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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,790
    edited February 8
    I don't get why people expect news networks that heavily feature talking heads/pundits/opinion segments to be unbiased all the time. I mean, CNN and MSNBC do indeed report facts. They don't make shit up or put insane spins on stories to make them mean something untrue, like FOX does. But of course there is going to be bias, since these networks don't have the kind of format that makes it just straight up reporting of the facts and that's it. If you want that kind of news, stick to the AP releases and Reuters and shit. If you're choosing to watch news networks, you're choosing to watch editorials and personalized interpretations of the news by many players (many of whom are openly biased, and presented as such), as well as the reporting of news itself.
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,534
    edited February 8
    What I like about MSNBC is that their talking heads include a lot of attorneys and former Federal Prosecutors, former FBI and CIA senior staff and they provide lots of background and analysis. I find them to be careful about saying what's possible and speculation and what is definitely known. It's educational and we can decide what we think. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,443
    edited February 8
    PJ_Soul said:
     If you're choosing to watch news networks, you're choosing to watch editorials and personalized interpretations of the news by many players (many of whom are openly biased, and presented as such), as well as the reporting of news itself.
    This is exactly right. The Sean Hannity/Rachel Maddow-type of shows are NOT news shows. They're totally opinion-based. There are a few shows that actually do report news, but the 8pm-11pm shows on Fox News and MSNBC do not. Unfortunately, the majority of the viewers of these shows are unaware of this. Going back to the migrate caravan, the only news there is to report on it is that it exists, and here's how many people the caravan contains. That's it. When Hannity calls it an invasion, it's his opinion. When Maddow says they're people in need of help, that's her opinion. The viewer needs to come up with an opinion of his or her own rather than just accepting the opinions of these talking-heads. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,790
    Kat said:
    What I like about MSNBC is that their talking heads include a lot of attorneys and former Federal Prosecutors, former FBI and CIA senior staff and they provide lots of background and analysis. I find them to be careful about saying what's possible and speculation and what is definitely known. It's educational and we can decide what we think. 
    Agreed.
    I feel like MSNBC gets a worse rap than it deserves because, well, deep dives into the truth usually serve the left way better than they serve the right. I can't imagine anyone can come up with a good argument against that.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 11,582
    PJ_Soul said:
    Kat said:
    What I like about MSNBC is that their talking heads include a lot of attorneys and former Federal Prosecutors, former FBI and CIA senior staff and they provide lots of background and analysis. I find them to be careful about saying what's possible and speculation and what is definitely known. It's educational and we can decide what we think. 
    Agreed.
    I feel like MSNBC gets a worse rap than it deserves because, well, deep dives into the truth usually serve the left way better than they serve the right. I can't imagine anyone can come up with a good argument against that.
    You can’t imagine anyone coming up with a good argument against “deep dives into the truth usually serve the left better...” Really?

    I mean a statement like would say to me that you aren’t exactly able to see the bias and halftruths a station like MSNBC is presenting. 
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,260
    MSNBC absolutely has a left leaning bias, and to ignore that is to ignore reality. CNN is quite mainstream. Fox and MSNBC are cheerleaders for their base. MSNBC does use more fact and I trust them more than Fox, but let's be real.
    I think Media Bias Chart is pretty accurate:


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 11,582
    jeffbr said:
    MSNBC absolutely has a left leaning bias, and to ignore that is to ignore reality. CNN is quite mainstream. Fox and MSNBC are cheerleaders for their base. MSNBC does use more fact and I trust them more than Fox, but let's be real.
    I think Media Bias Chart is pretty accurate:


    That’s a pretty cool chart 
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,260
    jeffbr said:
    MSNBC absolutely has a left leaning bias, and to ignore that is to ignore reality. CNN is quite mainstream. Fox and MSNBC are cheerleaders for their base. MSNBC does use more fact and I trust them more than Fox, but let's be real.
    I think Media Bias Chart is pretty accurate:


    That’s a pretty cool chart 
    I like the chart, and the author talks about the methodology and data used to to create it. It may need a tweak here or there, but in general I find it pretty accurate.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 11,582
    jeffbr said:
    jeffbr said:
    MSNBC absolutely has a left leaning bias, and to ignore that is to ignore reality. CNN is quite mainstream. Fox and MSNBC are cheerleaders for their base. MSNBC does use more fact and I trust them more than Fox, but let's be real.
    I think Media Bias Chart is pretty accurate:


