i was told i was not welcome

pjfan31

macgyver06 wrote:

note to self: dumbasses arent just a thing in the U.S.

haha, there are a few in australia, just a few.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

If you ever read Moll Flanders by Daniel Defoe, you'll see that the British penal system took to shipping the lowest elements of its petty criminal classes out to Virginia. You got a lot of the shit from over here, but unfortunately we've still got some left.

Get out of town... are you serious? I did not know that (if you're serious )

Coming back to life

Welsh should be made the national language in England.

Restless Soul

darkcrow wrote:

the other day some bitch said that i and people like me should be kicked out of the country (britain) as we were not really "british". i said that i was. i have lived here all my lfie. she said i was not "born and bred" to which i replied i was... i was born in london and have lived here all my life...

she then went on to say that immigrants steal all the jobs and take money away from the country..
of course i argued immigrants are actually net contributor to the uk giving back billions not only in taxes but also in consumer power.
she couldnt develop a proper coherant argument as to why i should not be allowed to live in my country...

oh she also tried to suggest that just because in my house my family dont just speak english but also our mother tounge (punjabi) that we were being offensive to britain on not respecting the country...

it just amazes me how much ignorance is around in this day and age, and how much hate.

This song came up on my shuffle today - made me think of your post

Bloc Party - England Lyrics

The kids are restless
They just need something to do
From Ilford to Ladywell
The streets have become cruel

He said
"I will not listen and I won't be told
England is mine, I will take what I want"
He said
"I will not listen and I won't be told
We will roam these satanic mills"

They stood on his fingers
Kicked the back of his head like a ball
They filmed the beating
On their mobile phones

She said
"I will not listen and I won’t be told
England is mine, I will take what I want"
She said
"I will not listen and I won’t be told
We will make up our own rules"

I'm waiting for something cruel
I'm just waiting for something cruel

I'm waiting for something cruel to happen

onelongsong

the uk and the us are not the only countries that want to preserve their heritage. for example; the germans still perform rituals their people did hundreds of years ago.
also; it makes sense to speak the language of the country you're in. i'm referring to the spanish speaking in the us. first; it's discrimination. if i have to press 1 for english; 2 for spanish; i should be able to press 3 for polish; my native language. why are the hispanics privileged in the us?

i do think she was wrong. but i also understand a person wanting to preserve their country's heritage. if the us had a white heritage month i'd feel more accepting of immigrants.

Collin

onelongsong wrote:

the uk and the us are not the only countries that want to preserve their heritage. for example; the germans still perform rituals their people did hundreds of years ago.
also; it makes sense to speak the language of the country you're in. i'm referring to the spanish speaking in the us. first; it's discrimination. if i have to press 1 for english; 2 for spanish; i should be able to press 3 for polish; my native language. why are the hispanics privileged in the us?

i do think she was wrong. but i also understand a person wanting to preserve their country's heritage. if the us had a white heritage month i'd feel more accepting of immigrants.

Are you serious?

MattCameronKicksButt

darkcrow wrote:

she then went on to say that immigrants steal all the jobs and take money away from the country..


oh she also tried to suggest that just because in my house my family dont just speak english but also our mother tounge (punjabi) that we were being offensive to britain on not respecting the country...

I think these are just excuses for the xenophobic to make themselves feel better for not liking what is different to them. Another example of someone who has been brainwashed by society. I'm afraid to say, I know a lot of people who say things like that.

onelongsong

Collin wrote:

Are you serious?

i'm proud of my polish heritage and the contributions my family has made to this country (us). there are many white people who have made great contributions to this country and they too should be recognized.

Restless Soul

onelongsong wrote:

i'm proud of my polish heritage and the contributions my family has made to this country (us). there are many white people who have made great contributions to this country and they too should be recognized.

What are you talking about Allan?

I don't know about the states but in the UK there has been a big influx of polish people over the past few years and growing. However, I've been reading on a racist site about english people's attitudes to the poles (the racist english) and believe me, however long you lived here and whatever you believe you have contributed to the country, it will never be recognised by the racists. They don't even consider the poles "white" like themselves.

catefrances

i don't know why you just don't do what they did here. kill all the natives and take over the land as if it were your birthright.

onelongsong

Restless Soul wrote:

What are you talking about Allan?

