Obama says we need to "spread the wealth around"

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unsung wrote:

Kettle, meet pot.

Really? How so?

Milhouse VanHouten

prytoj wrote:

ehhh, okay. but if you are calling for facts I'm surprised you have none. I'm okay either way, I know what's up.

And my first reaction was "splitting hairs"

Barry has more money overall. I couldn't find demographic breakdowns.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006424#bli

VictoryGin

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

First of all, they really don't. They listen to one thing, and that thing is money. Lots of groups advocate for patient rights, but they simply don't have the money to match the pharma and insurance interests. I'm not saying that Obama doesn't listen to money, but you're insane if you think that McCain doesn't, either.

Incidentally, which candidate has received more money in small amounts from more individual donors than anyone in the history of American politics?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10223.html

The article is from May.

"Altogether, Obama's campaign has taken in an unprecedented $226 million, most of it contributed online. His donor base is larger than the one the Democratic National Committee had for the 2000 election.

These are hardly political fat cats. Ninety percent of his donors give $100 or less, and 41 percent have given $25 or less, according to the Obama campaign. Overall, he has raised 45 percent of his money in small contributions. Hillary Rodham Clinton's figure is 30 percent, Republican John McCain's is 23 percent."

facts are in the tank.

prytoj

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

Barry has more money overall. I couldn't find demographic breakdowns.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006424#bli

while I couldn't find "that "$430+ mil" figure" right off hand, the difference is clearly substantial

thanks for keeping an open mind...cause it's all about lookin' out for eachother, right?

An Obama presidency is unacceptable.

prytoj

"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."

just saw that, new best laugh of the day.

Milhouse VanHouten

VictoryGin wrote:

facts are in the tank.

It's a BIG FUCKING TANK. Even Mike Dukakis and his goofy helmet are welcome. Get in, motherfuckers!

An Obama presidency is preferable.

VictoryGin

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

It's a BIG FUCKING TANK. Even Mike Dukakis and his goofy helmet are welcome. Get in, motherfuckers!

An Obama presidency is preferable.

are floaties allowed in the tank?

Milhouse VanHouten

VictoryGin wrote:

are floaties allowed in the tank?

All Obama-sanctioned flotation devices are welcome in the tank. Arm floaties, donuts, etc. You must donate $430 million to Obama for America in order to gain admission to the tank, though.

prytoj

i'll call it a night with some trivia. GUess who said it:

“I think he (obama) can be ready but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.”

anyone? how 'bout this one:

"I would be honored to run with or against John McCain because I think the country would be better off."

anyone?

Correct, Senator Joe Biden! on national TV no less!
even he dont think "an Obama presidency is preferable" how can you?
c'mon, spin it!
maybe NOW Obama's ready, maybe Biden changed his mind, is that...wait....flip-flopping? we HATE flip floppers 'round these here parts!

Biden is only along for the ride, don't fool yourself.
Vote with your head, not your heart. Look at the record.

Anon

don't let the bed bugs bite...

Milhouse VanHouten

prytoj wrote:

i'll call it a night with some trivia. GUess who said it:

“I think he (obama) can be ready but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.”

anyone? how 'bout this one:

"I would be honored to run with or against John McCain because I think the country would be better off."

anyone?

Correct, Senator Joe Biden! on national TV no less!
even he dont think "an Obama presidency is preferable" how can you?
c'mon, spin it!
maybe NOW Obama's ready, maybe Biden changed his mind, is that...wait....flip-flopping? we HATE flip floppers 'round these here parts!

Biden is only along for the ride, don't fool yourself.
Vote with your head, not your heart. Look at the record.

Palin's not along for the ride? She didn't even know she was in the running for vp until 6 weeks ago. She didn't even know what the vp's job was. Barry's proven he's ready by defeating the Clintons in a LOOOONG primary campaign. McCain's proven he's ready by playing possum until the bunch of worthless mopes ahead of him were eliminated by the electorate. He sure looked presidential during last week's financial shitstorm, didn't he? He "suspended" his campaign so he could go back to "Warshington" and fart around until it was over.

prytoj

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

Palin's not along for the ride? She didn't even know she was in the running for vp until 6 weeks ago. She didn't even know what the vp's job was. Barry's proven he's ready by defeating the Clintons in a LOOOONG primary campaign. McCain's proven he's ready by playing possum until the bunch of worthless mopes ahead of him were eliminated by the electorate. He sure looked presidential during last week's financial shitstorm, didn't he? He "suspended" his campaign so he could go back to "Warshington" and fart around until it was over.

countering facts with some nonsesicle subjective garbage does't help you a who lot. Looking at the facts will. Let's put our heads together and figure this thing out.

Obama has:

more corporate money FACT
worse friends FACT
less record of meaningful change FACT
less record of service FACT
less experience FACT
less knowledge FACT
a running mate who thinks HE would be a better president than the nominee. FACT
less resistance to the establishment, aggregate on record FACT


what, better speeches? You think just because he's YOUNG he's gonna shake it up? Sure. go ahead, have some. But if you look at the facts you'll see this just is not likely.

we've covered all these issues tonight, so give it a look over.
we have to choose the BEST candidate, the one who is MORE inclined to provide for the common good.
keep at it (I almost typed "a tit"), I'll get back to you tomorrow night.

prytoj

it's so crazy too, becasue even if the old man craoks, Palin STILL has OBAMA canned on all these fronts. I mean, not a whole lot in parts. but cooooome onnn. een if you think it's close the other way.

beachdweller

unsung wrote:

The redistribution of wealth is why people don't want him. Why should we work harder so those on welfare can continue to be funded? Communism must be making a comeback.

