you do realize the terrorists weren't from Iraq right?
there were no weapons of mass destruction???
the crap the administration used to persuade guilible americans were trumped up?
Iraq was done for one reason....money and oil....thats it...plain and simple...and your christian president is responsible for ending the lives of 100's of thousands of humans.....oh oh..and a couple christians.
dude, do you watch john stewart to get yr hard news?
dude, do you watch john stewart to get yr hard news?
you are soooooooooo far off base...
yeah, he went too far with the money and oil nonsense, but i'd like to see you answer his first question. what's the connection between iraq and 9/11? where are the wmd's?
i don't think religious affiliation should be part of any political decision.
McCain is seeking that 29% that still support Bush. They are tenacious and cling onto things, regardless of what truths are revealed. If you can capture that 29%... all you have to do is win 22% of the rest of the field.
Just say you intend to usher in the Biblical Prophecy by leveling the Temple Of The Rock in Jeruselem, so the goddamn Jews will get busy rebuilding their Temple and you've got a lock on the Bush "We're Going To Heaven" crowd.
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Just don't freak out the other 22% you need to get... i would suggest killing illegal immigrants at the border and/or abolishing abortion... that should get you the percentage you will need.
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Hail, Hail!!!
McCain is seeking that 29% that still support Bush. They are tenacious and cling onto things, regardless of what truths are revealed. If you can capture that 29%... all you have to do is win 22% of the rest of the field.
Just say you intend to usher in the Biblical Prophecy by leveling the Temple Of The Rock in Jeruselem, so the goddamn Jews will get busy rebuilding their Temple and you've got a lock on the Bush "We're Going To Heaven" crowd.
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Just don't freak out the other 22% you need to get... i would suggest killing illegal immigrants at the border and/or abolishing abortion... that should get you the percentage you will need.
eh, the news stations wil run with those and you might get some blowback. i'd pick revamping the department of education to ensure noone hears the word evolution again and the bible is the only standard science text from here on out. nobody knows or cares what's going on in schools anymore anyway.
eh, the news stations wil run with those and you might get some blowback. i'd pick revamping the department of education to ensure noone hears the word evolution again and the bible is the only standard science text from here on out. nobody knows or cares what's going on in schools anymore anyway.
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Yeah... screw the schools... no one gives a shit about education... Biblical Prophecy, getting Jesus to bring His ass back down here to save us already... that's the ticket to the 29%... toss in the return of prayer in schools and Ten Commandments in Courthouses and all that crap.
Get the 11% of the people who want to errect the 110 foot high electrified fence with Machine Gun Towers and vicious guard dogs on tethers... and 11% of the ones who support the guy who kills an abortion doctor with a sniper's rifle in 'God's War Against Murderers of Babies' and **BANG**... 51% without ever mentioning that pesky thing going on over there in Iraq.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I don't see anything wrong with what McCain said. He was asked a question and he gave an answer.
If we want a truly liberal (in the classical sense) society with a plurality of thought and debate then don't get cheesed when you hear an opinion and imply they are "crazy" or "radical."
So this life is sacrifice...
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I don't see anything wrong with what McCain said. He was asked a question and he gave an answer.
If we want a truly liberal (in the classical sense) society with a plurality of thought and debate then don't get cheesed when you hear an opinion and imply they are "crazy" or "radical."
Oh good, Darth, my fellow Minnesotan, has arrived.
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Yeah... screw the schools... no one gives a shit about education... Biblical Prophecy, getting Jesus to bring His ass back down here to save us already... that's the ticket to the 29%... toss in the return of prayer in schools and Ten Commandments in Courthouses and all that crap.
Get the 11% of the people who want to errect the 110 foot high electrified fence with Machine Gun Towers and vicious guard dogs on tethers... and 11% of the ones who support the guy who kills an abortion doctor with a sniper's rifle in 'God's War Against Murderers of Babies' and **BANG**... 51% without ever mentioning that pesky thing going on over there in Iraq.
WASHINGTON -- Several Jewish organizations criticized John McCain on Monday after the Republican candidate said he would prefer a Christian president over someone of a different faith.
