I'm simply pointing out one of the hurdles he is going to have to jump in order to win a NATIONAL election.
Any honestly, that resume doesn't scream 'PRESIDENT' to me. I am more convinced that a Governor, who has run an entire state, having the final say, is more ready for the presidency than any State Rep/Senator or even federal Rep/Senator.
Yeah that worked out real well the last time a guv was elected President
This will surely be interesting........but i dont know if he can get past the hillary machine.
that's a good point. It'll be a shame if he can't b/c if you think about cross over appeal HE has it...not hillary. He'll be one possibly that can't win his parties nomination but very well could win the presidency...Hillary can't.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
After watching Obama on several shows this week, I have severe reservations about how successful he would be in a campaign against the GOP.
It does not appear that he would be willing to fight, and get down and dirty. It seems like he would take the "high road", which would get him nowhere in '08. Unfortunately, the GOP has no conscience, and to beat them you have to be willing to play their game. John Kerry learned this the hard way with the way the Swift Boat ads destroyed his momentum.
After watching Obama on several shows this week, I have severe reservations about how successful he would be in a campaign against the GOP.
It does not appear that he would be willing to fight, and get down and dirty. It seems like he would take the "high road", which would get him nowhere in '08. Unfortunately, the GOP has no conscience, and to beat them you have to be willing to play their game. John Kerry learned this the hard way with the way the Swift Boat ads destroyed his momentum.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
I'm pretty sure Bush made a similar promise when he ran for governor the second time.
I'm pretty sure Bush isn't really the one running the country anyway, so his lack of experience, for starters, doesn't really matter.
That being said, I do think a candidate probably should have more experience before running for president, but heck, maybe he could bring ol' Bill back to be his VP! Wouldn't that be a dream ticket?!
you seem like an intelligent guy. dont ask such stupid questions
Ouch.
Okay, Rathergate. My impression of Rathergate was that the person feeding Rather the documents was a disgruntled Republican, but that's no nevermind. (Also, it's not clear to me the extent to which "the Democrats" were behind this, but I'll let that go.)
Second, I thought you were talking about campaign commercials. (You guys never ever stick to the point.) In terms of campaign commercials, Republicans have been the winners, hands down.
Of course, there was Willie Horton ad devised by Lee Atwater (who on his deathbed renounced his role in developing the political strategies that were so low and dirty): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater
There were the push polls that destroyed McCain's chances in South Carolina, devised by none other than Karl Rove: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll
And this is just off the top of my head. And all you've got is Dan Rather's fake memos?
It's true that Democrats play dirty politics, but let's face it -- this is something the Republicans have perfected. Because all they really care about is power.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
It's true that Democrats play dirty politics, but let's face it -- this is something the Republicans have perfected. Because all they really care about is power.
your just kidding yourself if you think only republicans are about power. that characteristic goes for any politician.
It's true that Democrats play dirty politics, but let's face it -- this is something the Republicans have perfected. Because all they really care about is power.
I don't know, the Democrats seemed to play fairly dirty in Chicago for years
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
your just kidding yourself if you think only republicans are about power. that characteristic goes for any politician.
You know what I love about you? I love the way that you ignore 95% of a post that you just can't refute. You can't answer my evidence about what scumbags Republicans are, so you resort to these ineffectual conclusory comments.
All politicians are corrupt. Ho hum. Yawn.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
You know what I love about you? I love the way that you ignore 95% of a post that you just can't refute. You can't answer my evidence about what scumbags Republicans are, so you resort to these ineffectual conclusory comments.
All politicians are corrupt. Ho hum. Yawn.
I cant argue with someone who is so liberal. any ad you see bashing republicans, no matter how dirty or wrong, you deem it a masterpiece. you are a pro at using google and wikipedia, i got it. its a waste of time to try to explain to you that both political parties play dirty during election time. you'll never agree, which is sad.
democrats have scandals.
democrats play for special interests.
democrats take dirty money from lobbyists and big corporations.
theyre not much different from republicans as far as being dirty politicians go.
You guys are so right!!! What was I thinking??? It's just that the Democrats have been out of power for so FUCKING long, and their corruption was so petty compared to the truly staggering amount of graft going on with Abramoff and Ralph Reed and Haliburton serving contaminated water and food to our troops and Republicans in leadership positions in Congress pleading guilty to corruption charges, not to mention covering up the conduct of a genuine pedophile.