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/195153.html

the republicans have redistributed wealth the last 7 years, the gap between the middle class and wealthy is much wider, Obama's bringing it back the other way.

know1

scb wrote:

Of all these people who are suggesting that income is proprotionate to hard work, I'd like to know how many actually believe that CEOs work
500 times
harder than their employees.

Or - what's the income of the average worker in the U.S. compared to that of the average worker in a 3rd World country. Do you think our average union autoworker is being paid fairly compared to people in other countries?

It seems as if it's only unfair to people when they look up.

know1

Commy wrote:

Nader has a good idea for creating a universal health care plan. Tax corporations for pollution. Tax the stock market.

Nothing needs to change, doctors still get paid, still get their supplies, nurses still get paid. But its paid for by this tax. And anyone can go to the hospital, if they need too, everyone gets that operation.


seems pretty basic.


Or you can cut funds from our insane defense budget. The US spends more on miltary weapons and aid than the next 27 countries combined. That's all of europe, china russia COMBINED.

We have a choice as a society. We can spend our tax dollars to save lives or to take them. So far we've chosen the latter.

My plan for government funded healthcare would be for the government to cut spending on other programs in order to fund it. Why is that such an outrageous concept?

Dylan Stone

prytoj wrote:

the kids will always be taken care of, so long as the parents get them to the doctor. No good society is turning away a kid for cryin out loud.

What about the millions of kids without health insurance right in in the us?

What about those who lose parents due to a lack of healthcare? Without healthcare people DIE. How is that taking care of the kid? No parent left to take them to a doctor then, huh?

What about those parents that are too sick, over-worked and and/or not even home... because they are workng too hard to make sure their kid has food in their belly... or to make an enormous health insurance premium... to notice the kid is at-risk, sick or in need of help with their school-work or emotional needs?

Ever fly in a plane??

If the parent doesn't have their needs met first (the emergency oxygen flow??) they will not be in a position to effectively care for their children. THEREFORE... One can conclude that in order to effectively care for the children... parents too need to have affordable health care and other services available to them. NO????????

NMyTree

unsung wrote:

Sure no problem, I'll pay for that. First off they must NEVER be able to accept government welfare again. No food stamps, no free health care. NOTHING. They are subject to random drug tests as well. No second chances for offenders.

I'm sick of paying for those that are nothing but human leeches.

Okay, I also don't like the Welfare For Leeches Programs. I'm with you on that.

But I also want to severe all corporate influence and ties to our government and completely severe any Corporate Welfare.

Furthermore, I want all laws, policies and regulations that were changed for the financial gain of corporations (starting with the insurance/health care industry and the financial indistry), to be re-thought, changed to favor the citizens of this country (you know...us the "consumers") and regulated.

I want Welfare For Israel to immediately cease and I want Israel to pay back the money we have given them. A monthly payment arrangement is fine.

I want any money we have given to any country, returned to us.....The People of the United States Of America. That's right, a real nice check to every man and woman who has been gainfully employed for the better part of the last 30 years

I want the jerk-offs of the last three Administrations to pay the citizens of the USA back the money they have been stealing form us......for the last 30 years.

I want the election process completely changed. No corporation and no Special Interest Group will be permited to donate money to a politicians campaign or have any form of influence, whatsoever. I want it illegal and with severe penalties/punishments.


That 849 Billion dollar Bailout.......I'm not paying one single penny towards bailing those fuckers out. Stadiums....Arenas......Racetracks, fuck you!

Corporate developement.......I ain't paying a fuckin' penny in tax money!

I'm not paying a single penny for any of that. And all the other bullshit corporate welfare that they sink their fangs into my paycheck, for.

Social Security? Let the politicians, Congressmen/women and members of the Administrations from the last 30-40 years return the money they stole from Social Security and keep their grubby little hands out of it!

I want every Corporate Parasite that has sucked the blood of american citizens, to be forced to pay us, the people, back the money they stole from us.

NMyTree

A few more stipulations.

I want the US Goverment/IRS to pay back Tax Return Money with exactly the same amount of interest and late fees.... they themselves charge american citizens, when they are late in paying their taxes.

Any money the IRS/US Government takes from my paycheck/salary which is not paid/returned to me within a 90 day period; will be considered late and be subjected to late fees and IRS standardized interest rates.

I want a generous percentage of any subsidiary money which is given directly to, or that benfits any given corporate entity that turns a profit; to be paid back to the citizens of the united states. Starting with their immediate local communities and then through out each respective corporation's distribution and sales region.

unsung

Since you are on a roll I'd like to add one more myself.


TERM LIMITS on everyone. Two consecutive terms, that is it. No more of these 40 year Senators, 20 year corrupt Mayors, take it all the way down to the parking lot committee where you work.