Obama might run in 2008

ledvedderman

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm simply pointing out one of the hurdles he is going to have to jump in order to win a NATIONAL election.

Any honestly, that resume doesn't scream 'PRESIDENT' to me. I am more convinced that a Governor, who has run an entire state, having the final say, is more ready for the presidency than any State Rep/Senator or even federal Rep/Senator.

Yeah that worked out real well the last time a guv was elected President

inmytree

jlew24asu wrote:

you cant stand it huh. its killing you on the inside is it?

just becuase he was organized some job training for the poor doesnt make him overly qualified to be president of the united states.

he needs more life experience. he's barely in his mid 40s? nothing wrong with getting more experience. he is on the right track.

exactly...he should be drinkin', snortin' and running business into the ground, you know, the kind of stuff that looks good on a resume...;)

ledvedderman

inmytree wrote:

exactly...he should be drinkin', snortin' and running business into the ground, you know, the kind of stuff that looks good on a resume...;)

Obama has admitted to doing 2 of those 3, none of which involved running businesses into the ground.

cincybearcat

ledvedderman wrote:

Yeah that worked out real well the last time a guv was elected President

Hahaha...that was a good one.

Doesn't change my opinion though. Just need to elect better 'leaders'.

rigneyclan

I'd vote for him

chopitdown

miller8966 wrote:

This will surely be interesting........but i dont know if he can get past the hillary machine.

that's a good point. It'll be a shame if he can't b/c if you think about cross over appeal HE has it...not hillary. He'll be one possibly that can't win his parties nomination but very well could win the presidency...Hillary can't.

macgyver06

you actually think a woman would beat a guy in this country... have you been around your city....have you been in offices?

macgyver06

a handicapped midget nazi would win over clinton. to many i think don't care about politics when votin for their politic.

macgyver06

i tried to get a certain accent goin in that last post ya'll..trying to disguise the prejudiceness... ya reckon...

Taft

After watching Obama on several shows this week, I have severe reservations about how successful he would be in a campaign against the GOP.

It does not appear that he would be willing to fight, and get down and dirty. It seems like he would take the "high road", which would get him nowhere in '08. Unfortunately, the GOP has no conscience, and to beat them you have to be willing to play their game. John Kerry learned this the hard way with the way the Swift Boat ads destroyed his momentum.

jlew24asu

Taft wrote:

After watching Obama on several shows this week, I have severe reservations about how successful he would be in a campaign against the GOP.

It does not appear that he would be willing to fight, and get down and dirty. It seems like he would take the "high road", which would get him nowhere in '08. Unfortunately, the GOP has no conscience, and to beat them you have to be willing to play their game. John Kerry learned this the hard way with the way the Swift Boat ads destroyed his momentum.

democrats play that game too.

Hope&Anger

jlew24asu wrote:

democrats play that game too.

Like when? Got an example?

gabers

Two points.

I'm pretty sure Bush made a similar promise when he ran for governor the second time.

I'm pretty sure Bush isn't really the one running the country anyway, so his lack of experience, for starters, doesn't really matter.

That being said, I do think a candidate probably should have more experience before running for president, but heck, maybe he could bring ol' Bill back to be his VP! Wouldn't that be a dream ticket?!

jlew24asu

Hope&Anger wrote:

Like when? Got an example?

your gonna tell me democrats dont play the dirty politics game? its only the big bad republicans?


how about the dan rather memo gate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate


you seem like an intelligent guy. dont ask such stupid questions

Hope&Anger

jlew24asu wrote:

your gonna tell me democrats dont play the dirty politics game? its only the big bad republicans?


how about the dan rather memo gate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate


you seem like an intelligent guy. dont ask such stupid questions

Ouch.

Okay, Rathergate. My impression of Rathergate was that the person feeding Rather the documents was a disgruntled Republican, but that's no nevermind. (Also, it's not clear to me the extent to which "the Democrats" were behind this, but I'll let that go.)

Second, I thought you were talking about campaign commercials. (You guys never ever stick to the point.) In terms of campaign commercials, Republicans have been the winners, hands down.

Starting with Nixon and his masters of dirty tricks -- who can forget the "Canuck letter":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Segretti

Of course, there was Willie Horton ad devised by Lee Atwater (who on his deathbed renounced his role in developing the political strategies that were so low and dirty):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater

There were the push polls that destroyed McCain's chances in South Carolina, devised by none other than Karl Rove:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll

And of course, the totally fabricated and misleading Swift Boat ads that even Bush had to disavow:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5797164/

And this season's ads -- playing to racist and sexist assumptions in Tennessee to fight off Harold Ford:
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2006/10/gop-aims-sleazy-blonde-bimbo-ad-at.html

And my favorite -- the ad about the aide to a candidate for Congress who dialed an 800 number that was a sex phone line. Except he didn't do that at all.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003286540

And this is just off the top of my head. And all you've got is Dan Rather's fake memos?

It's true that Democrats play dirty politics, but let's face it -- this is something the Republicans have perfected. Because all they really care about is power.

jlew24asu

Hope&Anger wrote:

It's true that Democrats play dirty politics, but let's face it -- this is something the Republicans have perfected. Because all they really care about is power.

your just kidding yourself if you think only republicans are about power. that characteristic goes for any politician.

chopitdown

Hope&Anger wrote:

It's true that Democrats play dirty politics, but let's face it -- this is something the Republicans have perfected. Because all they really care about is power.

I don't know, the Democrats seemed to play fairly dirty in Chicago for years

Pearl Jam and toast

All politicians play dirty, the republicans are just better at it.

Evil geniouses.

Hope&Anger

jlew24asu wrote:

your just kidding yourself if you think only republicans are about power. that characteristic goes for any politician.

You know what I love about you? I love the way that you ignore 95% of a post that you just can't refute. You can't answer my evidence about what scumbags Republicans are, so you resort to these ineffectual conclusory comments.

All politicians are corrupt. Ho hum. Yawn.

jlew24asu

Hope&Anger wrote:

You know what I love about you? I love the way that you ignore 95% of a post that you just can't refute. You can't answer my evidence about what scumbags Republicans are, so you resort to these ineffectual conclusory comments.

All politicians are corrupt. Ho hum. Yawn.

I cant argue with someone who is so liberal. any ad you see bashing republicans, no matter how dirty or wrong, you deem it a masterpiece. you are a pro at using google and wikipedia, i got it. its a waste of time to try to explain to you that both political parties play dirty during election time. you'll never agree, which is sad.