    That’s a pretty cool chart 
    I like the chart, and the author talks about the methodology and data used to to create it. It may need a tweak here or there, but in general I find it pretty accurate.
    Sure, I’m guess not everyone would agree on any methodology. ;)
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,790
    edited February 8
    PJ_Soul said:
    Kat said:
    What I like about MSNBC is that their talking heads include a lot of attorneys and former Federal Prosecutors, former FBI and CIA senior staff and they provide lots of background and analysis. I find them to be careful about saying what's possible and speculation and what is definitely known. It's educational and we can decide what we think. 
    Agreed.
    I feel like MSNBC gets a worse rap than it deserves because, well, deep dives into the truth usually serve the left way better than they serve the right. I can't imagine anyone can come up with a good argument against that.
    You can’t imagine anyone coming up with a good argument against “deep dives into the truth usually serve the left better...” Really?

    I mean a statement like would say to me that you aren’t exactly able to see the bias and halftruths a station like MSNBC is presenting. 
    I am very able to see biases where they exist. I'm not saying there are none on MSNBC - I thought that was made clear by my previous post. But yes, the truth serves the left more than it does the right now. Really. I feel like if one looks at things objectively that is the conclusion they'd have to come to. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 11,582
    jeffbr said:
    jeffbr said:
    MSNBC absolutely has a left leaning bias, and to ignore that is to ignore reality. CNN is quite mainstream. Fox and MSNBC are cheerleaders for their base. MSNBC does use more fact and I trust them more than Fox, but let's be real.
    I think Media Bias Chart is pretty accurate:


    That’s a pretty cool chart 
    I like the chart, and the author talks about the methodology and data used to to create it. It may need a tweak here or there, but in general I find it pretty accurate.
    I’d like to understand why CNN is in the orange rectangle and MSNBC is in the yellow. Cause I’d have flipped those based on my reading and watching (but they obviously have more data).
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,057
    The channel of fear, hate, ignorance, lies, racism, and xenophobia .....

     'Fox & Friends' Tries to Blame Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Fatal Subway Shooting. https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-and-friends-tries-to-blame-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-for-fatal-subway-shootin?source=articles&via=rss


  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 3,620
    PJ_Soul said:
     If you're choosing to watch news networks, you're choosing to watch editorials and personalized interpretations of the news by many players (many of whom are openly biased, and presented as such), as well as the reporting of news itself.
    This is exactly right. The Sean Hannity/Rachel Maddow-type of shows are NOT news shows. They're totally opinion-based. There are a few shows that actually do report news, but the 8pm-11pm shows on Fox News and MSNBC do not. Unfortunately, the majority of the viewers of these shows are unaware of this. Going back to the migrate caravan, the only news there is to report on it is that it exists, and here's how many people the caravan contains. That's it. When Hannity calls it an invasion, it's his opinion. When Maddow says they're people in need of help, that's her opinion. The viewer needs to come up with an opinion of his or her own rather than just accepting the opinions of these talking-heads. 
    Maddow and Hannity are not comparable.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,229
    edited February 9
    PJ_Soul said:
     If you're choosing to watch news networks, you're choosing to watch editorials and personalized interpretations of the news by many players (many of whom are openly biased, and presented as such), as well as the reporting of news itself.
    This is exactly right. The Sean Hannity/Rachel Maddow-type of shows are NOT news shows. They're totally opinion-based. There are a few shows that actually do report news, but the 8pm-11pm shows on Fox News and MSNBC do not. Unfortunately, the majority of the viewers of these shows are unaware of this. Going back to the migrate caravan, the only news there is to report on it is that it exists, and here's how many people the caravan contains. That's it. When Hannity calls it an invasion, it's his opinion. When Maddow says they're people in need of help, that's her opinion. The viewer needs to come up with an opinion of his or her own rather than just accepting the opinions of these talking-heads. 
    Maddow is absolutely biased but there is no comparison between her and Hannity. Hannity is an unpaid advisor to the president. He's admitted as much. The president live tweets and promotes his shows. They both share a lawyer who is going to prison next month.

    One show is biased, yes. The other is essentially an infomercial for the president. No comparison. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,229
    edited February 9
    jeffbr said:
    MSNBC absolutely has a left leaning bias, and to ignore that is to ignore reality. CNN is quite mainstream. Fox and MSNBC are cheerleaders for their base. MSNBC does use more fact and I trust them more than Fox, but let's be real.
    I think Media Bias Chart is pretty accurate:


    This chart and that website is pretty great. I love analyzing things like this. Gonna take a deeper dive when I have more time. But at a quick glance into their sub charts, it proves my point regarding Hannity and Maddow. 

