Personally, I think the Dems would be better off if Obama runs, but loses the Dem nomination. Then he can come back later with more experience and national exposure and run again in the near future. Just my thoughts. I think he will be exposed for a lack of a record...too inexperienced. Though he might be able to play that off as a good thing nowadays so who knows.
I worked with Senator Obama in 2004 and I can assure you that he is the real deal. He is as genuine as what you see on TV, if not more so. I have VERY good information that in 2008 it will be Obama running for the Democrats, and Clinton not running at all. The plan for Hillary is, (drumroll please) Democratic Leader of the Senate.
I think this is a great idea on the part of the Dems. Too many people do not like Hillary and I think she would get hit pretty hard. I don't care where I am working in 2008, I will quit and get on the Obama train. Now, who would be a perfect VP on a ticket headed by Obama? John Edwards, help get some of the southern vote.
I could honestly see Obama going with a split-party ticket. I think this would be necessary for two reasons. 1, the political climate today is so split that choosing a very moderate GOP running mate would instantly lend credibility to his dedication to bipartisanship...2, unfortunately, race will play a role in his success, a GOP running-mate will help to offset those setbacks. Not trying to insinuate that the GOP are a bunch of racists, but having lived in the GOP-loving bible belt for years, I've come to understand the culture a bit. It's not not an outright racist section of the country, but there are still very prominent, unspoken racial lines that Obama would have to overcome.
Of course, that would take both parties agreeing to something like this...something tells me that the GOP wouldn't be happy taking the backseat on the ticket for fear of a strong Obama/? ticket outshining their own. It's going to be an interesting election in '08.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
Personally, I think the Dems would be better off if Obama runs, but loses the Dem nomination. Then he can come back later with more experience and national exposure and run again in the near future. Just my thoughts. I think he will be exposed for a lack of a record...too inexperienced. Though he might be able to play that off as a good thing nowadays so who knows.
I think it's a great thing. I'm sick of the career politicians; the lobbyists have had time to infect their souls.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
"The Illinois Democrat said he could no longer stand by the statements he made after his 2004 election and earlier this year that he would serve a full six-year term in Congress. He said he would not make a decision until after the Nov. 7 elections."
Ahh....so he's not a man of his word, eh? He'll fit right in with all of those other crooked politicians.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
"The Illinois Democrat said he could no longer stand by the statements he made after his 2004 election and earlier this year that he would serve a full six-year term in Congress. He said he would not make a decision until after the Nov. 7 elections."
Ahh....so he's not a man of his word, eh? He'll fit right in with all of those other crooked politicians.
All he has to do is drive his car off a bridge and kill a woman and he'll be cemented as the next Democratic Icon.
I know what you are saying, but not ahving experience can be a very bad thing as well.
An inexperienced leader with strong ethics and beliefs can have quite a positive impact on the entity he is charged with leading. Look at the business world in the last 15-20 years. There have been so many very successful businesses started by inexperienced entrepeurs who suddenly find themselves in charge of multi-million dollar companies. It's all about keeping your eye on your goals. Well, that and surrounding yourself with a strong backing choir. We both can probably agree that GWB isn't exactly a strong leader. He leans heavily on the those who surround him. Unfortunately, he's surrounded himself by a group of proven "leaders" who are completely inept.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
An inexperienced leader with strong ethics and beliefs can have quite a positive impact on the entity he is charged with leading. Look at the business world in the last 15-20 years. There have been so many very successful businesses started by inexperienced entrepeurs who suddenly find themselves in charge of multi-million dollar companies. It's all about keeping your eye on your goals. Well, that and surrounding yourself with a strong backing choir. We both can probably agree that GWB isn't exactly a strong leader. He leans heavily on the those who surround him. Unfortunately, he's surrounded himself by a group of proven "leaders" who are completely inept.
Once again, I understand and even tend to agree. But I'm talking about winning a general election and the general perception...people tend to live politicans that have an extensive resume. It's harder on the new comers. But, with the political climate that we have today...perhaps the time is right for a relative 'new comer'.
