i'm sorry... i dont subscribe to that view whatsoever... thats the kinda talk that neo-cons holed up in Idaho with their militias have... here endeth the debate
because it was within 1 mile of the houses of parliament... thats the law and she knew that... she decided to break it.. and she would have been given permission, absolutely... it wasnt a mass protest, it met the criteria in which she would have been allowed... i.e. it wasnt racist, homophobic, etc... it would have been a political error to not allow her.. as for her protest.. couldnt give a fuck about it anymore... apathy has set in and anger rises at the problems we have on our own shores... seeing homeless people beg on our streets, crime, poverty, etc, etc, etc all happening in the UK as we speak.. personally Iraq is a lost cause on me.. i just dont care, i do care a lot about our own problems however...
thats true... but we can still protest... absolutely... i saw and walked with over 100,000 people in London last weekend calling for a ceasefire... they had no permits, but they walked peacefully up to no.10 and handed in the petition... all done and with no problems... policemen laughing and smiling along with peaceful protestors... it still happens.. you make it out (by using 3 paltry examples) that we are under some iron blanket and all dissent will lead to incarceration and political parties being banned and scottish people being made to live in ghettos and make bombs for war.... you paint a picture of a future that even Hieronymus Bosch would struggle to look at
I don't see how you can say "because it was within 1 mile of the houses of parliament... thats the law and she knew that." It is a new law, which has nothing to do with Terrorism!! The houses of fucking Parliament are the UK people's CONDUIT FOR DEMOCRACY. If they are not allowed to approach that building then democracy is dead!!
Sure there are examples, like the march last weekend, which, as you say, would be politically stupid to turn away. bUt what happens when the marches become more frequent, the wars drag on, more people come out against them. You think theyl allow peaceful protest then? When yet again they ignore the majority view and go to war, over and over again?
I only paint a picture of the laws that are in place, and yes, of course we are not under an Iron blanket, RIGHT NOW, but under those laws, IT CAN BE.
Tyrannies, oppressions, do not hapen overnight. They take time, they take the complicit culpability of the people to accept over a period of time.
What else are those specific laws for???
And, also, you are more concerned for the problems at home, then guess what, fucking A dude, so am I, that's the spirit!! So link the billions wasted in war, in anti-terror campaigns, to what that could provide for the homeless, for tackling poverty related crime...see how this is panning out?
Who is responsible for poverty, for the homeless? The same people that waste billions on wars, who turn over parts of the NHS and the education system to PRIVATE, mostly American companies, who hand over portions of the prison system, to PRIVATE companies. These things start small. Within the decade, the entire NHS system will be private, wil be run for profit at the expense of and detriment to the taxpayer. As will schools, and these academies they are building which are funded in part by private companies but are ran solely for the profit of them, that disavow science and Darwin and promote the teaching of Religion and Creationism over science!! This not in the USA, this is the UK. Look up the Vardy Academies, as an example. Very prevalent in the North East and Yorkshire and London.
We live in a corporate state where all major governmental decisions are not taken for the benefit of the nation, but for the Private companies of that nation.
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offence of publishing, possessing or disseminating publications that indirectly incite terrorist acts or are likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing a terrorist act
hardly political leafles
Definition of "terrorism"
Terrorism, under section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000, is
1) is the (i) "use" OR (ii) "threat" of action;
2) which (i) involves serious violence against any person, (ii) involves serious damage to property (iii) endangers life, (iv) creates a serious health / safety risk to a section of the public, or (v) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system;
3) (i) involves firearms or explosives, (ii) is designed to influence the government, or (iii) is designed to intimidate the public or a section of the public;
4) is for the purposes of advancing a (i) political, (ii) religious, (iii) or ideological cause.
See that last line, Paragraph 4) For the purposes of advancing a political or ideological cause.
Very, very broad sweep that.
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I don't see how you can say "because it was within 1 mile of the houses of parliament... thats the law and she knew that." It is a new law, which has nothing to do with Terrorism!! The houses of fucking Parliament are the UK people's CONDUIT FOR DEMOCRACY. If they are not allowed to approach that building then democracy is dead!!
Sure there are examples, like the march last weekend, which, as you say, would be politically stupid to turn away. bUt what happens when the marches become more frequent, the wars drag on, more people come out against them. You think theyl allow peaceful protest then? When yet again they ignore the majority view and go to war, over and over again?