In an interview with Beliefnet, a multi-denominational Web site that covers religion and spirituality, the White House hopeful was asked if a Muslim candidate could be a good president.
"I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles ... personally, I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith," McCain said. "But that doesn't mean that I'm sure that someone who is Muslim would not make a good president."
Later, McCain said, "I would vote for a Muslim if he or she was the candidate best able to lead the country and defend our political values." He added that "the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation."
The American Jewish Committee, an international think tank and advocacy organization based in New York, issued a statement criticizing the Arizona senator, arguing that McCain should know that the United States is a democratic society without a religious test for public office.
"To argue that America is a Christian nation, or that persons of a particular faith should by reason of their faith not seek high office, puts the very character of our country at stake," Jeffrey Sinensky, the group's general counsel, said Monday in a statement.
A partisan organization, the National Jewish Democratic Council, also called McCain's comments repugnant.
Amid the criticism, Democrat Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, an Orthodox Jew, came to the defense of his Senate colleague.
"I have known John McCain very well for many years and I know that he does not have a bigoted bone in his body. I know that he is fair and just to all Americans regardless of their faith," Lieberman said.
Over the past few days, McCain has sought to clarify his remarks.
While campaigning in New Hampshire on Sunday, he said that the most qualified person could be president, no matter his or her religion.
"It's almost Talmudic. We are a nation that was based on Judeo-Christian values. That means respect for all of human rights and dignity. That's my principle values and ideas, and that's what I think motivated our founding fathers," McCain said.
Also Sunday, in a statement, his spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker said: "The senator did not intend to assert that members of one religious faith or another have a greater claim to American citizenship over another."
he was asked a question, gave an honest answer and is now getting slammed.
that's what he prefers, so be it....
exactly. He even said that he would vote for a different candidate if he thought they were the best, but he preferred a Christian candidate; everyone has preferences about candidates. This may not be an important issue to all but the fact remains it is an important to some, whether you agree with it or not.
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The US constitution established this country as one nation under GOD.
It didn't say DICK about CHRIST or Christianity or whose fucking religion was better.
It wasn't concerned with that.
The only concern was with the fact that humans have inalienable rights, natural rights, GOD GIVEN rights ... the rights in the first 10 ammendments to the constitution are just SOME of those rights, but we retain EVERY right we could possibly think of, because they are all natural rights assigned to us by the benevolene of whichever supreme force out there actually formed this universe ... that supreme force being the one we petty humans label "god" ...
show me where in the constitution it mentions christ or christianity.
McCain should pick up his pocket patriot and read the damn thing!
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
yeah, he went too far with the money and oil nonsense, but i'd like to see you answer his first question. what's the connection between iraq and 9/11? where are the wmd's?
i don't think religious affiliation should be part of any political decision.
so why is it again that we're still there......oh right, good will toward muslims....building democracy......riiiight
Sadam went into Kuwait to control oil.
US went into Kuwait to take back control of oil.
US stationed permanent troops in Saudi Arabia to protect Oil.
Osama didn't like having Christians in Saudi Arabia.
Osama attacked us.
We attacked Osama....but for good measure...and again to secure that oil, went into Iraq.
All about controlling oil. Very elementary really.
well, i'm pretty sure the bible said to kill all the indians, didn't it?
jeeze, Christ taught what was right and good. we screw it up.
Exactly, that's the point. What good are Christian principles if the people in power and the one's who have the weapons; don't adhere to those principles?
you can label a whole people such as "Christians" as never living out their faith, right?
I didn't label anyone. McCain did.
You should be laughing at him or annoyed with him. Because he spoke in a sweeping generality of Christian principles, as if every so-called Christian.....or everyone who uses Christianity as one of their manipulation tactics or talking points; actually lives their lives according to Chrisitian principles.
It's equally absurd to speak and label Christians/Christianity (or people of any religion) as all being people who adhere to those principles.
For quite some time I have noticed how it's perfectly okay/acceptable to speak of or label Christians (or any people of whatever religion) as all good people who adhere to their Christian/religion of choice's principles. Christians/religious people have no problem with that.
