Obama might run in 2008

binauralsounds

I'm watching him now on MSNBC. Repeat of meet the press. I NEVER watch that program, but saw him on and watching.
I'm liking this guy more and more and more!!!

GO WATCH!

MrBrian

RainDog wrote:

Of course he supported Kerry. He's a Democrat, and, for better or worse, parties tend to stick together. Also, it was Kerry who asked Obama to speak at the National convention, which was pretty much what first put him in the national spotlight. He was also, in my opinion, the best thing about that campaign.

well that's the thing my friend, how much can you trust,believe, support? a person who just backs another person because of some affiliation? with a group, I mean to throw out what you believe, to throw out what is right and support what is wrong just because of a tag? A person like that, I don't think should be a leader.

I know he spoke well at the convention, his speech about his father and farms or whatever it was, it was very touching, but that's not enough for me.

Sure it would be great to see a young non white president, that's just what the country could use, something new, also I would'nt be upset if he won, I don't think he's that bad, but again, is he really the best? is he really that good?

chopitdown

icarus wrote:

i have nothing against obama but i think his biggest obstacle is his lack of experience, not his color. having only served 2 years so far in national politics (four when and if he runs for president) and not having any executive experience will look really weak in many swing voters' eyes. i think that played a big role in john edwards' downfall. if obama runs too early and fails it could destroy his political career.

that's true, he does have inexperience about he executive branch, but I think that can work to his favor. At a time when the public is split they are looking for someone who's NOT been around DC for a long time b/c of the extreme skepticism of everyone in politics. He may not have the experience but I like his attitude re: the presidency...from meet the press

"I think there’s a, there’s a certain soberness and seriousness required when you think about that office that is unique. And at some point, the bargain you’re making with the American people is, is that, “You put me in this office and my problems are not relevant. My job is to think about your problems.”

And so anybody, I think, who’s pursuing it, has to, has to understand the gravity of it, and, and make sure that the reason they want to do it is not simply because they want to see their name in the headlines."

binauralsounds

I need to head to the library to see if they have his book. I'm very interested in reading it. I like some of the quotes he took from Obamas book. Very insightful and a breath of fresh air.

Lizard

From what I have seen I like him and would vote for him but don't be fooled that his skin color is NOT an obstacle for him in this country. It is still a very racist country from my experience with people you run into in everyday life. It is sad but if you think the color of a person's skin is not a big deal any more then you are wrong. There are a lot more ignorant people than not in this country, sad to say.

willtupper

Everyone likes to talk about his political inexperience.

Go look up how much experience Lincoln had when he was elected.

Hell.

Go look up how much (successful) experience Pres. Bush had!

moeaholic

Lizard wrote:

From what I have seen I like him and would vote for him but don't be fooled that his skin color is NOT an obstacle for him in this country. It is still a very racist country from my experience with people you run into in everyday life. It is sad but if you think the color of a person's skin is not a big deal any more then you are wrong. There are a lot more ignorant people than not in this country, sad to say.

yeah, i agree with this. i think he's got a better chance than hillary, but not a big enough chance to win it. i've said it a million times before, i might be dead and buried before this country sees a black or female president.

myself, i'll just wait until the actual candidates are chosen before i make up my mind who i'm voting for. no sense getting all charged up about something that isn't a sure thing yet.

ledvedderman

I worked with Senator Obama in 2004 and I can assure you that he is the real deal. He is as genuine as what you see on TV, if not more so. I have VERY good information that in 2008 it will be Obama running for the Democrats, and Clinton not running at all. The plan for Hillary is, (drumroll please) Democratic Leader of the Senate.

I think this is a great idea on the part of the Dems. Too many people do not like Hillary and I think she would get hit pretty hard. I don't care where I am working in 2008, I will quit and get on the Obama train. Now, who would be a perfect VP on a ticket headed by Obama? John Edwards, help get some of the southern vote.

jlew24asu

ledvedderman wrote:

. Now, who would be a perfect VP on a ticket headed by Obama? John Edwards, help get some of the southern vote.

o man I dont think I can handle his nerdy double thumbs up again.

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

o man I dont think I can handle his nerdy double thumbs up again.

It's much better than W's stupid chuckle

cincybearcat

Personally, I think the Dems would be better off if Obama runs, but loses the Dem nomination. Then he can come back later with more experience and national exposure and run again in the near future. Just my thoughts. I think he will be exposed for a lack of a record...too inexperienced. Though he might be able to play that off as a good thing nowadays so who knows.

Ebizzie

ledvedderman wrote:

I worked with Senator Obama in 2004 and I can assure you that he is the real deal. He is as genuine as what you see on TV, if not more so. I have VERY good information that in 2008 it will be Obama running for the Democrats, and Clinton not running at all. The plan for Hillary is, (drumroll please) Democratic Leader of the Senate.