I only paint a picture of the laws that are in place, and yes, of course we are not under an Iron blanket, RIGHT NOW, but under those laws, IT CAN BE.
Tyrannies, oppressions, do not hapen overnight. They take time, they take the complicit culpability of the people to accept over a period of time.
What else are those specific laws for???
And, also, you are more concerned for the problems at home, then guess what, fucking A dude, so am I, that's the spirit!! So link the billions wasted in war, in anti-terror campaigns, to what that could provide for the homeless, for tackling poverty related crime...see how this is panning out?
Who is responsible for poverty, for the homeless? The same people that waste billions on wars, who turn over parts of the NHS and the education system to PRIVATE, mostly American companies, who hand over portions of the prison system, to PRIVATE companies. These things start small. Within the decade, the entire NHS system will be private, wil be run for profit at the expense of and detriment to the taxpayer. As will schools, and these academies they are building which are funded in part by private companies but are ran solely for the profit of them, that disavow science and Darwin and promote the teaching of Religion and Creationism over science!! This not in the USA, this is the UK. Look up the Vardy Academies, as an example. Very prevalent in the North East and Yorkshire and London.
We live in a corporate state where all major governmental decisions are not taken for the benefit of the nation, but for the Private companies of that nation.
i do see where you're coming from... its just that your view is a bit to pessimistic in all honesty.... we wont turn into a nazi fascist state.. we just wont...
look... if it'll shut you up i'll buy you a fucking pint... now Scots people dont normally buy anyone anything... all this debating and arguing are fine... but truth be told we'll both be rocking our heads off to the sweet sounds of Gossard and Co. in a few days... thats something we both agree on...
thats if i can get on my fucking plane... dirty terrorist bastards... i'm glad their names are out.... i cant take my ipod on the flight over now.... and thats a heinous crime... may they rot in jail
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
4) is for the purposes of advancing a (i) political, (ii) religious, (iii) or ideological cause.
See that last line, Paragraph 4) For the purposes of advancing a political or ideological cause.
Very, very broad sweep that.
but by your earlier definition then the local Jehovah's Witness playgroup comes under that... as does the ideological beliefs of that Nudist nutter who strolls everywhere sans pants......... that last line would only be used if the material was deemed offensive enough to cause terror... what kinda political leaflets do you want to hand out... Green Party? which case you'll be fine
BNP.... well then thats incitement of hatred and racism... that should be stopped.... handing out Al Qaeda fanzines? quite rightly you'll be arrested under these laws.....
its a very very very broad sweep... but it has to be definable in a court of law... the leaflet has to be an implement of terror to enable you te be charged under the terrorism act.... so handing out "stop bombing Iraq" leaflets wont hold up in a court of law... as there is no incitement of hatred there.......... dont fear the worst man....
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
i do see where you're coming from... its just that your view is a bit to pessimistic in all honesty.... we wont turn into a nazi fascist state.. we just wont...
look... if it'll shut you up i'll buy you a fucking pint... now Scots people dont normally buy anyone anything... all this debating and arguing are fine... but truth be told we'll both be rocking our heads off to the sweet sounds of Gossard and Co. in a few days... thats something we both agree on...
thats if i can get on my fucking plane... dirty terrorist bastards... i'm glad their names are out.... i cant take my ipod on the flight over now.... and thats a heinous crime... may they rot in jail
You think theyll stil be banning hand lugagge? Fucked if im going on a 30 minute flight with me bird and no headphones (sorry Bridge ;-) )
If i weren't tea-total, Id take the pint. J2O will do though ;-)
Seriously, yeah, maybe I am a bit too pessimistic about the future. Before the invasion of, and the lies surrounding, Iraq, I wasn't. What does that say?
I also know the UK won't become a nazi state, the people will, eventually, rise against it, I hope, but it's not to say those in power, or really, those with power behind those we think are in power do not want to create one.
As Mussolini said, Fascism should be called Corporatism, because that's what it is.
And yeah, also, being half Scottish too...I know how that old tightness thing works, and maybe thats what im really afraid of.
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What do you think now??????????????????????????????? The only spin is in your head!
A British intelligence official has told...
I stopped right there. Dont know about anybody else. I should have stopped at CNN, but I was decievd my big stupid brain into thinking there would be real reportage at the end of it...
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I stopped right there. Dont know about anybody else. I should have stopped at CNN, but I was decievd my big stupid brain into thinking there would be real reportage at the end of it...
