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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,664
    edited July 2018
    The Juggler said:
    I hope Trump enjoyed his round with Sean Hannity yesterday at his golf course.
    Are there any rules or laws about the POTUS and the news media? I mean.... at what point does Trump's influence get too close to state-run media? Is a state-run media outlet legal? If not, isn't the line already crossed?

    BTW, "time to shut down universities"??! Wow, that sounds kind of familiar. :pensive:
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  • The Juggler
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,460
    edited July 2018
    The host here.... is this news out of China or 30's italy? 

    She interrupts to stop the guy when he says something unfavorable about Trump, and she presents Don JRs "story" about the meeting as FACT to discredit Cohen. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HswRW7XDXAQ
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    Bentleyspop said:
    ewwww.


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,664
    I had a good laugh over the bit I saw on the local news where Giuliani was ranting about how nobody could believe Cohen because he's a big liar.... One thing I know for sure: Trump is the biggest liar of them all. I really wonder if Giuliani and his ilk really believe what they're saying? Like, does Giuliani seriously not realize through delusion that Trump lies constantly to the entire world? Or does he just not care at all that comments like the one he made on this comes across as so completely ridiculous and hypocritical? I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully comprehend where these people's heads are truly at.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Suddenly collusion seems to not be that big a deal at Fox


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    NO COLLUSION FOLKS, NO COLLUSION.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    No collusion! No collusion! Well, okay, I’ll have a little bit, thanks. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,460
    Leading questions to get some answer that makes  impeachment look like the right thing VS BUY MY BOOK

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  • CM189191
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    PJ_Soul said:
    I had a good laugh over the bit I saw on the local news where Giuliani was ranting about how nobody could believe Cohen because he's a big liar.... One thing I know for sure: Trump is the biggest liar of them all. I really wonder if Giuliani and his ilk really believe what they're saying? Like, does Giuliani seriously not realize through delusion that Trump lies constantly to the entire world? Or does he just not care at all that comments like the one he made on this comes across as so completely ridiculous and hypocritical? I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully comprehend where these people's heads are truly at.

    It's intentional:

    Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the victim and delegitimize the victim's belief.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,460
    CM189191 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I had a good laugh over the bit I saw on the local news where Giuliani was ranting about how nobody could believe Cohen because he's a big liar.... One thing I know for sure: Trump is the biggest liar of them all. I really wonder if Giuliani and his ilk really believe what they're saying? Like, does Giuliani seriously not realize through delusion that Trump lies constantly to the entire world? Or does he just not care at all that comments like the one he made on this comes across as so completely ridiculous and hypocritical? I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully comprehend where these people's heads are truly at.

    It's intentional:

    Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the victim and delegitimize the victim's belief.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,664
    edited July 2018
    CM189191 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I had a good laugh over the bit I saw on the local news where Giuliani was ranting about how nobody could believe Cohen because he's a big liar.... One thing I know for sure: Trump is the biggest liar of them all. I really wonder if Giuliani and his ilk really believe what they're saying? Like, does Giuliani seriously not realize through delusion that Trump lies constantly to the entire world? Or does he just not care at all that comments like the one he made on this comes across as so completely ridiculous and hypocritical? I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully comprehend where these people's heads are truly at.

    It's intentional:

    Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the victim and delegitimize the victim's belief.
    Yes, I am aware of gaslighting (I know that Trump's anti-media propaganda is 100% intentional in the way, for example), but I don't know if we can just assume every time it is done is intentional. I think that plenty of the folks doing this have simply picked up the line, the beginning of which was intentional, but as you work your way through the ranks, the intentional beginning becomes an actual genuinely held belief. That is how loyalty within the ranks is established. That is why I wonder about Giuliani here. Be may have drank the Kool-Aid here, and is not simply being intentionally manipulative, i.e. believes what he's saying. If he doesn't, then as I said, I really can't fully comprehend where these people's heads are at when they use this tactic, not caring at all that such comments come across as so completely ridiculous and hypocritical.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,072
    PJ_Soul said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I had a good laugh over the bit I saw on the local news where Giuliani was ranting about how nobody could believe Cohen because he's a big liar.... One thing I know for sure: Trump is the biggest liar of them all. I really wonder if Giuliani and his ilk really believe what they're saying? Like, does Giuliani seriously not realize through delusion that Trump lies constantly to the entire world? Or does he just not care at all that comments like the one he made on this comes across as so completely ridiculous and hypocritical? I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully comprehend where these people's heads are truly at.

    It's intentional:

    Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the victim and delegitimize the victim's belief.
    Yes, I am aware of gaslighting (I know that Trump's anti-media propaganda is 100% intentional in the way, for example), but I don't know if we can just assume every time it is done is intentional. I think that plenty of the folks doing this have simply picked up the line, the beginning of which was intentional, but as you work your way through the ranks, the intentional beginning becomes an actual genuinely held belief. That is how loyalty within the ranks is established. That is why I wonder about Giuliani here. Be may have drank the Kool-Aid here, and is not simply being intentionally manipulative, i.e. believes what he's saying. If he doesn't, then as I said, I really can't fully comprehend where these people's heads are at when they use this tactic, not caring at all that such comments come across as so completely ridiculous and hypocritical.
    Power corrupts absolutely. Rudy was a washed up former presidential candidate and mayor of NYC. Now he's in the White House. He'll say and do anything to remain there. What else is that POS going to do at his age? Cheat on his wife?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Funny

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And yet no condemnation from repubes regarding Sunday? Lindsey? Mitchy baby? Spineless Ryan? Any of them?
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  • cincybearcat
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    Yeah if you find David Duke agreeing with you on a race issue.....you might be on the wrong side.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,455
    PJ_Soul said:
    I had a good laugh over the bit I saw on the local news where Giuliani was ranting about how nobody could believe Cohen because he's a big liar.... One thing I know for sure: Trump is the biggest liar of them all. I really wonder if Giuliani and his ilk really believe what they're saying? Like, does Giuliani seriously not realize through delusion that Trump lies constantly to the entire world? Or does he just not care at all that comments like the one he made on this comes across as so completely ridiculous and hypocritical? I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully comprehend where these people's heads are truly at.
    Giuliani actually also said in May that Cohen was a stand up guy. He knows he's spouting bullshit. it's their entire purpose. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,664
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I had a good laugh over the bit I saw on the local news where Giuliani was ranting about how nobody could believe Cohen because he's a big liar.... One thing I know for sure: Trump is the biggest liar of them all. I really wonder if Giuliani and his ilk really believe what they're saying? Like, does Giuliani seriously not realize through delusion that Trump lies constantly to the entire world? Or does he just not care at all that comments like the one he made on this comes across as so completely ridiculous and hypocritical? I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully comprehend where these people's heads are truly at.
    Giuliani actually also said in May that Cohen was a stand up guy. He knows he's spouting bullshit. it's their entire purpose. 
    I know it's very purposeful for some... but you don't think any of them are just deluded a lot of the time, just like so many of their supporters are?
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