Experience in Washingtno is not always seen as a good thing, but experience is...that's why Governor's usually run so well in a national general election. They have experience running a state, however, they aren't seen to be tainted by the whole Washington insider garbage. WHo really knows, I'm just throwing out some thoughts.
Just in case anyone needs reminded, one of the greatest Presidents of our nations history, John F. Kennedy, did so with no executive experience and having only served 2 years in the Senate.
Just in case anyone needs reminded, one of the greatest Presidents of our nations history, John F. Kennedy, did so with no executive experience and having only served 2 years in the Senate.
One of greatest presidents? Hmmmm....
One example hardly equals a trend.
Obama has to win a general election, that's a little more than just your vote. That's all I'm saying. Of course he has great support here on the Liberal Train.
Just in case anyone needs reminded, one of the greatest Presidents of our nations history, John F. Kennedy, did so with no executive experience and having only served 2 years in the Senate.
So are you saying that Obama is the black Kennedy? Hmmmm Those could be some interesting campaign comercials.;)
Well from the little that i know about Obama I like him. He has what every other democrat lacks, charisma.
Do people really not care that he's going back on his word?
look its not like he suddenly changed his mind about the death penalty or some other matter of importance. So he wont finish his term in the senate, big deal. He realizes he has a decent shot at the presidency. There is nothing wrong with that.
There is nothing wrong with Obama saying he now is considering President when months ago he wasn't considering it. In Illinois we have Rep. Shimkus who, when he first entered Congress, said he would not serve more than 3 terms in Congress because he believes there should term limits, now he is running for term 4. Stuff like this happens all the time. It's not like Obama was saying for the past 3 years to "stay the course" than come out now and say he never said "stay the course".
relax dude im kidding. I like obama. calm the fuck down
Dude, sorry, but you have no idea how much I heard that when I worked with Obama. It's one of those things the next time you hear it you just want to snap
Dude, sorry, but you have no idea how much I heard that when I worked with Obama. It's one of those things the next time you hear it you just want to snap
I have no problem with a moderate democrat from my home state in the White House.
I do think it might be too early for him but we'll see.
I can't stand this talk of how Obama isn't experienced enough. First off he was a community organizer in Chicago, helping organize job training programs for the poor. After that he went to Harvard Law and was the president of the Harvard Law Review. Then worked for a civil rights law firm and then taught constitutional law at University of Chicago. Oh, and was in the state legislature from 1996 to 2004. Sounds like plenty of experience to me.
I can't stand this talk of how Obama isn't experienced enough. First off he was a community organizer in Chicago, helping organize job training programs for the poor. After that he went to Harvard Law and was the president of the Harvard Law Review. Then worked for a civil rights law firm and then taught constitutional law at University of Chicago. Oh, and was in the state legislature from 1996 to 2004. Sounds like plenty of experience to me.
you cant stand it huh. its killing you on the inside is it?
just becuase he was organized some job training for the poor doesnt make him overly qualified to be president of the united states.
he needs more life experience. he's barely in his mid 40s? nothing wrong with getting more experience. he is on the right track.
I can't stand this talk of how Obama isn't experienced enough. First off he was a community organizer in Chicago, helping organize job training programs for the poor. After that he went to Harvard Law and was the president of the Harvard Law Review. Then worked for a civil rights law firm and then taught constitutional law at University of Chicago. Oh, and was in the state legislature from 1996 to 2004. Sounds like plenty of experience to me.
I'm simply pointing out one of the hurdles he is going to have to jump in order to win a NATIONAL election.
Any honestly, that resume doesn't scream 'PRESIDENT' to me. I am more convinced that a Governor, who has run an entire state, having the final say, is more ready for the presidency than any State Rep/Senator or even federal Rep/Senator.