I don't know about the states but in the UK there has been a big influx of polish people over the past few years and growing. However, I've been reading on a racist site about english people's attitudes to the poles (the racist english) and believe me, however long you lived here and whatever you believe you have contributed to the country, it will never be recognised by the racists. They don't even consider the poles "white" like themselves.

wow; i never knew that. i hope i didn't sound racist. if i did it was the morphine.
what i meant was that the american culture is being lost. with nothing more than a dream and a vision; british people broke from the crown and invited everyone to come and share this new land. they created a new freedom not seen before and wanted everyone to share the wealth. the true story of how we settled westward to the opposite coast is facinating. i say true story because the history books only tell what people of the time wanted to hear. the american history 90% of the people know is fiction.
here in the states we have black history month and hispanic something or other; and on and on. i'm not against that; IF we were recognised.
when people talk about americans; i know they're not talking about all americans. they're talking about 70% of the population. things people say about americans don't apply to the people i'm exposed to. i'm alive because close to 2000 people donated blood when people found out i was dying from internal bleeding. i know that happens other places but it's an example of how a community takes care of eachother. and it's not just here. i drove 6 hours and instantly became part of another community and now i'm moving there.
it's hard to explain. let me give it a think and i'll get back to you.

Restless Soul

catefrances wrote:

i don't know why you just don't do what they did here. kill all the natives and take over the land as if it were your birthright.

LOL, I guess that's the difference between us and them then!

Restless Soul

onelongsong wrote:

wow; i never knew that. i hope i didn't sound racist. if i did it was the morphine.
what i meant was that the american culture is being lost. with nothing more than a dream and a vision; british people broke from the crown and invited everyone to come and share this new land. they created a new freedom not seen before and wanted everyone to share the wealth. the true story of how we settled westward to the opposite coast is facinating. i say true story because the history books only tell what people of the time wanted to hear. the american history 90% of the people know is fiction.
here in the states we have black history month and hispanic something or other; and on and on. i'm not against that; IF we were recognised.
when people talk about americans; i know they're not talking about all americans. they're talking about 70% of the population. things people say about americans don't apply to the people i'm exposed to. i'm alive because close to 2000 people donated blood when people found out i was dying from internal bleeding. i know that happens other places but it's an example of how a community takes care of eachother. and it's not just here. i drove 6 hours and instantly became part of another community and now i'm moving there.
it's hard to explain. let me give it a think and i'll get back to you.

That's ok, I know you weren't being racist . I guess everyone likes to be appreciated. I mean we don't have an asian/indian history month but I'm not going to start shouting for it.

We do have black history month which I think is a good thing because otherwise black children don't get to learn their history. After all the schools don't include it in their curriculums, unlike white history. In a way white history is seen as factual and correct (regardless of whether it is) and black history is seen as irrelevant or not important enough, or maybe too contradictory to the white version to be comfortable enough for white teachers to teach to white and non-white kids.

You could say that every month is white history month whereas blacks and hispanics only get a month each or so.

Jeanie

Restless Soul wrote:

That's ok, I know you weren't being racist . I guess everyone likes to be appreciated. I mean we don't have an asian/indian history month but I'm not going to start shouting for it.

We do have black history month which I think is a good thing because otherwise black children don't get to learn their history. After all the schools don't include it in their curriculums, unlike white history. In a way white history is seen as factual and correct (regardless of whether it is) and black history is seen as irrelevant or not important enough, or maybe too contradictory to the white version to be comfortable enough for white teachers to teach to white and non-white kids.

You could say that every month is white history month whereas blacks and hispanics only get a month each or so.

Actually restless I think history has been and is highly subjective regardless. We may have white history as it is told by the victors taught in schools all the time but I have to say I don't think it's even close to the truth a lot of the time. I guess I'm thinking about how I'm sitting here all white and pasty skinned in a sunburnt country knowing that my great grandfather spoke another language entirely to me (gaelic), had a completely different culture and I can't find anyone to teach it to me here because that culture has been "bred" out of me. Actually I'd even go so far as to say that I've been encouraged by the establishment in this country to completely ignore my Irish heritage. I couldn't believe when I was in England and Wales how I was told off by a few people for helping a few Irish lads with some car troubles. Several "english" sounding/looking people actually spoke about the Irish the way that I've heard some people here speak about the Aborigines. Like they were something they'd stepped in! I have friends who are second and third generation greek, italian, indian, german, vietnamese and whole bunch of other nationalities and whilst they still retain some of the things about their heritage and culture, we are all Australian now and they too are beginning to lose that cultural connection with their forefathers. For them, they don't all "fit" the "look" of our white Australia stereotype but they're as Aussie as I am but people would probably be more likely to ask them what their heritage was. Nobody bothers to ask me. Tis just assumed. Anyway, just musing. It's an interesting thing. One thing I do remember growing up in a poorer suburb in Melbourne was how we as "skips" (Aussies) were looked down at as less by the Greek, Italian, Turkish and Lebanese kids I went to school with. I was regularly told, "You are a skip, you are nothing! You have no culture!" I realize that racisim does exist in this world and much of the time it based on "differences" but I do think that it has a lot more to do with socio economics. Anyway just thinking "aloud" I guess.