But to speak of or label Christians (or any people of whatever religion) as bad, manupulative or destructive; is NOT okay/acceptable.
i'm aware the constitution have anything about Christ in it. i'm sure mccain does too(just a guess)
a lot of those dudes were Christians (i hope that doesn't spoil yr day)
they were smart enough to know for the country to work, it couldn't be founded on a religion.
hey, some Christians did a good thing...got a beef with that?
Which ones?
John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson? Nope.
Those guys were Deists. In-fact, many of the settlers, and signers of the declaration of independence left the British rule for precisely the reason that it was ruled by christian dogmatism. Deists don't believe God interacts with humans, and they don't believe Christ was the son of God.
The separation of church from state was exactly to prevent the United States from becoming ruled by religious dogmatists. The right to bare arms was exactly so the people could overthrow said dogmatists and the freedom of speech was again for the same reason, to protect from dogmatic and tyrannical governments. The likes of which, the founding fathers fleed from in Britain.
I'm Canadian, which involves another part of the story. During the American Revolution, parts of Canada were collonized by American Settler's fleeing the Americans. Americans were ready to kill anyone who sided with the British. Markham, ON was founded in just this way by my distant relative Kasper and some other refugees.
So, no. The United States of America was not founded on Christianity. Absolutely false and Hitler was not an atheist, he was a Catholic.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson? Nope.
Those guys were Deists. In-fact, many of the settlers, and signers of the declaration of independence left the British rule for precisely the reason that it was ruled by christian dogmatism. Deists don't believe God interacts with humans, and they don't believe Christ was the son of God.
The separation of church from state was exactly to prevent the United States from becoming ruled by religious dogmatists. The right to bare arms was exactly so the people could overthrow said dogmatists and the freedom of speech was again for the same reason, to protect from dogmatic and tyrannical governments. The likes of which, the founding fathers fleed from in Britain.
So, no. The United States of America was not founded on Christianity. Absolutely false and Hitler was not an atheist, he was a Catholic.
You would think he would know that. You know, American history and all that.
But it took a Canadian to point out what I assumed every American already knew. Good job Ahnimus!!!
You would think he would know that. You know, American history and all that.
But it took a Canadian to point out what I assumed every American already knew. Good job Ahnimus!!!
That's what I get for assuming.
Well, I noticed someone here mentioned it briefly, maybe it was you. But the overwhelming majority of comments about the foundation of the U.S. claimed the exact opposite. Clearly, this is formulated history, someone is making a huge assumption about history without actually knowing it for fact.
Someone pointed out that this might be an incorrect inference because of the "one nation under God" thing. Which would be true for deists as well as theists, the only ones not considered by the founding fathers were atheists, understandably since there probably wasn't any during that era.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
This is a good article, the author sounds genuine. Outlining which founding fathers were and were not Christian by virtue of the Apostle's Creed.
James Watkins (author) notes:
I am a subscriber to the Apostles' Creed (I've had a "subscription" since second grade). I would love to document that the most prominant Founding Fathers were orthodox Christians.
However, I'm also a journalist who is committed to being an OAF (Objective, Accurate, and Fair), so I have only included quotes where I could find at least two collaborating, reliable sources.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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dude, do you watch john stewart to get yr hard news?
you are soooooooooo far off base...
that's the root of everything wrong in the world, "people's fucked up beliefsystems"
Oh I forgot I'm not supposed to judge
yeah, he went too far with the money and oil nonsense, but i'd like to see you answer his first question. what's the connection between iraq and 9/11? where are the wmd's?
i don't think religious affiliation should be part of any political decision.
Just say you intend to usher in the Biblical Prophecy by leveling the Temple Of The Rock in Jeruselem, so the goddamn Jews will get busy rebuilding their Temple and you've got a lock on the Bush "We're Going To Heaven" crowd.
..
Just don't freak out the other 22% you need to get... i would suggest killing illegal immigrants at the border and/or abolishing abortion... that should get you the percentage you will need.