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I could honestly see Obama going with a split-party ticket. I think this would be necessary for two reasons. 1, the political climate today is so split that choosing a very moderate GOP running mate would instantly lend credibility to his dedication to bipartisanship...2, unfortunately, race will play a role in his success, a GOP running-mate will help to offset those setbacks. Not trying to insinuate that the GOP are a bunch of racists, but having lived in the GOP-loving bible belt for years, I've come to understand the culture a bit. It's not not an outright racist section of the country, but there are still very prominent, unspoken racial lines that Obama would have to overcome.
Of course, that would take both parties agreeing to something like this...something tells me that the GOP wouldn't be happy taking the backseat on the ticket for fear of a strong Obama/? ticket outshining their own. It's going to be an interesting election in '08.
I think it's a great thing. I'm sick of the career politicians; the lobbyists have had time to infect their souls.
I know what you are saying, but not ahving experience can be a very bad thing as well.
Ahh....so he's not a man of his word, eh? He'll fit right in with all of those other crooked politicians.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
All he has to do is drive his car off a bridge and kill a woman and he'll be cemented as the next Democratic Icon.
An inexperienced leader with strong ethics and beliefs can have quite a positive impact on the entity he is charged with leading. Look at the business world in the last 15-20 years. There have been so many very successful businesses started by inexperienced entrepeurs who suddenly find themselves in charge of multi-million dollar companies. It's all about keeping your eye on your goals. Well, that and surrounding yourself with a strong backing choir. We both can probably agree that GWB isn't exactly a strong leader. He leans heavily on the those who surround him. Unfortunately, he's surrounded himself by a group of proven "leaders" who are completely inept.
Once again, I understand and even tend to agree. But I'm talking about winning a general election and the general perception...people tend to live politicans that have an extensive resume. It's harder on the new comers. But, with the political climate that we have today...perhaps the time is right for a relative 'new comer'.
Experience in Washingtno is not always seen as a good thing, but experience is...that's why Governor's usually run so well in a national general election. They have experience running a state, however, they aren't seen to be tainted by the whole Washington insider garbage. WHo really knows, I'm just throwing out some thoughts.
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One of greatest presidents? Hmmmm....
One example hardly equals a trend.
Obama has to win a general election, that's a little more than just your vote. That's all I'm saying. Of course he has great support here on the Liberal Train.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
So are you saying that Obama is the black Kennedy? Hmmmm Those could be some interesting campaign comercials.;)
Well from the little that i know about Obama I like him. He has what every other democrat lacks, charisma.
look its not like he suddenly changed his mind about the death penalty or some other matter of importance. So he wont finish his term in the senate, big deal. He realizes he has a decent shot at the presidency. There is nothing wrong with that.
From what I know, I disagree with him a lot. But he ceratinly has a winning personality.
haha.. I saw, more then once, people slip and say osama.
yeah i could see the Gop putting up fake sings saying osama for president just to confuse the shit out of people.
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no way! too funny. is his daughter named Kim and son named Jong?
Are you kidding me? Leave his fucking kids alone. I'm sure next you're going to start calling him Iraq Hussein Osama.
Just FYI, his daughters names are Sasha and Malia, and they are great kids.
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relax dude im kidding. I like obama. calm the fuck down
Dude, sorry, but you have no idea how much I heard that when I worked with Obama. It's one of those things the next time you hear it you just want to snap
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I have no problem with a moderate democrat from my home state in the White House.
I do think it might be too early for him but we'll see.
at the bar the other night, i was talking to some teachers who had a lot of support for him. i looked him up, and he seems pretty good.
i hope that this guy is the real deal.
~Ron Burgundy
you cant stand it huh. its killing you on the inside is it?
just becuase he was organized some job training for the poor doesnt make him overly qualified to be president of the united states.
he needs more life experience. he's barely in his mid 40s? nothing wrong with getting more experience. he is on the right track.
Just wanna snap???? It appears that you did snap.
I'm simply pointing out one of the hurdles he is going to have to jump in order to win a NATIONAL election.
Any honestly, that resume doesn't scream 'PRESIDENT' to me. I am more convinced that a Governor, who has run an entire state, having the final say, is more ready for the presidency than any State Rep/Senator or even federal Rep/Senator.