I think this is a great idea on the part of the Dems. Too many people do not like Hillary and I think she would get hit pretty hard. I don't care where I am working in 2008, I will quit and get on the Obama train. Now, who would be a perfect VP on a ticket headed by Obama? John Edwards, help get some of the southern vote.

I could honestly see Obama going with a split-party ticket. I think this would be necessary for two reasons. 1, the political climate today is so split that choosing a very moderate GOP running mate would instantly lend credibility to his dedication to bipartisanship...2, unfortunately, race will play a role in his success, a GOP running-mate will help to offset those setbacks. Not trying to insinuate that the GOP are a bunch of racists, but having lived in the GOP-loving bible belt for years, I've come to understand the culture a bit. It's not not an outright racist section of the country, but there are still very prominent, unspoken racial lines that Obama would have to overcome.

Of course, that would take both parties agreeing to something like this...something tells me that the GOP wouldn't be happy taking the backseat on the ticket for fear of a strong Obama/? ticket outshining their own. It's going to be an interesting election in '08.

Ebizzie

cincybearcat wrote:

Personally, I think the Dems would be better off if Obama runs, but loses the Dem nomination. Then he can come back later with more experience and national exposure and run again in the near future. Just my thoughts. I think he will be exposed for a lack of a record...too inexperienced. Though he might be able to play that off as a good thing nowadays so who knows.

I think it's a great thing. I'm sick of the career politicians; the lobbyists have had time to infect their souls.

cincybearcat

Ebizzie wrote:

I think it's a great thing. I'm sick of the career politicians; the lobbyists have had time to infect their souls.

I know what you are saying, but not ahving experience can be a very bad thing as well.

know1

"The Illinois Democrat said he could no longer stand by the statements he made after his 2004 election and earlier this year that he would serve a full six-year term in Congress. He said he would not make a decision until after the Nov. 7 elections."

Ahh....so he's not a man of his word, eh? He'll fit right in with all of those other crooked politicians.

cincybearcat

know1 wrote:

"The Illinois Democrat said he could no longer stand by the statements he made after his 2004 election and earlier this year that he would serve a full six-year term in Congress. He said he would not make a decision until after the Nov. 7 elections."

Ahh....so he's not a man of his word, eh? He'll fit right in with all of those other crooked politicians.

All he has to do is drive his car off a bridge and kill a woman and he'll be cemented as the next Democratic Icon.

Ebizzie

cincybearcat wrote:

I know what you are saying, but not ahving experience can be a very bad thing as well.

An inexperienced leader with strong ethics and beliefs can have quite a positive impact on the entity he is charged with leading. Look at the business world in the last 15-20 years. There have been so many very successful businesses started by inexperienced entrepeurs who suddenly find themselves in charge of multi-million dollar companies. It's all about keeping your eye on your goals. Well, that and surrounding yourself with a strong backing choir. We both can probably agree that GWB isn't exactly a strong leader. He leans heavily on the those who surround him. Unfortunately, he's surrounded himself by a group of proven "leaders" who are completely inept.

cincybearcat

Ebizzie wrote:

An inexperienced leader with strong ethics and beliefs can have quite a positive impact on the entity he is charged with leading. Look at the business world in the last 15-20 years. There have been so many very successful businesses started by inexperienced entrepeurs who suddenly find themselves in charge of multi-million dollar companies. It's all about keeping your eye on your goals. Well, that and surrounding yourself with a strong backing choir. We both can probably agree that GWB isn't exactly a strong leader. He leans heavily on the those who surround him. Unfortunately, he's surrounded himself by a group of proven "leaders" who are completely inept.

Once again, I understand and even tend to agree. But I'm talking about winning a general election and the general perception...people tend to live politicans that have an extensive resume. It's harder on the new comers. But, with the political climate that we have today...perhaps the time is right for a relative 'new comer'.

Experience in Washingtno is not always seen as a good thing, but experience is...that's why Governor's usually run so well in a national general election. They have experience running a state, however, they aren't seen to be tainted by the whole Washington insider garbage. WHo really knows, I'm just throwing out some thoughts.

ledvedderman

Just in case anyone needs reminded, one of the greatest Presidents of our nations history, John F. Kennedy, did so with no executive experience and having only served 2 years in the Senate.

cincybearcat

ledvedderman wrote:

Just in case anyone needs reminded, one of the greatest Presidents of our nations history, John F. Kennedy, did so with no executive experience and having only served 2 years in the Senate.

One of greatest presidents? Hmmmm....

One example hardly equals a trend.

Obama has to win a general election, that's a little more than just your vote. That's all I'm saying. Of course he has great support here on the Liberal Train.