Obama: Pro-Slavery. ::cough:: I Mean "Compulsory Volunteerism" ?? WTF ??

angelica

slightofjeff wrote:

That, I'd wager, is because you're a good parent.

Looks like you haven't read a lot of my posts.....

My daughter learning to read had little to do with me.

slightofjeff

angelica wrote:

Looks like you haven't read a lot of my posts.....

My daughter learning to read had little to do with me.

then she was just a lil genius

Rhinocerous Surprise

slightofjeff wrote:

then she was just a lil genius

Acorn/tree.

farfromglorified

Kann wrote:

Yeah sorry I realized that after posting, you said under 18 (which includes 15, 8 and 3!). I just find that "strange", the idea to let a kid go without education if it's the parents will. Say if the parent only wants his sons and not his daughters to get an education.

I never said "let a kid go without education if it's the parents will".

I think every child who wants an education should be supported by society to get one.

angelica

slightofjeff wrote:

then she was just a lil genius

That would have had to do with me, given my own genetics.

This same daughter also confronted me when she was in grade 4, telling me I was an alcoholic. This, incidentally, was also the same year she was told as she was in the car driving to the hospital with mommy, that mommy had taken an overdose of medication for a suicide attempt. It wasn't surprising, really, that this same daughter ended up being psychiatrically hospitalized herself in her first year of high school 6 times (she says 7), setting off the chain of events that prevented her from finishing high school herself. )(My daughter was also advised by a compassionate principal at her school that she would be best served, due to her own forms of intelligence and life experiences, in self-education and self-direction outside the school system).
Oh, and during this same period of her high school career, I was also psychiatrically hospitalized 3 times.

FYI, the concept of "good parent" is a fallacy, imo, based on people's opinions, independent of understanding of actual dynamics of a situation. Despite the above circumstances that may portray me as a "bad" parent, my unending drive to heal myself and get my life on track and to be a good parent was always my fundamental reason for existing. And despite my ongoing failure.

slightofjeff

farfromglorified wrote:

I never said "let a kid go without education if it's the parents will".

I think every child who wants an education should be supported by society to get one.

But how does a 5-year-old kid know whether or not he wants an education? He's not old enough to make these decisions by himself.

angelica

slightofjeff wrote:

But how does a 5-year-old kid know whether or not he wants an education? He's not old enough to make these decisions by himself.

I haven't known a five year old who wasn't filled with natural curiosity about everything. When left to their own devices, humans seek growth. When mutated by human-made systems, they are taught to shut down their awareness.

slightofjeff

angelica wrote:

I haven't known a five year old who wasn't filled with natural curiosity about everything. When left to their own devices, humans seek growth. When mutated by human-made systems, they are taught to shut down their awareness.

natural curiosity and education are related, but they aren't the same thing.

FiveB247x

Albeit I agree with your premise, this doesn't match with the real world. It's a utopian vision of "education" and not practical in reality.

angelica wrote:

I haven't known a five year old who wasn't filled with natural curiosity about everything. When left to their own devices, humans seek growth. When mutated by human-made systems, they are taught to shut down their awareness.

farfromglorified

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Of course not. But I have yet to hear what your alternative to Compulsory Education is?

Non-compulsory education.

Kids should decide what they want to do from a young age? You don't think the responses will be play the Wii and watch Sponge Bob?

LOL...I'm not sure how you're equating non-compulsory education to a system wherein kids automatically get to play Wii and watch Sponge Bob.

You should also let them decide what they want to eat as well. Pizza and McDonalds every night it is!

If I have an 8 year old who wants to eat pizza and mcdonalds every night, they're more than welcome to buy pizza and mcdonalds for themselves every night.

Kids not only want discipline, they crave it. Kids that are allowed to run wild will do so and mess up there life. Happens all of the time because Parents are so afraid to tell there kids no.

LOL...

Are you equating education with "discipline"? Yikes.

Its Evolution Baby

I think if my kid had the ability to read on there own at a young age it would make me think more of there future education. Visions of Stanford or Berkley would run in my head.

All kids go through spells where they don't want to go to school. Its part of the immaturity that goes with growing up. Hell I'm 27 and I'm just now getting mature enough where I feel I make good decisions for my future.

