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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,061

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,325
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    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    I don’t believe that for a second, that someone who believes in all of those things voted for Team Trump Treason or that they’re liberal. Butt hurt Bernie bro exacting revenge on Hillary maybe but not a “liberal." And like I haven’t or the left/Dems/liberals haven’t been overly generalized in the last 30-40 years? Guess we’re supposed to “play nice,” and continue losing. Funny how when a libtardaplorable such as myself speaks up, I get shouted down and yet “conservatives” have been doing it since forever and nary a peep. Again, hypocrisy is thick in these parts.
     
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,224

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    I don’t believe that for a second, that someone who believes in all of those things voted for Team Trump Treason or that they’re liberal. Butt hurt Bernie bro exacting revenge on Hillary maybe but not a “liberal." And like I haven’t or the left/Dems/liberals haven’t been overly generalized in the last 30-40 years? Guess we’re supposed to “play nice,” and continue losing. Funny how when a libtardaplorable such as myself speaks up, I get shouted down and yet “conservatives” have been doing it since forever and nary a peep. Again, hypocrisy is thick in these parts.
     
    The Bernie Bros may have voted Third, but not Trump.

    And, yeah, it's a bit of a "whatabout" but today's internet is full of silly names (libtard, cuck, etc.), means, blank-faced drawings, bumper stickers that say "you don't see a Hillary sticker on a car going to WORK," etc.  I guess I wouldn't call these kinds of generalizations "elitism" but that doesn't make them favorable to what we've been going round and round about here.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,991

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    If so, then those people have a stunning amount of cognitive dissonance going on. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,061

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    If so, then those people have a stunning amount of cognitive dissonance going on. 
    Eh...it could be that they hate Hillary, think Trump is funny, are life-time conservatives, who knows?
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,061

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    I don’t believe that for a second, that someone who believes in all of those things voted for Team Trump Treason or that they’re liberal. Butt hurt Bernie bro exacting revenge on Hillary maybe but not a “liberal." And like I haven’t or the left/Dems/liberals haven’t been overly generalized in the last 30-40 years? Guess we’re supposed to “play nice,” and continue losing. Funny how when a libtardaplorable such as myself speaks up, I get shouted down and yet “conservatives” have been doing it since forever and nary a peep. Again, hypocrisy is thick in these parts.
     
    No I don't think liberals should continue to "play nice." And of course I understand that liberals are generalized too. That's why before (not sure which thread it was) I said that the people that you call gun-toting and bible-thumping would likely call you a lazy liberal. And both them and you would be wrong.

    As for hypocrisy, I guess you're implying I'm hypocritical but I'm not. If one of the conservatives around here acted like you (applying tags like "racist" to the 60 million people that didn't vote the way they did), I'd call them out too. Unsung not withstanding...he's just trolling and not worth the effort. I take you seriously though I don't always agree. He's just trying to get a rise out of people and can't be taken seriously. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,325

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    I don’t believe that for a second, that someone who believes in all of those things voted for Team Trump Treason or that they’re liberal. Butt hurt Bernie bro exacting revenge on Hillary maybe but not a “liberal." And like I haven’t or the left/Dems/liberals haven’t been overly generalized in the last 30-40 years? Guess we’re supposed to “play nice,” and continue losing. Funny how when a libtardaplorable such as myself speaks up, I get shouted down and yet “conservatives” have been doing it since forever and nary a peep. Again, hypocrisy is thick in these parts.
     
    No I don't think liberals should continue to "play nice." And of course I understand that liberals are generalized too. That's why before (not sure which thread it was) I said that the people that you call gun-toting and bible-thumping would likely call you a lazy liberal. And both them and you would be wrong.