Hail, Hail!!!
eh, the news stations wil run with those and you might get some blowback. i'd pick revamping the department of education to ensure noone hears the word evolution again and the bible is the only standard science text from here on out. nobody knows or cares what's going on in schools anymore anyway.
Yeah... screw the schools... no one gives a shit about education... Biblical Prophecy, getting Jesus to bring His ass back down here to save us already... that's the ticket to the 29%... toss in the return of prayer in schools and Ten Commandments in Courthouses and all that crap.
Get the 11% of the people who want to errect the 110 foot high electrified fence with Machine Gun Towers and vicious guard dogs on tethers... and 11% of the ones who support the guy who kills an abortion doctor with a sniper's rifle in 'God's War Against Murderers of Babies' and **BANG**... 51% without ever mentioning that pesky thing going on over there in Iraq.
Hail, Hail!!!
If we want a truly liberal (in the classical sense) society with a plurality of thought and debate then don't get cheesed when you hear an opinion and imply they are "crazy" or "radical."
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By LIZ SIDOTI
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -- Several Jewish organizations criticized John McCain on Monday after the Republican candidate said he would prefer a Christian president over someone of a different faith.
In an interview with Beliefnet, a multi-denominational Web site that covers religion and spirituality, the White House hopeful was asked if a Muslim candidate could be a good president.
"I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles ... personally, I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith," McCain said. "But that doesn't mean that I'm sure that someone who is Muslim would not make a good president."
Later, McCain said, "I would vote for a Muslim if he or she was the candidate best able to lead the country and defend our political values." He added that "the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation."
The American Jewish Committee, an international think tank and advocacy organization based in New York, issued a statement criticizing the Arizona senator, arguing that McCain should know that the United States is a democratic society without a religious test for public office.
"To argue that America is a Christian nation, or that persons of a particular faith should by reason of their faith not seek high office, puts the very character of our country at stake," Jeffrey Sinensky, the group's general counsel, said Monday in a statement.
A partisan organization, the National Jewish Democratic Council, also called McCain's comments repugnant.
Amid the criticism, Democrat Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, an Orthodox Jew, came to the defense of his Senate colleague.
"I have known John McCain very well for many years and I know that he does not have a bigoted bone in his body. I know that he is fair and just to all Americans regardless of their faith," Lieberman said.
Over the past few days, McCain has sought to clarify his remarks.
While campaigning in New Hampshire on Sunday, he said that the most qualified person could be president, no matter his or her religion.
"It's almost Talmudic. We are a nation that was based on Judeo-Christian values. That means respect for all of human rights and dignity. That's my principle values and ideas, and that's what I think motivated our founding fathers," McCain said.
Also Sunday, in a statement, his spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker said: "The senator did not intend to assert that members of one religious faith or another have a greater claim to American citizenship over another."
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he was asked a question, gave an honest answer and is now getting slammed.
that's what he prefers, so be it....
exactly. He even said that he would vote for a different candidate if he thought they were the best, but he preferred a Christian candidate; everyone has preferences about candidates. This may not be an important issue to all but the fact remains it is an important to some, whether you agree with it or not.
It didn't say DICK about CHRIST or Christianity or whose fucking religion was better.
It wasn't concerned with that.
The only concern was with the fact that humans have inalienable rights, natural rights, GOD GIVEN rights ... the rights in the first 10 ammendments to the constitution are just SOME of those rights, but we retain EVERY right we could possibly think of, because they are all natural rights assigned to us by the benevolene of whichever supreme force out there actually formed this universe ... that supreme force being the one we petty humans label "god" ...
show me where in the constitution it mentions christ or christianity.
McCain should pick up his pocket patriot and read the damn thing!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
i'm aware the constitution have anything about Christ in it. i'm sure mccain does too(just a guess)
a lot of those dudes were Christians (i hope that doesn't spoil yr day)
they were smart enough to know for the country to work, it couldn't be founded on a religion.
hey, some Christians did a good thing...got a beef with that?
Sadam went into Kuwait to control oil.
US went into Kuwait to take back control of oil.
