i was told i was not welcome

FrankBauer

mammasan wrote:

Wow I didn't realize that the UK had inbred redneck white trash. I thought that was strickly an American phenomena.

i actually heard that racism is worse in europe than anywhere else. i remember during the last olympics and world cup, a couple of black sports reporters from Around the Horn (JA Adande, Kevin Blackistone) and PTI (Wilbon) talked about how they 'feared for their lives' whenever they had to go abroad and cover sports stories in europe. very surprised to hear that. can any Europeans confirm what the deal is?

darkcrow

FrankBauer wrote:

i actually heard that racism is worse in europe than anywhere else. i remember during the last olympics and world cup, a couple of black sports reporters from Around the Horn (JA Adande, Kevin Blackistone) and PTI (Wilbon) talked about how they 'feared for their lives' whenever they had to go abroad and cover sports stories in europe. very surprised to hear that. can any Europeans confirm what the deal is?

apparently there are parts of germany that litterally no go areas for non-whites

bootlegger10

mammasan wrote:

Wow I didn't realize that the UK had inbred redneck white trash. I thought that was strickly an American phenomena.

What's worse? These "rednecks" who speak their minds, or the liberals who pretend not to be racists (even though they are the worst kind)? Hey Seattle, oh those of open minds, why don't you build a NASCAR track? Oh yeah, you don't want "those kind of people" coming to your area. That's right, fucking hypocrites. These people don't believe in abortion, love their country, but didn't have the money that these fucking east/west coast liberals have, so they are rednecks. At least they are real.

redrock

FrankBauer wrote:

i actually heard that racism is worse in europe than anywhere else. i remember during the last olympics and world cup, a couple of black sports reporters from Around the Horn (JA Adande, Kevin Blackistone) and PTI (Wilbon) talked about how they 'feared for their lives' whenever they had to go abroad and cover sports stories in europe. very surprised to hear that. can any Europeans confirm what the deal is?

Let's not exagerate. Having lived both in the US and Europe (various countries), I would say that racism is more prevalent in the US, though some european countries (or parts of) aren't far behind.

Darkcrow... I betcha it was the blue streak in your hair that made her say that.. she thought you were an alien probably! Joke apart, comments like that are totally unacceptable, especially towards asians in this country. I work in an environment with LOTS of foreigners, recently arrived immigrants or not and from lots of different countries. Conversations there are quite funny sometimes, because everyone has trouble understanding the other.. but nothing stops the people from having an good natter.

What can you say about people like this person... just plain ignorant. Probably feeling threatened by 'those' people because they fare a lot better than her in this country, due to hard work and determination. She probably doesn't know what hard work means. One can only ignore comments like that, but it's hard and it does hurt.

We love you Darkcrow!!!!

darkcrow

thanks rita. as long as i have the love of the jamily i'll be fine lol. unfortunatly i have no more blue. im back to black lol

mammasan

bootlegger10 wrote:

What's worse? These "rednecks" who speak their minds, or the liberals who pretend not to be racists (even though they are the worst kind)? Hey Seattle, oh those of open minds, why don't you build a NASCAR track? Oh yeah, you don't want "those kind of people" coming to your area. That's right, fucking hypocrites. These people don't believe in abortion, love their country, but didn't have the money that these fucking east/west coast liberals have, so they are rednecks. At least they are real.

I would have to go with the rednecks. The liberal elitest from the Northeast are not racist we just believe we are wealthier and smarter which just coincidentally happens to be true.

gue_barium

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

If you ever read Moll Flanders by Daniel Defoe, you'll see that the British penal system took to shipping the lowest elements of its petty criminal classes out to Virginia. You got a lot of the shit from over here, but unfortunately we've still got some left.

Ahhh, Barroom's identity is finally coming through.

FrankBauer

redrock wrote:

Let's not exagerate. Having lived both in the US and Europe (various countries), I would say that racism is more prevalent in the US, though some european countries (or parts of) aren't far behind.

this wasn't an exaggeration. wilbon literally said he was praying that nothing happens to adande and bunch of other black reporters that were heading abroad to cover the olympics or world cup. black athletes in europe are not as prominant nor as celebrated as they are here in the states. i agree with you that its regional, certain areas are actually more unsafe than others. where did you live in europe? are you black?

racism exists everywhere and its fairly ignorant to assume it only happens in southern US. i dont know why wilbon and those guys would mention it if they didn't experience threats and animosity in europe that wasnt found in the states or other places. they certainly didn't express their fear abroad to generate ratings for their show.

flywallyfly

bootlegger10 wrote:

What's worse? These "rednecks" who speak their minds, or the liberals who pretend not to be racists (even though they are the worst kind)? Hey Seattle, oh those of open minds, why don't you build a NASCAR track? Oh yeah, you don't want "those kind of people" coming to your area. That's right, fucking hypocrites. These people don't believe in abortion, love their country, but didn't have the money that these fucking east/west coast liberals have, so they are rednecks. At least they are real.