    It has Maddow's show in the middle of the "skews left/hyper partisan" and "complex analysis/fact reporting and anaylsis" sections. 

    Meanwhile Hannity is in the "most extreme right" and "damaging to public discourse" sections. 

    All of the prime time Fox shows are in that lower right part, while the MSNBC primetime shows are mostly in the middle left sections.

    Clear Bias verses Damaging to Public Discourse. Those shows are NOT the same.

    I should mention that Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith, and to a lesser extend Brent Baer are all very good at their jobs. Cavuto too. Biased to the right, but they're not feeding their viewers garbage every day/night like the primetime Fox folks are. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,149
    i think most of us are intelligent enough to watch a news network and be able to separate fact from biased opinion. the only time i really ever watch cnn, is on my lunch hour, which coincides with brooke burke. every goddamn story is BREAKING NEWS. every time they have pundits on to discuss trump, it is inevitably a 3 or 4 person panel, and it is rare for any one of those 3 or 4 to be a dissenting opinion. they do it sometimes, but mostly not (that i've seen). sometimes they give real non-partisan insight, sometimes it's just completely biased garbage. it's easily discernible. 

    but, every single time i watched msnbc, and i haven't in a long time, but when i used to, it was fucking crocodile tears after outrage after bloody outrage. it was unbearable to watch. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,229
    i think most of us are intelligent enough to watch a news network and be able to separate fact from biased opinion. the only time i really ever watch cnn, is on my lunch hour, which coincides with brooke burke. every goddamn story is BREAKING NEWS. every time they have pundits on to discuss trump, it is inevitably a 3 or 4 person panel, and it is rare for any one of those 3 or 4 to be a dissenting opinion. they do it sometimes, but mostly not (that i've seen). sometimes they give real non-partisan insight, sometimes it's just completely biased garbage. it's easily discernible. 

    but, every single time i watched msnbc, and i haven't in a long time, but when i used to, it was fucking crocodile tears after outrage after bloody outrage. it was unbearable to watch. 
    Regarding CNN, are you complaining about a panel having bias? That’s usually why they have panels so they can have people on either side of the story explain their point of view....

    CNN goes overboard with the panels, that’s for sure. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,057
    OnWis97 said:
    This is the fear, hate, ignorance,  lies, racism, and xenophobia  network
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,229
    ^
    He was in the running to head the VA last year too. 
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    Racist news for racists presenting more ignorant racist shite...


  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,887
    edited February 23
    These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America

    https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6


    You only have the illusion of choice...

    Mainstream media is a joke.
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    These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America

    https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6


    You only have the illusion of choice...

    Mainstream media is a joke.
    but, but, but I'm so informed because I watch the news!!!

    Lol

    Wake up 
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,057
    A must read detailing the deep connections between focksnooze and the currently elected president. 
    It's long but worthwhile...

    The Making of the Fox News White HouseFox News has always been partisan. But has it become propaganda?

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house
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    A must read detailing the deep connections between focksnooze and the currently elected president. 
    It's long but worthwhile...

    The Making of the Fox News White HouseFox News has always been partisan. But has it become propaganda?

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house
    I look forward to Sean Hannity testifying before Congress. 
     
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,149
    i think most of us are intelligent enough to watch a news network and be able to separate fact from biased opinion. the only time i really ever watch cnn, is on my lunch hour, which coincides with brooke burke. every goddamn story is BREAKING NEWS. every time they have pundits on to discuss trump, it is inevitably a 3 or 4 person panel, and it is rare for any one of those 3 or 4 to be a dissenting opinion. they do it sometimes, but mostly not (that i've seen). sometimes they give real non-partisan insight, sometimes it's just completely biased garbage. it's easily discernible. 

    but, every single time i watched msnbc, and i haven't in a long time, but when i used to, it was fucking crocodile tears after outrage after bloody outrage. it was unbearable to watch. 
    Regarding CNN, are you complaining about a panel having bias? That’s usually why they have panels so they can have people on either side of the story explain their point of view....