    As for hypocrisy, I guess you're implying I'm hypocritical but I'm not. If one of the conservatives around here acted like you (applying tags like "racist" to the 60 million people that didn't vote the way they did), I'd call them out too. Unsung not withstanding...he's just trolling and not worth the effort. I take you seriously though I don't always agree. He's just trying to get a rise out of people and can't be taken seriously. 
    See? I never said 60MM were racist, etc. I spelled out, repeatedly, what and how the numbers broke out. I’ve also asked, repeatedly, that if they’re not but continue to support Team Trump Treason, how or what should we label them as. But thanks for generalizing me. I guess this where I should accuse people of not being able to read and/or comprehend? So, are conservatives that continue to support Team Trump Treason racist? The 35-40% that make up is ardent base, IMHO, are.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,061

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    I don’t believe that for a second, that someone who believes in all of those things voted for Team Trump Treason or that they’re liberal. Butt hurt Bernie bro exacting revenge on Hillary maybe but not a “liberal." And like I haven’t or the left/Dems/liberals haven’t been overly generalized in the last 30-40 years? Guess we’re supposed to “play nice,” and continue losing. Funny how when a libtardaplorable such as myself speaks up, I get shouted down and yet “conservatives” have been doing it since forever and nary a peep. Again, hypocrisy is thick in these parts.
     
    No I don't think liberals should continue to "play nice." And of course I understand that liberals are generalized too. That's why before (not sure which thread it was) I said that the people that you call gun-toting and bible-thumping would likely call you a lazy liberal. And both them and you would be wrong.

    As for hypocrisy, I guess you're implying I'm hypocritical but I'm not. If one of the conservatives around here acted like you (applying tags like "racist" to the 60 million people that didn't vote the way they did), I'd call them out too. Unsung not withstanding...he's just trolling and not worth the effort. I take you seriously though I don't always agree. He's just trying to get a rise out of people and can't be taken seriously. 
    See? I never said 60MM were racist, etc. I spelled out, repeatedly, what and how the numbers broke out. I’ve also asked, repeatedly, that if they’re not but continue to support Team Trump Treason, how or what should we label them as. But thanks for generalizing me. I guess this where I should accuse people of not being able to read and/or comprehend? So, are conservatives that continue to support Team Trump Treason racist? The 35-40% that make up is ardent base, IMHO, are.
    Eh...I still contend more of them have been duped by a professional scam artist than are racist. And that's not to say that I think there are no racist Trump supporters. Or that Trump doesn't stroke the flames of racism more than anyone since Hitler...because he does. But this "ardent base" you speak of (which I assume are the rally-goers or MAGA hat-wearers), I think a good amount of them have become "fans" of Trump. And they like him so much that they've oblivious to all the negative aspects of his presidency. That's fandom for ya though. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,325

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    I don’t believe that for a second, that someone who believes in all of those things voted for Team Trump Treason or that they’re liberal. Butt hurt Bernie bro exacting revenge on Hillary maybe but not a “liberal." And like I haven’t or the left/Dems/liberals haven’t been overly generalized in the last 30-40 years? Guess we’re supposed to “play nice,” and continue losing. Funny how when a libtardaplorable such as myself speaks up, I get shouted down and yet “conservatives” have been doing it since forever and nary a peep. Again, hypocrisy is thick in these parts.
     
    No I don't think liberals should continue to "play nice." And of course I understand that liberals are generalized too. That's why before (not sure which thread it was) I said that the people that you call gun-toting and bible-thumping would likely call you a lazy liberal. And both them and you would be wrong.

    As for hypocrisy, I guess you're implying I'm hypocritical but I'm not. If one of the conservatives around here acted like you (applying tags like "racist" to the 60 million people that didn't vote the way they did), I'd call them out too. Unsung not withstanding...he's just trolling and not worth the effort. I take you seriously though I don't always agree. He's just trying to get a rise out of people and can't be taken seriously. 
    See? I never said 60MM were racist, etc. I spelled out, repeatedly, what and how the numbers broke out. I’ve also asked, repeatedly, that if they’re not but continue to support Team Trump Treason, how or what should we label them as. But thanks for generalizing me. I guess this where I should accuse people of not being able to read and/or comprehend? So, are conservatives that continue to support Team Trump Treason racist? The 35-40% that make up is ardent base, IMHO, are.
    Eh...I still contend more of them have been duped by a professional scam artist than are racist. And that's not to say that I think there are no racist Trump supporters. Or that Trump doesn't stroke the flames of racism more than anyone since Hitler...because he does. But this "ardent base" you speak of (which I assume are the rally-goers or MAGA hat-wearers), I think a good amount of them have become "fans" of Trump. And they like him so much that they've oblivious to all the negative aspects of his presidency. That's fandom for ya though. 
    That’s excusing racism.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,061