Hehehe. I just spit out some beer on this one ! They are real, alright...real dumbfucks.

Scubascott

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

If you ever read Moll Flanders by Daniel Defoe, you'll see that the British penal system took to shipping the lowest elements of its petty criminal classes out to Virginia. You got a lot of the shit from over here, but unfortunately we've still got some left.

Hey! We got some of your shit too! Actually come to think of it. . . I think I'm descended from that shit, and I'm pretty damn happy to be living in Australia rather than in the shitty cold miserable UK surrounded by poms (no offense). Yay for Britain's transportation policies!

gue_barium

bootlegger10 wrote:

What's worse? These "rednecks" who speak their minds, or the liberals who pretend not to be racists (even though they are the worst kind)? Hey Seattle, oh those of open minds, why don't you build a NASCAR track? Oh yeah, you don't want "those kind of people" coming to your area. That's right, fucking hypocrites. These people don't believe in abortion, love their country, but didn't have the money that these fucking east/west coast liberals have, so they are rednecks. At least they are real.

This is the strangest post I have ever read here.

prism

gue_barium wrote:

This is the strangest post I have ever read here.

how is it that you've never noticed that Seattle is filled with liberal racist?

(lol...I couldn't even type that without cracking up)

elmer

not sure if you'd align your standard chav with racism especially though I suppose they ain't all that dissimilar to rednecks(or what I've heard of them). just ignorance & following. Reckon theres more racial tension in the states than over here though.

Pegasus

darkcrow wrote:

the other day some bitch said that i and people like me should be kicked out of the country (britain) as we were not really "british". i said that i was. i have lived here all my lfie. she said i was not "born and bred" to which i replied i was... i was born in london and have lived here all my life...

she then went on to say that immigrants steal all the jobs and take money away from the country..
of course i argued immigrants are actually net contributor to the uk giving back billions not only in taxes but also in consumer power.
she couldnt develop a proper coherant argument as to why i should not be allowed to live in my country...

oh she also tried to suggest that just because in my house my family dont just speak english but also our mother tounge (punjabi) that we were being offensive to britain on not respecting the country...

it just amazes me how much ignorance is around in this day and age, and how much hate.

Sun-reading Chav! (that's actually the same thing innit?).
did you ask her if she was on benefit or actually contributed to her dear country anything beside expanding the stupid gene-pool?
there's always an idiot, I had comments couple of time (because of my accent they prob thought I was Eastern European, the new 'immigrant stealing our jobs' figure, though I'm French)

thankfully, there's not that many in London, it's one of the most, if not the most truly multi-cultural city in the world! that's why I love living here.

Restless Soul

darkcrow wrote:

the other day some bitch said that i and people like me should be kicked out of the country (britain) as we were not really "british". i said that i was. i have lived here all my lfie. she said i was not "born and bred" to which i replied i was... i was born in london and have lived here all my life...

she then went on to say that immigrants steal all the jobs and take money away from the country..
of course i argued immigrants are actually net contributor to the uk giving back billions not only in taxes but also in consumer power.
she couldnt develop a proper coherant argument as to why i should not be allowed to live in my country...

oh she also tried to suggest that just because in my house my family dont just speak english but also our mother tounge (punjabi) that we were being offensive to britain on not respecting the country...

it just amazes me how much ignorance is around in this day and age, and how much hate.

I'm Indian and see the same sort of attitude around sometimes. It's just pure ignorance if she thinks speaking your own tongue at home is offensive to britain. How stupid. So if she immigrated to spain with her family will she start speaking spanish to her own family because otherwise it would be rude to the spaniards? Will she heck! The british are supposed to be the worst for learning other languages!