And if you think public schooling is helping create this society of yesmen and sheep then home school your kids. Just make sure they get an education is all.

slightofjeff

farfromglorified wrote:

Non-compulsory education.

Maybe it would help your case if you would explain what you have in mind here. Being intentionally vague isn't helping us understand your point of view.

farfromglorified

slightofjeff wrote:

Maybe it would help your case if you would explain what you have in mind here. Being intentionally vague isn't helping us understand your point of view.

I'm not sure I understand your question. Today, you have laws stating that kids must go to school. I'm suggesting you remove that law.

angelica

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

I think if my kid had the ability to read on there own at a young age it would make me think more of there future education.

In my case, my daughter was taught to read by my brother. He also taught another neice to read. Both children ended up advanced readers through school.

Visions of Stanford or Berkley would run in my head.

Why would you want to limit your children in any way??

FiveB247x

Ok, so what's the next step. Kids are no longer forced to go to school. Then what? Where or how do they receive education (if they crave it)? What do they do with all the time they're free and their parents are working? Please fill us in on the details.

farfromglorified wrote:

I'm not sure I understand your question. Today, you have laws stating that kids must go to school. I'm suggesting you remove that law.

lgt

farfromglorified wrote:

I'm not sure I understand your question. Today, you have laws stating that kids must go to school. I'm suggesting you remove that law.

Are you advocating a return to the Middle Ages? When education was the preserve of a few? (while the masses slaved away in menial jobs and suppression)

Do you know why historically universal compulsory education was introduced?

Kel Varnsen

farfromglorified wrote:

LOL...I'm not sure how you're equating non-compulsory education to a system wherein kids automatically get to play Wii and watch Sponge Bob.

Because if you give a kid the choice between watching cartoons and going to school to learn something boring like grammar they are probably going to pick cartoons, because they don't know any better and they aren't smart enough to know why school is important (or will be important in the future).

angelica

FiveB247x wrote:

Albeit I agree with your premise, this doesn't match with the real world. It's a utopian vision of "education" and not practical in reality.

I've both healed myself and educated myself. What I speak of is purely practical. The thing is, until people understand by practical experience self-education and self-healing, they .... don't know what they are taking about. They are saying the symbol to the dynamic is the same as the dynamic itself. And therefore have cut their own awareness short on the subject.

In both healing and education, given a formal external lack of both, from within numerous concepts revealed themselves to me. For example, I've had an ungodly amount of philosophical principles reveal themselves to me from within. And I'm constantly surprised to find that what I've conceived of myself are well known views held by prominant philosophers. Therefore, when I actually read the philosopher version, I understand it FARRRRRRRRRRRr more than those who are taught via information, externally, and who take the pale representation to be the truth. I know these abilities can be honed and expanded upon and developed by anyone, because I constantly develop and expand upon this in myself.

Beware of terms that are designed to limit possibilities...ie: utopian

farfromglorified

FiveB247x wrote:

Ok, so what's the next step. Kids are no longer forced to go to school. Then what? Where or how do they receive education (if they crave it)?

From schools, be them private, public, or a mixture of the two.

What do they do with all the time they're free and their parents are working?

LOL...whatever they and their parents agree to. I'm in no position to say what everyone's kids should be doing with their free time.

FiveB247x

But because one person has success as for you or your smart child, doesn't make it a basis for all... which is what the education system caters too. You can't make the exception, the rule.

angelica wrote:

I've both healed myself and educated myself. What I speak of is purely practical. The thing is, until people understand by practical experience self-education and self-healing, they .... don't know what they are taking about. They are saying the symbol to the dynamic is the same as the dynamic itself. And therefore have cut their own awareness short on the subject.

In both healing and education, given a formal external lack of both, from within numerous concepts revealed themselves to me. For example, I've had an ungodly amount of philosophical principles reveal themselves to me from within. And I'm constantly surprised to find that what I've conceived of myself are well known views held by prominant philosophers. Therefore, when I actually read the philosopher version, I understand it FARRRRRRRRRRRr more than those who are taught via information, externally, and who take the pale representation to be the truth. I know these abilities can be honed and expanded upon and developed by anyone, because I constantly develop and expand upon this in myself.

Beware of terms that are designed to limit possibilities...ie: utopian