and of itself illegal?  I'm wondering what legal activities took place in the capitol that day.  If there are some people getting severe sentences for just crossing some red line on the capitol grounds, sure that is egregious, but I have seen no evidence of that yet. 

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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm blatantly stealing from last night's Daily Show, but some of this is like showing footage of the planes on 9/11 taking off. "See, that's perfectly fine."

    The existence of legal activities does not preclude the existence of illegal activities.
    to modern day maga republicans it excuses the illegal activities.

    except for the day hunter biden bought his laptop and the day obama wore the tan suit.
    What legal activities took place within the capitol that day though, from a protestor pov?  none that I am aware of?  Once you start assaulting officers and breaking into the building it is anything but a normal totally legal sightseeing trip.  I do have some sympathy for those that crossed some red line on the grounds, but that never assaulted anyone or tried to gain unauthorized entry.

    The thought that Fox is successful in having us talk about the idea that people were walking around in there with cops and security is perfectly legal shows how good they are at propaganda.  Nothing legal happened once the capitol was broken into.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    static111 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm blatantly stealing from last night's Daily Show, but some of this is like showing footage of the planes on 9/11 taking off. "See, that's perfectly fine."

    The existence of legal activities does not preclude the existence of illegal activities.
    to modern day maga republicans it excuses the illegal activities.

    except for the day hunter biden bought his laptop and the day obama wore the tan suit.
    What legal activities took place within the capitol that day though, from a protestor pov?  none that I am aware of?  Once you start assaulting officers and breaking into the building it is anything but a normal totally legal sightseeing trip.  I do have some sympathy for those that crossed some red line on the grounds, but that never assaulted anyone or tried to gain unauthorized entry.

    The thought that Fox is successful in having us talk about the idea that people were walking around in there with cops and security is perfectly legal shows how good they are at propaganda.  Nothing legal happened once the capitol was broken into.
    what fox is doing is textbook gaslighting.

    and i agree, once those people entered the building they were not supposed to be there. simply being in the building was trespassing and then crimes went up the scale from there.

    don't forget many of them assaulted officers before they even got into the building, and broke windows, doors, and destroyed property to get inside.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    edited March 2023
    It's funny because Fox knows what they're feeding to people is bullshit, 

    Tucker's a millionaire being paid by billionaires to spoon feed lies to an audience he hates and people take it seriously.  
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Merkin Baller said:
    It's funny because Fox knows what they're feeding to people is bullshit, 

    Tucker's a millionaire being paid by billionaires to spoon feed lies to an audience he hates and people take it seriously.  
    What's even funnier if the majority of the country realizes this. The one's who are not aware only get what they think is news from Fox. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    it is time to boycott what few sponsors tucker and fox news has left. if they want to outright lie every night, hit them in their wallet, and hit their sponsors with that social media hate.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited March 2023
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    it is time to boycott what few sponsors tucker and fox news has left. if they want to outright lie every night, hit them in their wallet, and hit their sponsors with that social media hate.
    It's just the my pillow guy and items for people over 70 years old at this point. Count me in for the boycott!
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    also most cable subscribers are paying for fox news even if they do not watch it. fox comes on most standard cable tv packages while other news outlets do not, meaning that every cable subscriber is paying for fox news and directly paying fox news. we should be able to tell our cable companies that fox should be optional for all packages or we are finding other means to watch tv. there is a big movement about that on twitter, which i am surprised musk has not shut down yet.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    Some pretty big name sponsors on the list. Time to write some letters and buy some stamps. Don’t forget the local sponsors as they may report up.

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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    it is time to boycott what few sponsors tucker and fox news has left. if they want to outright lie every night, hit them in their wallet, and hit their sponsors with that social media hate.
    Bahhaaahaha!
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,538
    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    it is time to boycott what few sponsors tucker and fox news has left. if they want to outright lie every night, hit them in their wallet, and hit their sponsors with that social media hate.
    Bahhaaahaha!
    Bahhaaahaha indeed at the thought that anyone could watch Faux and get information that’s in any sense factual! 
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    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    it is time to boycott what few sponsors tucker and fox news has left. if they want to outright lie every night, hit them in their wallet, and hit their sponsors with that social media hate.
    Bahhaaahaha!
    I forgot to ask you did you see that horse face MTG is going to visit your compadres in jail? 
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    it is time to boycott what few sponsors tucker and fox news has left. if they want to outright lie every night, hit them in their wallet, and hit their sponsors with that social media hate.
    The sponsors are what stick out when I watch Fox. Pillow guy (now sheet guy), doomsday shit, etc.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    Has anyone here checked out Tucker's program recently? Does he even mention this shit about his emails and texts about how much he hates tRump?

    NBC News had a story about it last night. Does Tucker just not mention it at all?
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451

    "mostly peaceful sightseers" and here's the video to back it up!!!
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Gern Blansten said:
    Has anyone here checked out Tucker's program recently? Does he even mention this shit about his emails and texts about how much he hates tRump?

    NBC News had a story about it last night. Does Tucker just not mention it at all?
    Nope, nothing. I don't think Fox is allowing any of their hosts to mention it....therefore its likely that none of their viewers are aware, hence the comedian above laughing at this. lol
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