    CNN goes overboard with the panels, that’s for sure. 
    of course panel will have bias, I'm saying that CNN stacks the panel very liberal heavy, if they have any conservatives in the panel at all. 
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    i think most of us are intelligent enough to watch a news network and be able to separate fact from biased opinion. the only time i really ever watch cnn, is on my lunch hour, which coincides with brooke burke. every goddamn story is BREAKING NEWS. every time they have pundits on to discuss trump, it is inevitably a 3 or 4 person panel, and it is rare for any one of those 3 or 4 to be a dissenting opinion. they do it sometimes, but mostly not (that i've seen). sometimes they give real non-partisan insight, sometimes it's just completely biased garbage. it's easily discernible. 

    but, every single time i watched msnbc, and i haven't in a long time, but when i used to, it was fucking crocodile tears after outrage after bloody outrage. it was unbearable to watch. 
    Regarding CNN, are you complaining about a panel having bias? That’s usually why they have panels so they can have people on either side of the story explain their point of view....

    CNN goes overboard with the panels, that’s for sure. 
    of course panel will have bias, I'm saying that CNN stacks the panel very liberal heavy, if they have any conservatives in the panel at all. 
    CNN panels regularly have repubs or conservatives on them. Regulars include Rick Sanitarium, Steve someone or other, former campaign chairman, Kellyanne CONway and others. It’s hilarious watching them justify Team Trump Treason. The latest is that because he lies, we shouldn’t expect anything more from him, as it relates to porn star payoffs.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 859
    jeffbr said:
    MSNBC absolutely has a left leaning bias, and to ignore that is to ignore reality. CNN is quite mainstream. Fox and MSNBC are cheerleaders for their base. MSNBC does use more fact and I trust them more than Fox, but let's be real.
    I think Media Bias Chart is pretty accurate:


    This chart and that website is pretty great. I love analyzing things like this. Gonna take a deeper dive when I have more time. But at a quick glance into their sub charts, it proves my point regarding Hannity and Maddow. 

    It has Maddow's show in the middle of the "skews left/hyper partisan" and "complex analysis/fact reporting and anaylsis" sections. 

    Meanwhile Hannity is in the "most extreme right" and "damaging to public discourse" sections. 

    All of the prime time Fox shows are in that lower right part, while the MSNBC primetime shows are mostly in the middle left sections.

    Clear Bias verses Damaging to Public Discourse. Those shows are NOT the same.

    I should mention that Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith, and to a lesser extend Brent Baer are all very good at their jobs. Cavuto too. Biased to the right, but they're not feeding their viewers garbage every day/night like the primetime Fox folks are. 


    I'm a little late to the party but want to point out the Fox newsmen you cite are better, but there is significant bias at fox even for these news people.

    Let's not forget it was Bret Baier who reported the completely false Hillary imminent indictment story five days before the election. A fact that is almost completely forgotten but may have been the last straw with enough voters to turn the outcome

    There's is just no comparable to this on the left.

    Also today it's being reported that fox had the story that Trump bribed Stormy right before the election but Rupert buried it. Again, there just is no comparable on the left to this level of bias

    Also, progressives will tell you that cnn and msnbc are supportive of only establishment democrats, not the progressive wing of the party.

    Bernie dealt with some bias at his cnn town hall last week:

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/27/cnn-didnt-disclose-democratic-party-ties-of-questioners-in-sanders-town-hall/
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,149
    i think most of us are intelligent enough to watch a news network and be able to separate fact from biased opinion. the only time i really ever watch cnn, is on my lunch hour, which coincides with brooke burke. every goddamn story is BREAKING NEWS. every time they have pundits on to discuss trump, it is inevitably a 3 or 4 person panel, and it is rare for any one of those 3 or 4 to be a dissenting opinion. they do it sometimes, but mostly not (that i've seen). sometimes they give real non-partisan insight, sometimes it's just completely biased garbage. it's easily discernible. 

    but, every single time i watched msnbc, and i haven't in a long time, but when i used to, it was fucking crocodile tears after outrage after bloody outrage. it was unbearable to watch. 
    Regarding CNN, are you complaining about a panel having bias? That’s usually why they have panels so they can have people on either side of the story explain their point of view....

    CNN goes overboard with the panels, that’s for sure. 
    of course panel will have bias, I'm saying that CNN stacks the panel very liberal heavy, if they have any conservatives in the panel at all. 
    CNN panels regularly have repubs or conservatives on them. Regulars include Rick Sanitarium, Steve someone or other, former campaign chairman, Kellyanne CONway and others. It’s hilarious watching them justify Team Trump Treason. The latest is that because he lies, we shouldn’t expect anything more from him, as it relates to porn star payoffs.
    maybe they do. I guess just not when I have watched (afternoons with BB). Cuomo regularly spars with conservatives, yes. 
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