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    I don’t believe that for a second, that someone who believes in all of those things voted for Team Trump Treason or that they’re liberal. Butt hurt Bernie bro exacting revenge on Hillary maybe but not a “liberal." And like I haven’t or the left/Dems/liberals haven’t been overly generalized in the last 30-40 years? Guess we’re supposed to “play nice,” and continue losing. Funny how when a libtardaplorable such as myself speaks up, I get shouted down and yet “conservatives” have been doing it since forever and nary a peep. Again, hypocrisy is thick in these parts.
     
    No I don't think liberals should continue to "play nice." And of course I understand that liberals are generalized too. That's why before (not sure which thread it was) I said that the people that you call gun-toting and bible-thumping would likely call you a lazy liberal. And both them and you would be wrong.

    As for hypocrisy, I guess you're implying I'm hypocritical but I'm not. If one of the conservatives around here acted like you (applying tags like "racist" to the 60 million people that didn't vote the way they did), I'd call them out too. Unsung not withstanding...he's just trolling and not worth the effort. I take you seriously though I don't always agree. He's just trying to get a rise out of people and can't be taken seriously. 
    See? I never said 60MM were racist, etc. I spelled out, repeatedly, what and how the numbers broke out. I’ve also asked, repeatedly, that if they’re not but continue to support Team Trump Treason, how or what should we label them as. But thanks for generalizing me. I guess this where I should accuse people of not being able to read and/or comprehend? So, are conservatives that continue to support Team Trump Treason racist? The 35-40% that make up is ardent base, IMHO, are.
    Eh...I still contend more of them have been duped by a professional scam artist than are racist. And that's not to say that I think there are no racist Trump supporters. Or that Trump doesn't stroke the flames of racism more than anyone since Hitler...because he does. But this "ardent base" you speak of (which I assume are the rally-goers or MAGA hat-wearers), I think a good amount of them have become "fans" of Trump. And they like him so much that they've oblivious to all the negative aspects of his presidency. That's fandom for ya though. 
    That’s excusing racism.
    Well whatever it is. Frankly, I don't know why I'm taking the time to defend a group of people that I mostly disagree with anyway. It's not like a bunch of Trump supporters are going to show up at my door with gifts saying "Hey thanks for saying we're not all racist on that band website you go on."
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,991

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    I don’t believe that for a second, that someone who believes in all of those things voted for Team Trump Treason or that they’re liberal. Butt hurt Bernie bro exacting revenge on Hillary maybe but not a “liberal." And like I haven’t or the left/Dems/liberals haven’t been overly generalized in the last 30-40 years? Guess we’re supposed to “play nice,” and continue losing. Funny how when a libtardaplorable such as myself speaks up, I get shouted down and yet “conservatives” have been doing it since forever and nary a peep. Again, hypocrisy is thick in these parts.
     
    No I don't think liberals should continue to "play nice." And of course I understand that liberals are generalized too. That's why before (not sure which thread it was) I said that the people that you call gun-toting and bible-thumping would likely call you a lazy liberal. And both them and you would be wrong.