Oh, but Bill Clinton lost money in a tangled land deal and then got a blow job in the oval office, and that's WAY worse than Haliburton employees getting $150,000 to do jobs that our troops do for such lousy wages that their families have to get food stamps.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
I cant argue with someone who is so liberal. any ad you see bashing republicans, no matter how dirty or wrong, you deem it a masterpiece. you are a pro at using google and wikipedia, i got it. its a waste of time to try to explain to you that both political parties play dirty during election time. you'll never agree, which is sad.
I repeat -- give me an example. If you give me an example, maybe I'll agree.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
I repeat -- give me an example. If you give me an example, maybe I'll agree.
see post #88. any example I give you will just agree with and not see it as bad. good clean politics from the democrats. was it you who called clinton God? maybe that was someone else
Oh, but Bill Clinton lost money in a tangled land deal and then got a blow job in the oval office, and that's WAY worse than Haliburton employees getting $150,000 to do jobs that our troops do for such lousy wages that their families have to get food stamps.
perfect example why its impossible to debate with such far leftys. in your eyes liberals can do NO wrong. you lay out in complete detail, the bad things republicans do but when it comes to clinton it was just some "minor land deal" and getting a blow job in office. i mean who doesnt like a good blow job at work? it wasnt the blow job that got him in trouble, it was lying under oath about it that got him impeached. minor detail you left out. and maybe some of this too....
perfect example why its impossible to debate with such far leftys. in your eyes liberals can do NO wrong. you lay out in complete detail, the bad things republicans do but when it comes to clinton it was just some "minor land deal" and getting a blow job in office. i mean who doesnt like a good blow job at work? it wasnt the blow job that got him in trouble, it was lying under oath about it that got him impeached. minor detail you left out. and maybe some of this too....
It would just help your cause if Republicans would acknowledge they are wrong every now and again. You guys are about to loose both the House and Senate and still can't admit that the country is going in the wrong direction.
Normal debate as I see it.
I can't believe Bush repealed some parts of the Clean Air Act. This will only increase the number of cases of Asthma and related illnesses. Why? Campaign donor.
R: Ahh stupid liberal, go hug a tree...
It would just help your cause if Republicans would acknowledge they are wrong every now and again. You guys are about to loose both the House and Senate and still can't admit that the country is going in the wrong direction.
Normal debate as I see it.
I can't believe Bush repealed some parts of the Clean Air Act. This will only increase the number of cases of Asthma and related illnesses. Why? Campaign donor.
R: Ahh stupid liberal, go hug a tree...
Yep, you have it nailed. You are so smart. So much smarter than those dummy conservatives.
Yep, you have it nailed. You are so smart. So much smarter than those dummy conservatives.
I am registered Republican and never said they were stupid. I implied the current ones who are in control of Congress and the White House are too arrogant to admit they made some mistakes and it's going to cost them this election.
I am registered Republican and never said they were stupid. I implied the current ones who are in control of Congress and the White House are too arrogant to admit they made some mistakes and it's going to cost them this election.
That's not how your post read, sorry. I agree with your above statement.
perfect example why its impossible to debate with such far leftys. in your eyes liberals can do NO wrong. you lay out in complete detail, the bad things republicans do but when it comes to clinton it was just some "minor land deal" and getting a blow job in office. i mean who doesnt like a good blow job at work? it wasnt the blow job that got him in trouble, it was lying under oath about it that got him impeached. minor detail you left out. and maybe some of this too....
Oh man, why don't you go with a reliable source. Why on Earth should I believe what Christopher J. Burke has to say, he's just one man who decided to make a webpage. That isn't very credible at all...
It would just help your cause if Republicans would acknowledge they are wrong every now and again. You guys are about to loose both the House and Senate and still can't admit that the country is going in the wrong direction.
Normal debate as I see it.
I can't believe Bush repealed some parts of the Clean Air Act. This will only increase the number of cases of Asthma and related illnesses. Why? Campaign donor.
R: Ahh stupid liberal, go hug a tree...
you got me all wrong buddy. im not a republican. if the democrats can tell me what security strategy that have or how they stand on a few issues, I will probably vote democrat. unless hilary runs.
I try to call it like i see it. I am not firmly on one side unlike most people here.
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Yeah that worked out real well the last time a guv was elected President
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
exactly...he should be drinkin', snortin' and running business into the ground, you know, the kind of stuff that looks good on a resume...;)
Obama has admitted to doing 2 of those 3, none of which involved running businesses into the ground.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Hahaha...that was a good one.
Doesn't change my opinion though. Just need to elect better 'leaders'.
that's a good point. It'll be a shame if he can't b/c if you think about cross over appeal HE has it...not hillary. He'll be one possibly that can't win his parties nomination but very well could win the presidency...Hillary can't.