You just tell me what news agency or souce I need to find for you and I will.... let me know.
i'm lost as to why some on here think its for political gain to make up bomb threats and terror threats of this magnitude... it's the terror threat hanging over us that is swaying my decision to vote for Blair again... i dont think if we were in Iraq or Afghanistan that we would be a target for these religious retards.... so what political gain do they actually achieve by making people decide NOT to vote for them in the future
this was a real threat... to think otherwise is ostrich behaviour
I do not doubt that there was a low level "threat" foiled yesterday, but it was NOT this ultimate attack on par with September 11th that is being claimed by British/US goverment officials (and/or there is no way it was going to be a successful attack).
Because of what happened yesterday, today our world is once again changed (airport security, NSA wiretapping is going to get pushed aggressively etc...). Is this really necessary? Bush's poll numbers are going to skyrocket, which is not a coincidence.
To think there isn't politics involved, and over sensationalism in this, is "ostrich behaviour".
You just tell me what news agency or souce I need to find for you and I will.... let me know.
British intelligence officials also said there weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. THey lied. That lie has led to thousands of deaths. Therefore, anything that, or this Government has to say, cannot be taken seriously.
US Intelligence officials said there was a direct link between Al-Queda, 911, and Saddam Hussein. They lied. They also said they foiled an attack on the NJ/NY transit sytem. Just a bunch of kids in chat rooms.
CNN, is not valid. But any reports that state "Military insider," "Intelligence operative" etc as sources, do not count. Ever. Period.
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What do you think now??????????????????????????????? The only spin is in your head!
"Spin" doesnt' mean they created this entire plot like Hollywood script writers (the writers were too busy working on a more realistic plot, Snakes on a Plane).
"Spin" means this has been blown completely out of proportion to put terrorism, 9/11 etc..back in the spotlight because that is where Bush and republicans score best with the American people. Iraq, Israel, gas prices, global warming, hurricane threats are NOT on the front pages today.
I do not doubt that there was a low level "threat" foiled yesterday, but it was NOT this ultimate attack on par with September 11th that is being claimed by British/US goverment officials (and/or there is no way it was going to be a successful attack).
Because of what happened yesterday, today our world is once again changed (airport security, NSA wiretapping is going to get pushed aggressively etc...). Is this really necessary? Bush's poll numbers are going to skyrocket, which is not a coincidence.
To think there isn't politics involved, and over sensationalism in this, is "ostrich behaviour".
a 'low level' threat..???? where do you live? fucking Cuba... has someone censored your news or something
10 planes were targeted to be blown up over 5 US cities... this would have been more devastating than the 9/11 tragedy
These people had been tracked for nearly a year.. their phone lines tapped, their incomes traced and tracked... the authorities received a tip-off and apparently the green light to go was given from Pakistan, this made the police react earlier than intended!
this low level threat is costing UK taxpayers £10 million per day as a result... magic
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
"Spin" means this has been blown completely out of proportion to put terrorism, 9/11 etc..back in the spotlight because that is where Bush and republicans score best with the American people. Iraq, Israel, gas prices, global warming, hurricane threats are NOT on the front pages today.
this happened in the UK :rolleyes:
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Wow, there's just so much wrong with in this so short sentence.
PEarl Harbour could have been avoided. THe US insulted, repeatedly, the Japanese ambassador, and broke off all diplomatic ties. Yes, Pearl Harbour happened, but yes, half the administration wanted it to happen, wanted it to silence the isolationist movement and move America into war. There's more to it, but you really need to look things up for yourself.
Please research your history before spouting shit, sir.
Funniest friggin post of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't give a fuck what the police think they have the right to authorise, it is not in British Law, in any act of Parliament, that a private banking consortium can release details of suspected criminals to the world, less than 24 hours after arrests were made.
If this doesn't seem strange, no fuck that, illegal, immoral, not what 'freedom' and 'democracy' are all about, then I don't what is.
waahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Get your crying towel out and wipe your tears! GOOD that they released their names to expose these sick fucks!! And send a message to the rest of there little network that they know who they are and they're comin after them publicly...
I stopped right there. Dont know about anybody else. I should have stopped at CNN, but I was decievd my big stupid brain into thinking there would be real reportage at the end of it...