Collin

onelongsong wrote:

i'm proud of my polish heritage and the contributions my family has made to this country (us). there are many white people who have made great contributions to this country and they too should be recognized.

if the us had a white heritage month i'd feel more accepting of immigrants.

You think the white people aren't being recognized? Isn't the reason why they have black heritage months or whatever because it has always been about white history, white heritage etc.?

it makes sense to speak the language of the country you're in. i'm referring to the spanish speaking in the us. first; it's discrimination. if i have to press 1 for english; 2 for spanish; i should be able to press 3 for polish; my native language. why are the hispanics privileged in the us?

There are simply more people who speak Spanish in the US. It's a fairly simple concept, do you seriously see it as discrimination? Do you even speak Polish?

English is the de facto national language of the US, not 'de jure'.

Collin

Darkcrow, that's awful what happened to you. I hope you don't have to deal with this ignorance too often. It's so sad.

catefrances

Jeanie wrote:

Actually restless I think history has been and is highly subjective regardless. We may have white history as it is told by the victors taught in schools all the time but I have to say I don't think it's even close to the truth a lot of the time. I guess I'm thinking about how I'm sitting here all white and pasty skinned in a sunburnt country knowing that my great grandfather spoke another language entirely to me (gaelic), had a completely different culture and I can't find anyone to teach it to me here because that culture has been "bred" out of me. Actually I'd even go so far as to say that I've been encouraged by the establishment in this country to completely ignore my Irish heritage. I couldn't believe when I was in England and Wales how I was told off by a few people for helping a few Irish lads with some car troubles. Several "english" sounding/looking people actually spoke about the Irish the way that I've heard some people here speak about the Aborigines. Like they were something they'd stepped in! I have friends who are second and third generation greek, italian, indian, german, vietnamese and whole bunch of other nationalities and whilst they still retain some of the things about their heritage and culture, we are all Australian now and they too are beginning to lose that cultural connection with their forefathers. For them, they don't all "fit" the "look" of our white Australia stereotype but they're as Aussie as I am but people would probably be more likely to ask them what their heritage was. Nobody bothers to ask me. Tis just assumed. Anyway, just musing. It's an interesting thing. One thing I do remember growing up in a poorer suburb in Melbourne was how we as "skips" (Aussies) were looked down at as less by the Greek, Italian, Turkish and Lebanese kids I went to school with. I was regularly told, "You are a skip, you are nothing! You have no culture!" I realize that racisim does exist in this world and much of the time it based on "differences" but I do think that it has a lot more to do with socio economics. Anyway just thinking "aloud" I guess.

oh totally jeanie. there were no two more discriminated groups in australian history than the indigenous peoples and the irish immigrants(free and transported). they were not even allowed to practice their faith as catholicism was seen as an aberration somehow. even my atheist heart is amused by the fact that the largest chuch in sydney is st mary's catholic catehdral. irish were just ill-mannered, uncouth, drunken, fighting, criminal papist procreating heathens. :rolleyes:

Pegasus

onelongsong wrote:

the uk and the us are not the only countries that want to preserve their heritage. for example; the germans still perform rituals their people did hundreds of years ago.
also; it makes sense to speak the language of the country you're in. i'm referring to the spanish speaking in the us. first; it's discrimination. if i have to press 1 for english; 2 for spanish; i should be able to press 3 for polish; my native language. why are the hispanics privileged in the us?

i do think she was wrong. but i also understand a person wanting to preserve their country's heritage. if the us had a white heritage month i'd feel more accepting of immigrants.

I completely support the fact people immigrating to a country should do their best to learn the native language (and I can't stand people insisting in hanging out with their 'home' community, especially when it's people that had a choice in moving, not talking about refugees!..the Westerners are just as bad when they go overseas :rolleyes: )
I lived for 20 months in Oz and was doing door to door there.
shocking to me (a non-english native speaker) to see Italians or Greeks who'd been there 20-30 years and could not string a phrase in English!
But I felt in love with the Russians when I bumped into a 60-years-old woman that was going to school everyday to learn English ..most of the Russians there were making the effort, and it's a much harder transition than from Italian!

BUT, what language you speak at home, hell whatever you do in your own home, is your damn fucking business!
If (hopefully when) I get kids, I'll speak French to them, even if English will be the main home language, so they can have another language without even having to learn it (and can communicate easily with my family back home)..hell, if I've got the money for a nanny or someone to help, I'll try to find someone Spanish-speaking so they can learn that too!

he still stands

what scares me isn't the ignorance of this person... but the hate that fills her heart.

sj.brodie

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

http://www.chavscum.co.uk/

Students with nothing better to do. I've seen sites like this before. They are beyond lame.