It does not appear that he would be willing to fight, and get down and dirty. It seems like he would take the "high road", which would get him nowhere in '08. Unfortunately, the GOP has no conscience, and to beat them you have to be willing to play their game. John Kerry learned this the hard way with the way the Swift Boat ads destroyed his momentum.
democrats play that game too.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
I'm pretty sure Bush made a similar promise when he ran for governor the second time.
I'm pretty sure Bush isn't really the one running the country anyway, so his lack of experience, for starters, doesn't really matter.
That being said, I do think a candidate probably should have more experience before running for president, but heck, maybe he could bring ol' Bill back to be his VP! Wouldn't that be a dream ticket?!
your gonna tell me democrats dont play the dirty politics game? its only the big bad republicans?
how about the dan rather memo gate?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate
you seem like an intelligent guy. dont ask such stupid questions
Okay, Rathergate. My impression of Rathergate was that the person feeding Rather the documents was a disgruntled Republican, but that's no nevermind. (Also, it's not clear to me the extent to which "the Democrats" were behind this, but I'll let that go.)
Second, I thought you were talking about campaign commercials. (You guys never ever stick to the point.) In terms of campaign commercials, Republicans have been the winners, hands down.
Starting with Nixon and his masters of dirty tricks -- who can forget the "Canuck letter":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Segretti
Of course, there was Willie Horton ad devised by Lee Atwater (who on his deathbed renounced his role in developing the political strategies that were so low and dirty):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater
There were the push polls that destroyed McCain's chances in South Carolina, devised by none other than Karl Rove:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll
And of course, the totally fabricated and misleading Swift Boat ads that even Bush had to disavow:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5797164/
And this season's ads -- playing to racist and sexist assumptions in Tennessee to fight off Harold Ford:
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2006/10/gop-aims-sleazy-blonde-bimbo-ad-at.html
And my favorite -- the ad about the aide to a candidate for Congress who dialed an 800 number that was a sex phone line. Except he didn't do that at all.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003286540
And this is just off the top of my head. And all you've got is Dan Rather's fake memos?
It's true that Democrats play dirty politics, but let's face it -- this is something the Republicans have perfected. Because all they really care about is power.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
your just kidding yourself if you think only republicans are about power. that characteristic goes for any politician.
I don't know, the Democrats seemed to play fairly dirty in Chicago for years
Evil geniouses.
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
All politicians are corrupt. Ho hum. Yawn.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
I cant argue with someone who is so liberal. any ad you see bashing republicans, no matter how dirty or wrong, you deem it a masterpiece. you are a pro at using google and wikipedia, i got it. its a waste of time to try to explain to you that both political parties play dirty during election time. you'll never agree, which is sad.
Oh, but Bill Clinton lost money in a tangled land deal and then got a blow job in the oval office, and that's WAY worse than Haliburton employees getting $150,000 to do jobs that our troops do for such lousy wages that their families have to get food stamps.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
see post #88. any example I give you will just agree with and not see it as bad. good clean politics from the democrats. was it you who called clinton God? maybe that was someone else
perfect example why its impossible to debate with such far leftys. in your eyes liberals can do NO wrong. you lay out in complete detail, the bad things republicans do but when it comes to clinton it was just some "minor land deal" and getting a blow job in office. i mean who doesnt like a good blow job at work? it wasnt the blow job that got him in trouble, it was lying under oath about it that got him impeached. minor detail you left out. and maybe some of this too....
http://www.io.com/~cjburke/clinton/clinatoz.html
It would just help your cause if Republicans would acknowledge they are wrong every now and again. You guys are about to loose both the House and Senate and still can't admit that the country is going in the wrong direction.
Normal debate as I see it.
R: Ahh stupid liberal, go hug a tree...
Yep, you have it nailed. You are so smart. So much smarter than those dummy conservatives.
I am registered Republican and never said they were stupid. I implied the current ones who are in control of Congress and the White House are too arrogant to admit they made some mistakes and it's going to cost them this election.
That's not how your post read, sorry. I agree with your above statement.
Oh man, why don't you go with a reliable source. Why on Earth should I believe what Christopher J. Burke has to say, he's just one man who decided to make a webpage. That isn't very credible at all...
Sarcasm
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
you got me all wrong buddy. im not a republican. if the democrats can tell me what security strategy that have or how they stand on a few issues, I will probably vote democrat. unless hilary runs.
I try to call it like i see it. I am not firmly on one side unlike most people here.