You stopped right there because everything is a fucking conspiracy in your head!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you'd like to interview the informant yourself or would he already be brainwashed and just spew blair propaganda by the time you got to the interview?
waahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Get your crying towel out and wipe your tears! GOOD that they released their names to expose these sick fucks!! And send a message to the rest of there little network that they know who they are and they're comin after them publicly...
Do you not believe that the principle of innocent until proven guilty is a cornerstone of a democratic, free society?
And mods...unconstructive posting, thread hijacking, unreasoned and almost racist description of individuals not actually charged with a crime.
"Sick f8cks" is not a phrase Iwould want young Pearl Jam fans to see and read. Doesn't set the right kind of image for the band, i dont think.
It is also, 'anonymous' internet board not withstanding, a slanderous statment, for which the Message Pit could be held legally responsible. Bloggers have been brought to trial, as have members of chat rooms for this type of behaviour.
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You stopped right there because everything is a fucking conspiracy in your head!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you'd like to interview the informant yourself or would he already be brainwashed and just spew blair propaganda by the time you got to the interview?
Mods?
Foul language, personal attack, unconstructive and not adding to the thread topic or ongoing debate.
See dunkman and mines previous exchanges, an example of a fair well reasoned debate.
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It is also, 'anonymous' internet board not withstanding, a slanderous statment, for which the Message Pit could be held legally responsible. Bloggers have been brought to trial, as have members of chat rooms for this type of behaviour.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm an attorney, and you know absolutely nothing about the law. Slanderous statement...wow.
Foul language, personal attack, unconstructive and not adding to the thread topic or ongoing debate.
See dunkman and mines previous exchanges, an example of a fair well reasoned debate.
You are starting to lose control of yourself! I think to the many on here, you have been exposed. It was no personal attack, and next time you play the foul language card, don't call me a suicidal dumbfuck in one of your posts that were deleted. how dare you!
I haven't gone through all the posts, but this is my way of thinking. I believe that the media is controlled by the gov't (or a couple very large corporations, which is right up there with the gov't, in my eyes). So why are people listening to the news and think that they're telling us the truth? Who knows what really went on w/ that terrorist attempt, who knows if it was real at all? I just happen to question the media, since they can't tell us what's really going on anyway. All of you should too. Don't believe everything you read, watch, and hear.
a 'low level' threat..???? where do you live? fucking Cuba... has someone censored your news or something
10 planes were targeted to be blown up over 5 US cities... this would have been more devastating than the 9/11 tragedy
These people had been tracked for nearly a year.. their phone lines tapped, their incomes traced and tracked... the authorities received a tip-off and apparently the green light to go was given from Pakistan, this made the police react earlier than intended!
this low level threat is costing UK taxpayers £10 million per day as a result... magic
Wipe that saliva off your face Pavlov's dog.
Let me ask you one thing and PLEASE answer it:
The US knew about this 1 week ago. IF this was really an attack that was going to be "more devastating than the 9/11 tragedy" why did Bush go on vacation to Crawford? And then to a political fund raiser in WI (where he gave his speech from yesterday).
The nation's defense was in the balance, an attack "bigger" than 9/11 was about to occur and he goes on vacation? Does that make any sense?
The US knew about this 1 week ago. IF this was really an attack that was going to be "more devastating than the 9/11 tragedy" why did Bush go on vacation to Crawford? And then to a political fund raiser in WI (where he gave his speech from yesterday).
The nation's defense was in the balance, an attack "bigger" than 9/11 was about to occur and he goes on vacation? Does that make any sense?
ANSWER... According to media outlets around the world, this was an ON GOING investigation and the bust was NOT supposed to happen yesterday. The only reason british authorities moved in was due to the fact that their cover was about to be blown and a possible LEAK was about to surface in the U.K.
It is also, 'anonymous' internet board not withstanding, a slanderous statment, for which the Message Pit could be held legally responsible. Bloggers have been brought to trial, as have members of chat rooms for this type of behaviour.
Ah, you are very wrong about this. Yes, "slander" and libel suits can be brought against people for what they say on chat boards (even if they say it anonymously) but you have to make the statements about a REAL person not another anonymous poster.
You are starting to lose control of yourself! I think to the many on here, you have been exposed. It was no personal attack, and next time you play the foul language card, don't call me a suicidal dumbfuck in one of your posts that were deleted. how dare you!
Sorry? Which post? When, where? I have never deleted or edited a post since I came here.
A suicidal what? Can you show me this post, thread. please?