    As for hypocrisy, I guess you're implying I'm hypocritical but I'm not. If one of the conservatives around here acted like you (applying tags like "racist" to the 60 million people that didn't vote the way they did), I'd call them out too. Unsung not withstanding...he's just trolling and not worth the effort. I take you seriously though I don't always agree. He's just trying to get a rise out of people and can't be taken seriously. 
    See? I never said 60MM were racist, etc. I spelled out, repeatedly, what and how the numbers broke out. I’ve also asked, repeatedly, that if they’re not but continue to support Team Trump Treason, how or what should we label them as. But thanks for generalizing me. I guess this where I should accuse people of not being able to read and/or comprehend? So, are conservatives that continue to support Team Trump Treason racist? The 35-40% that make up is ardent base, IMHO, are.
    Eh...I still contend more of them have been duped by a professional scam artist than are racist. And that's not to say that I think there are no racist Trump supporters. Or that Trump doesn't stroke the flames of racism more than anyone since Hitler...because he does. But this "ardent base" you speak of (which I assume are the rally-goers or MAGA hat-wearers), I think a good amount of them have become "fans" of Trump. And they like him so much that they've oblivious to all the negative aspects of his presidency. That's fandom for ya though. 
    That’s excusing racism.
    Well whatever it is. Frankly, I don't know why I'm taking the time to defend a group of people that I mostly disagree with anyway. It's not like a bunch of Trump supporters are going to show up at my door with gifts saying "Hey thanks for saying we're not all racist on that band website you go on."

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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,061

    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    I don’t believe that for a second, that someone who believes in all of those things voted for Team Trump Treason or that they’re liberal. Butt hurt Bernie bro exacting revenge on Hillary maybe but not a “liberal." And like I haven’t or the left/Dems/liberals haven’t been overly generalized in the last 30-40 years? Guess we’re supposed to “play nice,” and continue losing. Funny how when a libtardaplorable such as myself speaks up, I get shouted down and yet “conservatives” have been doing it since forever and nary a peep. Again, hypocrisy is thick in these parts.
     
    No I don't think liberals should continue to "play nice." And of course I understand that liberals are generalized too. That's why before (not sure which thread it was) I said that the people that you call gun-toting and bible-thumping would likely call you a lazy liberal. And both them and you would be wrong.

    As for hypocrisy, I guess you're implying I'm hypocritical but I'm not. If one of the conservatives around here acted like you (applying tags like "racist" to the 60 million people that didn't vote the way they did), I'd call them out too. Unsung not withstanding...he's just trolling and not worth the effort. I take you seriously though I don't always agree. He's just trying to get a rise out of people and can't be taken seriously. 
    See? I never said 60MM were racist, etc. I spelled out, repeatedly, what and how the numbers broke out. I’ve also asked, repeatedly, that if they’re not but continue to support Team Trump Treason, how or what should we label them as. But thanks for generalizing me. I guess this where I should accuse people of not being able to read and/or comprehend? So, are conservatives that continue to support Team Trump Treason racist? The 35-40% that make up is ardent base, IMHO, are.
    Eh...I still contend more of them have been duped by a professional scam artist than are racist. And that's not to say that I think there are no racist Trump supporters. Or that Trump doesn't stroke the flames of racism more than anyone since Hitler...because he does. But this "ardent base" you speak of (which I assume are the rally-goers or MAGA hat-wearers), I think a good amount of them have become "fans" of Trump. And they like him so much that they've oblivious to all the negative aspects of his presidency. That's fandom for ya though. 
    That’s excusing racism.
    Well whatever it is. Frankly, I don't know why I'm taking the time to defend a group of people that I mostly disagree with anyway. It's not like a bunch of Trump supporters are going to show up at my door with gifts saying "Hey thanks for saying we're not all racist on that band website you go on."

    I'd be careful about opening those gifts if I were you.
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    So, if being a liberal elitist means being more inclusive, making healthcare and education affordable, or god forbid fee, having sensible gun laws, helping those less fortunate, including immigrants, and seeing more women and minorities in positions of power, whether elected or otherwise, and stamping out discrimination based on gender, sexual preference, race, etc. then I proudly wear the "liberal elitist" label. 
    Yeah all the liberal stuff you just listed is fine and well. What makes you an "elitist" is your generalizations about people. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that believe in everything you just rattled off...and still voted for Donald Trump. 
    I don’t believe that for a second, that someone who believes in all of those things voted for Team Trump Treason or that they’re liberal. Butt hurt Bernie bro exacting revenge on Hillary maybe but not a “liberal." And like I haven’t or the left/Dems/liberals haven’t been overly generalized in the last 30-40 years? Guess we’re supposed to “play nice,” and continue losing. Funny how when a libtardaplorable such as myself speaks up, I get shouted down and yet “conservatives” have been doing it since forever and nary a peep. Again, hypocrisy is thick in these parts.
     