US stationed permanent troops in Saudi Arabia to protect Oil.
Osama didn't like having Christians in Saudi Arabia.
Osama attacked us.
We attacked Osama....but for good measure...and again to secure that oil, went into Iraq.
All about controlling oil. Very elementary really.
where there any WMD's?
was there a link between Sadaam and 9/11?
was Al quida in Iraq prior to our invasion?
Hell even Fox has had to sucumb to the realization that they were punked by the administration.
Exactly, that's the point. What good are Christian principles if the people in power and the one's who have the weapons; don't adhere to those principles?
I didn't label anyone. McCain did.
You should be laughing at him or annoyed with him. Because he spoke in a sweeping generality of Christian principles, as if every so-called Christian.....or everyone who uses Christianity as one of their manipulation tactics or talking points; actually lives their lives according to Chrisitian principles.
It's equally absurd to speak and label Christians/Christianity (or people of any religion) as all being people who adhere to those principles.
For quite some time I have noticed how it's perfectly okay/acceptable to speak of or label Christians (or any people of whatever religion) as all good people who adhere to their Christian/religion of choice's principles. Christians/religious people have no problem with that.
But to speak of or label Christians (or any people of whatever religion) as bad, manupulative or destructive; is NOT okay/acceptable.
And we all know neither are true or realistic.
You don't know me very well, indeed.
harhar!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjgquIN4Rrw
you think this started with 9-11...go back just a couple of years
as far as my black comment, i didn't want to say
"blacks all play basketball and eat watermelon"
before people stroke, this is an example....
what the hell do you think i mean by a "practicing Christian?"
all you keep coming back with is the don't practice their faith...
some do...maybe you don't know enough about it to be fairminded
.......woooosh..........right over your head and over the fence.
You're not getting what I'm saying. Nevermind.
Have a good evening.
have a good one
Which ones?
John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson? Nope.
Those guys were Deists. In-fact, many of the settlers, and signers of the declaration of independence left the British rule for precisely the reason that it was ruled by christian dogmatism. Deists don't believe God interacts with humans, and they don't believe Christ was the son of God.
The separation of church from state was exactly to prevent the United States from becoming ruled by religious dogmatists. The right to bare arms was exactly so the people could overthrow said dogmatists and the freedom of speech was again for the same reason, to protect from dogmatic and tyrannical governments. The likes of which, the founding fathers fleed from in Britain.
I'm Canadian, which involves another part of the story. During the American Revolution, parts of Canada were collonized by American Settler's fleeing the Americans. Americans were ready to kill anyone who sided with the British. Markham, ON was founded in just this way by my distant relative Kasper and some other refugees.
So, no. The United States of America was not founded on Christianity. Absolutely false and Hitler was not an atheist, he was a Catholic.
You would think he would know that. You know, American history and all that.
But it took a Canadian to point out what I assumed every American already knew. Good job Ahnimus!!!
That's what I get for assuming.
Well, I noticed someone here mentioned it briefly, maybe it was you. But the overwhelming majority of comments about the foundation of the U.S. claimed the exact opposite. Clearly, this is formulated history, someone is making a huge assumption about history without actually knowing it for fact.
Someone pointed out that this might be an incorrect inference because of the "one nation under God" thing. Which would be true for deists as well as theists, the only ones not considered by the founding fathers were atheists, understandably since there probably wasn't any during that era.
did i say EVERY ONE? nope........
i tell you what, let burns us some Christians
i'm glad that canadians know stuff
Which ones were Christians?
there is just too much Jesus going on
Nevermind, here you go.
This is a good article, the author sounds genuine. Outlining which founding fathers were and were not Christian by virtue of the Apostle's Creed.
James Watkins (author) notes:
I am a subscriber to the Apostles' Creed (I've had a "subscription" since second grade). I would love to document that the most prominant Founding Fathers were orthodox Christians.
However, I'm also a journalist who is committed to being an OAF (Objective, Accurate, and Fair), so I have only included quotes where I could find at least two collaborating, reliable sources.
http://watkins.gospelcom.net/foundingfathers.htm