And I dare as I please.
Are you adding to the discussion or atacking, stalking me?
Do you blindly agree with al your Goverment says about this alleged plot??
Do you think WMDS are still in Iraq?
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The US knew about this 1 week ago. IF this was really an attack that was going to be "more devastating than the 9/11 tragedy" why did Bush go on vacation to Crawford? And then to a political fund raiser in WI (where he gave his speech from yesterday).
The nation's defense was in the balance, an attack "bigger" than 9/11 was about to occur and he goes on vacation? Does that make any sense?
i'll answer it... both Bush and Blair knew of the immenent threat... both still went on vacation...
from the Guardian today
Patrick Wintour, political editor
Friday August 11, 2006
The Guardian
Downing Street admitted Tony Blair would not have left the country on Monday for his Caribbean holiday if he had known the police would need to swoop so quickly to disrupt a terrorist plot. He has known about it in general terms for months, and has spoken to President George Bush about it on a number of occasions. The two leaders discussed it in more detail on Sunday, during a conversation on a secure line in which the prime minister outlined what he knew of the British cell being monitored by the security services.
Downing Street officials said he had also mentioned the specific surveillance operation. Mr Blair warned the president that it showed there was a specific threat to US airlines and urged total secrecy, warning premature leaks would destroy the monitoring of the group.
From his holiday home, he spoke again to Mr Bush on Wednesday around 8pm UK time, again mentioning the security threat, but primarily discussing fresh plans to break the deadlock at the UN on the Middle East. Hours later police and security services were in contact with their US partners to say a specific threat was being acted upon
Police had acted early in a tip-off from Pakistani authorities and a key-word for "go now" had been intercepted...
that good enough?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Ah, you are very wrong about this. Yes, "slander" and libel suits can be brought against people for what they say on chat boards (even if they say it anonymously) but you have to make the statements about a REAL person not another anonymous poster.
But im a real boy !!
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Err, no offence, but i havent posted on that thread.
You are mistaken. Seriously.
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Err, no offence, but i havent posted on that thread.
You are mistaken. Seriously.
Whatever.. you know you did, and even complained about it being deleted. Please, just be a man about it and own up to it!
You haven't posted on that thread??? That's why you are quoted there? That's why the original text was deleted by the mods for name calling? Look, just stand by what you say!!
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I don't see how you can say "because it was within 1 mile of the houses of parliament... thats the law and she knew that." It is a new law, which has nothing to do with Terrorism!! The houses of fucking Parliament are the UK people's CONDUIT FOR DEMOCRACY. If they are not allowed to approach that building then democracy is dead!!
Sure there are examples, like the march last weekend, which, as you say, would be politically stupid to turn away. bUt what happens when the marches become more frequent, the wars drag on, more people come out against them. You think theyl allow peaceful protest then? When yet again they ignore the majority view and go to war, over and over again?
I only paint a picture of the laws that are in place, and yes, of course we are not under an Iron blanket, RIGHT NOW, but under those laws, IT CAN BE.
Tyrannies, oppressions, do not hapen overnight. They take time, they take the complicit culpability of the people to accept over a period of time.
What else are those specific laws for???
And, also, you are more concerned for the problems at home, then guess what, fucking A dude, so am I, that's the spirit!! So link the billions wasted in war, in anti-terror campaigns, to what that could provide for the homeless, for tackling poverty related crime...see how this is panning out?
Who is responsible for poverty, for the homeless? The same people that waste billions on wars, who turn over parts of the NHS and the education system to PRIVATE, mostly American companies, who hand over portions of the prison system, to PRIVATE companies. These things start small. Within the decade, the entire NHS system will be private, wil be run for profit at the expense of and detriment to the taxpayer. As will schools, and these academies they are building which are funded in part by private companies but are ran solely for the profit of them, that disavow science and Darwin and promote the teaching of Religion and Creationism over science!! This not in the USA, this is the UK. Look up the Vardy Academies, as an example. Very prevalent in the North East and Yorkshire and London.
We live in a corporate state where all major governmental decisions are not taken for the benefit of the nation, but for the Private companies of that nation.
Terrorism, under section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000, is
1) is the (i) "use" OR (ii) "threat" of action;
2) which (i) involves serious violence against any person, (ii) involves serious damage to property (iii) endangers life, (iv) creates a serious health / safety risk to a section of the public, or (v) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system;
3) (i) involves firearms or explosives, (ii) is designed to influence the government, or (iii) is designed to intimidate the public or a section of the public;
4) is for the purposes of advancing a (i) political, (ii) religious, (iii) or ideological cause.
See that last line, Paragraph 4) For the purposes of advancing a political or ideological cause.
Very, very broad sweep that.
i do see where you're coming from... its just that your view is a bit to pessimistic in all honesty.... we wont turn into a nazi fascist state.. we just wont...
look... if it'll shut you up i'll buy you a fucking pint... now Scots people dont normally buy anyone anything... all this debating and arguing are fine... but truth be told we'll both be rocking our heads off to the sweet sounds of Gossard and Co. in a few days... thats something we both agree on...
thats if i can get on my fucking plane... dirty terrorist bastards... i'm glad their names are out.... i cant take my ipod on the flight over now.... and thats a heinous crime... may they rot in jail
but by your earlier definition then the local Jehovah's Witness playgroup comes under that... as does the ideological beliefs of that Nudist nutter who strolls everywhere sans pants......... that last line would only be used if the material was deemed offensive enough to cause terror... what kinda political leaflets do you want to hand out... Green Party? which case you'll be fine
BNP.... well then thats incitement of hatred and racism... that should be stopped.... handing out Al Qaeda fanzines? quite rightly you'll be arrested under these laws.....
its a very very very broad sweep... but it has to be definable in a court of law... the leaflet has to be an implement of terror to enable you te be charged under the terrorism act.... so handing out "stop bombing Iraq" leaflets wont hold up in a court of law... as there is no incitement of hatred there.......... dont fear the worst man....
You think theyll stil be banning hand lugagge? Fucked if im going on a 30 minute flight with me bird and no headphones (sorry Bridge ;-) )
If i weren't tea-total, Id take the pint. J2O will do though ;-)
Seriously, yeah, maybe I am a bit too pessimistic about the future. Before the invasion of, and the lies surrounding, Iraq, I wasn't. What does that say?
I also know the UK won't become a nazi state, the people will, eventually, rise against it, I hope, but it's not to say those in power, or really, those with power behind those we think are in power do not want to create one.
As Mussolini said, Fascism should be called Corporatism, because that's what it is.
And yeah, also, being half Scottish too...I know how that old tightness thing works, and maybe thats what im really afraid of.
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/11/terror.plot/index.html
What do you think now??????????????????????????????? The only spin is in your head!
A British intelligence official has told...
I stopped right there. Dont know about anybody else. I should have stopped at CNN, but I was decievd my big stupid brain into thinking there would be real reportage at the end of it...
You just tell me what news agency or souce I need to find for you and I will.... let me know.
I do not doubt that there was a low level "threat" foiled yesterday, but it was NOT this ultimate attack on par with September 11th that is being claimed by British/US goverment officials (and/or there is no way it was going to be a successful attack).
Because of what happened yesterday, today our world is once again changed (airport security, NSA wiretapping is going to get pushed aggressively etc...). Is this really necessary? Bush's poll numbers are going to skyrocket, which is not a coincidence.
To think there isn't politics involved, and over sensationalism in this, is "ostrich behaviour".
British intelligence officials also said there weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. THey lied. That lie has led to thousands of deaths. Therefore, anything that, or this Government has to say, cannot be taken seriously.
US Intelligence officials said there was a direct link between Al-Queda, 911, and Saddam Hussein. They lied. They also said they foiled an attack on the NJ/NY transit sytem. Just a bunch of kids in chat rooms.
CNN, is not valid. But any reports that state "Military insider," "Intelligence operative" etc as sources, do not count. Ever. Period.
"Spin" doesnt' mean they created this entire plot like Hollywood script writers (the writers were too busy working on a more realistic plot, Snakes on a Plane).
"Spin" means this has been blown completely out of proportion to put terrorism, 9/11 etc..back in the spotlight because that is where Bush and republicans score best with the American people. Iraq, Israel, gas prices, global warming, hurricane threats are NOT on the front pages today.
a 'low level' threat..???? where do you live? fucking Cuba... has someone censored your news or something
10 planes were targeted to be blown up over 5 US cities... this would have been more devastating than the 9/11 tragedy
These people had been tracked for nearly a year.. their phone lines tapped, their incomes traced and tracked... the authorities received a tip-off and apparently the green light to go was given from Pakistan, this made the police react earlier than intended!
this low level threat is costing UK taxpayers £10 million per day as a result... magic
this happened in the UK :rolleyes:
Funniest friggin post of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
waahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Get your crying towel out and wipe your tears! GOOD that they released their names to expose these sick fucks!! And send a message to the rest of there little network that they know who they are and they're comin after them publicly...
You stopped right there because everything is a fucking conspiracy in your head!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you'd like to interview the informant yourself or would he already be brainwashed and just spew blair propaganda by the time you got to the interview?
Do you not believe that the principle of innocent until proven guilty is a cornerstone of a democratic, free society?
And mods...unconstructive posting, thread hijacking, unreasoned and almost racist description of individuals not actually charged with a crime.
"Sick f8cks" is not a phrase Iwould want young Pearl Jam fans to see and read. Doesn't set the right kind of image for the band, i dont think.
It is also, 'anonymous' internet board not withstanding, a slanderous statment, for which the Message Pit could be held legally responsible. Bloggers have been brought to trial, as have members of chat rooms for this type of behaviour.
Mods?
Foul language, personal attack, unconstructive and not adding to the thread topic or ongoing debate.
See dunkman and mines previous exchanges, an example of a fair well reasoned debate.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm an attorney, and you know absolutely nothing about the law. Slanderous statement...wow.
You are starting to lose control of yourself! I think to the many on here, you have been exposed. It was no personal attack, and next time you play the foul language card, don't call me a suicidal dumbfuck in one of your posts that were deleted. how dare you!
Wipe that saliva off your face Pavlov's dog.
Let me ask you one thing and PLEASE answer it:
The US knew about this 1 week ago. IF this was really an attack that was going to be "more devastating than the 9/11 tragedy" why did Bush go on vacation to Crawford? And then to a political fund raiser in WI (where he gave his speech from yesterday).
The nation's defense was in the balance, an attack "bigger" than 9/11 was about to occur and he goes on vacation? Does that make any sense?
ANSWER... According to media outlets around the world, this was an ON GOING investigation and the bust was NOT supposed to happen yesterday. The only reason british authorities moved in was due to the fact that their cover was about to be blown and a possible LEAK was about to surface in the U.K.
Ah, you are very wrong about this. Yes, "slander" and libel suits can be brought against people for what they say on chat boards (even if they say it anonymously) but you have to make the statements about a REAL person not another anonymous poster.
Sorry? Which post? When, where? I have never deleted or edited a post since I came here.
A suicidal what? Can you show me this post, thread. please?
And I dare as I please.
Are you adding to the discussion or atacking, stalking me?
Do you blindly agree with al your Goverment says about this alleged plot??
Do you think WMDS are still in Iraq?
i'll answer it... both Bush and Blair knew of the immenent threat... both still went on vacation...
from the Guardian today
Patrick Wintour, political editor
Friday August 11, 2006
The Guardian
Downing Street admitted Tony Blair would not have left the country on Monday for his Caribbean holiday if he had known the police would need to swoop so quickly to disrupt a terrorist plot. He has known about it in general terms for months, and has spoken to President George Bush about it on a number of occasions. The two leaders discussed it in more detail on Sunday, during a conversation on a secure line in which the prime minister outlined what he knew of the British cell being monitored by the security services.
Downing Street officials said he had also mentioned the specific surveillance operation. Mr Blair warned the president that it showed there was a specific threat to US airlines and urged total secrecy, warning premature leaks would destroy the monitoring of the group.
From his holiday home, he spoke again to Mr Bush on Wednesday around 8pm UK time, again mentioning the security threat, but primarily discussing fresh plans to break the deadlock at the UN on the Middle East. Hours later police and security services were in contact with their US partners to say a specific threat was being acted upon
Police had acted early in a tip-off from Pakistani authorities and a key-word for "go now" had been intercepted...
that good enough?
But im a real boy !!
I'll go find it, hang on. it was deleted, but part is still there I believe since someone quoted you. brb..
here is a copy of your post that was deleted, directed by you towards me... bottom of page....that was the one that was deleted...
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=210947
Err, no offence, but i havent posted on that thread.
You are mistaken. Seriously.
Whatever.. you know you did, and even complained about it being deleted. Please, just be a man about it and own up to it!
You haven't posted on that thread??? That's why you are quoted there? That's why the original text was deleted by the mods for name calling? Look, just stand by what you say!!