    No I don't think liberals should continue to "play nice." And of course I understand that liberals are generalized too. That's why before (not sure which thread it was) I said that the people that you call gun-toting and bible-thumping would likely call you a lazy liberal. And both them and you would be wrong.

    As for hypocrisy, I guess you're implying I'm hypocritical but I'm not. If one of the conservatives around here acted like you (applying tags like "racist" to the 60 million people that didn't vote the way they did), I'd call them out too. Unsung not withstanding...he's just trolling and not worth the effort. I take you seriously though I don't always agree. He's just trying to get a rise out of people and can't be taken seriously. 
    See? I never said 60MM were racist, etc. I spelled out, repeatedly, what and how the numbers broke out. I’ve also asked, repeatedly, that if they’re not but continue to support Team Trump Treason, how or what should we label them as. But thanks for generalizing me. I guess this where I should accuse people of not being able to read and/or comprehend? So, are conservatives that continue to support Team Trump Treason racist? The 35-40% that make up is ardent base, IMHO, are.
    Eh...I still contend more of them have been duped by a professional scam artist than are racist. And that's not to say that I think there are no racist Trump supporters. Or that Trump doesn't stroke the flames of racism more than anyone since Hitler...because he does. But this "ardent base" you speak of (which I assume are the rally-goers or MAGA hat-wearers), I think a good amount of them have become "fans" of Trump. And they like him so much that they've oblivious to all the negative aspects of his presidency. That's fandom for ya though. 
    That’s excusing racism.
    Well whatever it is. Frankly, I don't know why I'm taking the time to defend a group of people that I mostly disagree with anyway. It's not like a bunch of Trump supporters are going to show up at my door with gifts saying "Hey thanks for saying we're not all racist on that band website you go on."

    I'd be careful about opening those gifts if I were you.
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    Look at focksnooze doing the right thing...  


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,325
    Look at focksnooze doing the right thing...  


    Because if Team Trump Treason wins, the next dem Administration could ban their reporters. Not that their viewers would notice as they have no basis in reality.
     
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,325
    my2hands said:
    Now you have my interest
    What did you think "collusion" meant?
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    Hannity in bed with shady Russians is very easy to believe, that dude gives his attention (and spotlight) to anyone who agrees with his whackjob conspiracy theories.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,036
    what should he be charged with? he didn't lie to the police. if he did lie, it was to the public, which isn't a crime. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,325
    what should he be charged with? he didn't lie to the police. if he did lie, it was to the public, which isn't a crime. 
    If he called the police claiming the protesters "cracked" his door, and upon investigation there was no "cracked" door, its a false report to the police, a crime.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,036
    what should he be charged with? he didn't lie to the police. if he did lie, it was to the public, which isn't a crime. 
    If he called the police claiming the protesters "cracked" his door, and upon investigation there was no "cracked" door, its a false report to the police, a crime.
    but the article states the "cracked door" was not in the police report, so he obviously didn't report it to the police as such. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,325
    In case you'd like a refresher on putin on the ritz's efforts. Read it cover to cover.

    https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

    Seems Faux News was a willing participant in the overall effort. Nice to know that they're "patriots" over there at Faux. You think some of the more high profile Faux News resognations were due to what was going on? And how much money did the NRA spend in the 2016 election cycle versus past? And where is the Russian beauty Maria Butina?

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 24,387
    yo, H2TM! is there a kashoggi thread? I ask because R2D2, or what ever the crown prince’s stupid moniker is, did exactly what drumpf would like to do to jim acosta, et al. hopefully, he can’t.....but who knows?

    as drumpf likes to say, “we’ll see.”
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