I've lived in Britain all my life and I refuse to be made to feel guilty for living in *their* country because the way I see it Britain OWES us Indians because of what they did to my parent's country for over 300 years. It is my subjective opinion that it's Karma - what goes around comes around. And we don't even do anything that bad. My dad's worked and paid taxes to the british govt for over 30 years and me and my sister have too. This country would not be as developed nor as rich as it became if they hadn't gone out and stripped countries like India of their wealth in the first place. They ruled and slaughtered Indians like nobody's business (and africans too actually along with other european countries).

There's a lot of new arrivals in london now, the eastern Europeans, and I don't see them getting the same attitude from the indigenous brits - maybe because they are largely white? It does piss me off that Britain doesn't "owe" them anything yet they don't get the crap we get sometimes. It's always about colour in the end.

Heineken Helen

FrankBauer wrote:

i actually heard that racism is worse in europe than anywhere else. i remember during the last olympics and world cup, a couple of black sports reporters from Around the Horn (JA Adande, Kevin Blackistone) and PTI (Wilbon) talked about how they 'feared for their lives' whenever they had to go abroad and cover sports stories in europe. very surprised to hear that. can any Europeans confirm what the deal is?

naziism is still very much alive and well in quite a few countries... but hey, we don't talk about it so it can't exist, right? :rolleyes:

Heineken Helen

bootlegger10 wrote:

What's worse? These "rednecks" who speak their minds, or the liberals who pretend not to be racists (even though they are the worst kind)? Hey Seattle, oh those of open minds, why don't you build a NASCAR track? Oh yeah, you don't want "those kind of people" coming to your area. That's right, fucking hypocrites. These people don't believe in abortion, love their country, but didn't have the money that these fucking east/west coast liberals have, so they are rednecks. At least they are real.

agree with the 'one of the strangest posts I have ever read' comment

Heineken Helen

darkcrow wrote:

thanks rita. as long as i have the love of the jamily i'll be fine lol. unfortunatly i have no more blue. im back to black lol

well I'm very sorry to hear about the shit you had to go through :(

Heineken Helen

FrankBauer wrote:

this wasn't an exaggeration. wilbon literally said he was praying that nothing happens to adande and bunch of other black reporters that were heading abroad to cover the olympics or world cup. black athletes in europe are not as prominant nor as celebrated as they are here in the states. i agree with you that its regional, certain areas are actually more unsafe than others. where did you live in europe? are you black?

racism exists everywhere and its fairly ignorant to assume it only happens in southern US. i dont know why wilbon and those guys would mention it if they didn't experience threats and animosity in europe that wasnt found in the states or other places. they certainly didn't express their fear abroad to generate ratings for their show.

she never said it doesn't exist.

Anyone watch Ross Kemp's 'gangs' programme? There are certain groups who infiltrate sporting events (mainly soccer but they're not fussy) just to cause trouble. There will be a small minority at some games in certain countries for that reason alone. I don't think anyone has said it's confined to Southern US... it's just as well known for it as these countries that I speak of.

Heineken Helen

Restless Soul wrote:

I'm Indian and see the same sort of attitude around sometimes. It's just pure ignorance if she thinks speaking your own tongue at home is offensive to britain. How stupid. So if she immigrated to spain with her family will she start speaking spanish to her own family because otherwise it would be rude to the spaniards? Will she heck! The british are supposed to be the worst for learning other languages!

Yep I love that irony about the languages

Restless Soul wrote:

There's a lot of new arrivals in london now, the eastern Europeans, and I don't see them getting the same attitude from the indigenous brits - maybe because they are largely white? It does piss me off that Britain doesn't "owe" them anything yet they don't get the crap we get sometimes. It's always about colour in the end.

I'm sure you'll find that Eastern Europeans ARE just as looked down upon as any other immigrant, what kinda jobs do they generally get in Britain? I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that it's similar to here where they get the shittiest most exploitable jobs available. Until recently the Irish got shit over there (and our history relating to Britain is pretty similar) so it's definitely not a colour thing... many Irish in Britain still DO get shit. Also, nobody likes to be told 'you owe us'. There could be something to be said about Irish, Indian whatever nationality who have been fucked up by the Brits moving over there. There WILL be a certain level of bitterness in your attitude. Obviously I'm not saying you were to blame BUT Eastern Europeans won't go there thinking the Brits owe them. I'm definitely not blaming us BUT the thing is in general they don't teach in schools in Britain WHY certain other countries feel about them the way they do. So kids just see immigrants coming in with attitude and thinking they're entitled to stuff and think they're stealing from them. It's surprising how many times I've heard the question 'what exactly did the English do to the Irish?' :rolleyes: