Obama says we need to "spread the wealth around"

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  • prytoj wrote:
    i'll call it a night with some trivia. GUess who said it:

    “I think he (obama) can be ready but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.”

    anyone? how 'bout this one:

    "I would be honored to run with or against John McCain because I think the country would be better off."

    anyone?

    Correct, Senator Joe Biden! on national TV no less!
    even he dont think "an Obama presidency is preferable" how can you?
    c'mon, spin it!
    maybe NOW Obama's ready, maybe Biden changed his mind, is that...wait....flip-flopping? we HATE flip floppers 'round these here parts!

    Biden is only along for the ride, don't fool yourself.
    Vote with your head, not your heart. Look at the record.

    Palin's not along for the ride? She didn't even know she was in the running for vp until 6 weeks ago. She didn't even know what the vp's job was. Barry's proven he's ready by defeating the Clintons in a LOOOONG primary campaign. McCain's proven he's ready by playing possum until the bunch of worthless mopes ahead of him were eliminated by the electorate. He sure looked presidential during last week's financial shitstorm, didn't he? He "suspended" his campaign so he could go back to "Warshington" and fart around until it was over.
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  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    Palin's not along for the ride? She didn't even know she was in the running for vp until 6 weeks ago. She didn't even know what the vp's job was. Barry's proven he's ready by defeating the Clintons in a LOOOONG primary campaign. McCain's proven he's ready by playing possum until the bunch of worthless mopes ahead of him were eliminated by the electorate. He sure looked presidential during last week's financial shitstorm, didn't he? He "suspended" his campaign so he could go back to "Warshington" and fart around until it was over.

    countering facts with some nonsesicle subjective garbage does't help you a who lot. Looking at the facts will. Let's put our heads together and figure this thing out.

    Obama has:

    more corporate money FACT
    worse friends FACT
    less record of meaningful change FACT
    less record of service FACT
    less experience FACT
    less knowledge FACT
    a running mate who thinks HE would be a better president than the nominee. FACT
    less resistance to the establishment, aggregate on record FACT


    what, better speeches? You think just because he's YOUNG he's gonna shake it up? Sure. go ahead, have some. But if you look at the facts you'll see this just is not likely.

    we've covered all these issues tonight, so give it a look over.
    we have to choose the BEST candidate, the one who is MORE inclined to provide for the common good.
    keep at it (I almost typed "a tit"), I'll get back to you tomorrow night.
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    it's so crazy too, becasue even if the old man craoks, Palin STILL has OBAMA canned on all these fronts. I mean, not a whole lot in parts. but cooooome onnn. een if you think it's close the other way.
  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    unsung wrote:
    The redistribution of wealth is why people don't want him. Why should we work harder so those on welfare can continue to be funded? Communism must be making a comeback.

    http://www.breitbart.tv/html/195153.html

    the republicans have redistributed wealth the last 7 years, the gap between the middle class and wealthy is much wider, Obama's bringing it back the other way.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    scb wrote:
    Of all these people who are suggesting that income is proprotionate to hard work, I'd like to know how many actually believe that CEOs work
    500 times
    harder than their employees.

    Or - what's the income of the average worker in the U.S. compared to that of the average worker in a 3rd World country. Do you think our average union autoworker is being paid fairly compared to people in other countries?

    It seems as if it's only unfair to people when they look up.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Commy wrote:
    Nader has a good idea for creating a universal health care plan. Tax corporations for pollution. Tax the stock market.

    Nothing needs to change, doctors still get paid, still get their supplies, nurses still get paid. But its paid for by this tax. And anyone can go to the hospital, if they need too, everyone gets that operation.


    seems pretty basic.


    Or you can cut funds from our insane defense budget. The US spends more on miltary weapons and aid than the next 27 countries combined. That's all of europe, china russia COMBINED.

    We have a choice as a society. We can spend our tax dollars to save lives or to take them. So far we've chosen the latter.

    My plan for government funded healthcare would be for the government to cut spending on other programs in order to fund it. Why is that such an outrageous concept?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Dylan StoneDylan Stone Posts: 1,145
    prytoj wrote:
    the kids will always be taken care of, so long as the parents get them to the doctor. No good society is turning away a kid for cryin out loud.

    What about the millions of kids without health insurance right in in the us?

    What about those who lose parents due to a lack of healthcare? Without healthcare people DIE. How is that taking care of the kid? No parent left to take them to a doctor then, huh?

    What about those parents that are too sick, over-worked and and/or not even home... because they are workng too hard to make sure their kid has food in their belly... or to make an enormous health insurance premium... to notice the kid is at-risk, sick or in need of help with their school-work or emotional needs?

    Ever fly in a plane??

    If the parent doesn't have their needs met first (the emergency oxygen flow??) they will not be in a position to effectively care for their children. THEREFORE... One can conclude that in order to effectively care for the children... parents too need to have affordable health care and other services available to them. NO????????
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    unsung wrote:
    Sure no problem, I'll pay for that. First off they must NEVER be able to accept government welfare again. No food stamps, no free health care. NOTHING. They are subject to random drug tests as well. No second chances for offenders.

    I'm sick of paying for those that are nothing but human leeches.


    Okay, I also don't like the Welfare For Leeches Programs. I'm with you on that.

    But I also want to severe all corporate influence and ties to our government and completely severe any Corporate Welfare.

    Furthermore, I want all laws, policies and regulations that were changed for the financial gain of corporations (starting with the insurance/health care industry and the financial indistry), to be re-thought, changed to favor the citizens of this country (you know...us the "consumers") and regulated.

    I want Welfare For Israel to immediately cease and I want Israel to pay back the money we have given them. A monthly payment arrangement is fine.

    I want any money we have given to any country, returned to us.....The People of the United States Of America. That's right, a real nice check to every man and woman who has been gainfully employed for the better part of the last 30 years

    I want the jerk-offs of the last three Administrations to pay the citizens of the USA back the money they have been stealing form us......for the last 30 years.

    I want the election process completely changed. No corporation and no Special Interest Group will be permited to donate money to a politicians campaign or have any form of influence, whatsoever. I want it illegal and with severe penalties/punishments.


    That 849 Billion dollar Bailout.......I'm not paying one single penny towards bailing those fuckers out. Stadiums....Arenas......Racetracks, fuck you!

    Corporate developement.......I ain't paying a fuckin' penny in tax money!

    I'm not paying a single penny for any of that. And all the other bullshit corporate welfare that they sink their fangs into my paycheck, for.

    Social Security? Let the politicians, Congressmen/women and members of the Administrations from the last 30-40 years return the money they stole from Social Security and keep their grubby little hands out of it!

    I want every Corporate Parasite that has sucked the blood of american citizens, to be forced to pay us, the people, back the money they stole from us.
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    A few more stipulations.

    I want the US Goverment/IRS to pay back Tax Return Money with exactly the same amount of interest and late fees.... they themselves charge american citizens, when they are late in paying their taxes.

    Any money the IRS/US Government takes from my paycheck/salary which is not paid/returned to me within a 90 day period; will be considered late and be subjected to late fees and IRS standardized interest rates.

    I want a generous percentage of any subsidiary money which is given directly to, or that benfits any given corporate entity that turns a profit; to be paid back to the citizens of the united states. Starting with their immediate local communities and then through out each respective corporation's distribution and sales region.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Since you are on a roll I'd like to add one more myself.


    TERM LIMITS on everyone. Two consecutive terms, that is it. No more of these 40 year Senators, 20 year corrupt Mayors, take it all the way down to the parking lot committee where you work.
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    unsung wrote:
    Since you are on a roll I'd like to add one more myself.


    TERM LIMITS on everyone. Two consecutive terms, that is it. No more of these 40 year Senators, 20 year corrupt Mayors, take it all the way down to the parking lot committee where you work.


    Absolutely.

    As well as a complete over-haul of Congress and a new laws for a transparent government.

    The government answers to the people......the citizens of the USA!
  • prytoj wrote:
    countering facts with some nonsesicle subjective garbage does't help you a who lot. Looking at the facts will. Let's put our heads together and figure this thing out..

    What part of my post was 'nonsensical'? Let's not put our heads together.
    prytoj wrote:

    Obama has:

    more corporate money FACT
    worse friends FACT
    less record of meaningful change FACT
    less record of service FACT
    less experience FACT
    less knowledge FACT
    a running mate who thinks HE would be a better president than the nominee. FACT
    less resistance to the establishment, aggregate on record FACT

    Ending every bullet with "FACT" doesn't make them true. FACT.

    I've already agreed with you on the corporate money point, but you don't seem to be able to follow my point that Obama's raised more money across the board.

    Worse friends? If you're getting upset about Wright, I assume you're also disturbed that McCain actively sought out the endorsement of John Hagee.

    Meaningful change? Tell me about the long list of meaningful changes John McCain has brought about during his 25+ years in Washington, please.

    I'll give you 'record of service'. McCain's 25 years older than Obama.

    Record of experience? No. No one can be 'ready to be president' before taking office. McCain has spent the last two decades enjoying a safe senate seat. He's got roughly as much executive experience as Barack Obama.

    "Less knowledge"? How do you figure? IQ test? Academic record?

    EVERY vp choice who was a primary opponent of the nominee thinks he/she would be a better president.

    Resistance to the establishment? He's reversed himself on every "Mavericky" thing he's ever done except for campaign finance.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • Dylan StoneDylan Stone Posts: 1,145
    NMyTree wrote:

    The government answers to the people......the citizens of the USA!

    ha ha ha

    best post in this thread

    what a fucking disaster area this country has become

    "for the citicorps by the exxon-mobils"


    :mad:
  • pjfan020pjfan020 Posts: 426
    would you say that supplying the government with $700 billion to bail out greedy CEO's and wall street companies is spreading the wealth around? My wealth just went to pay for the gift of greed and now what? people are gonna start bitching when their gonna get taxed higher? Wake up here, BOTH men signed a bill that covered RICH and i'll say it again RICH men's asses..not the middle class. So neither candidate will ever be clean on this issue of unfairly distributing money.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    unsung wrote:
    The redistribution of wealth is why people don't want him. Why should we work harder so those on welfare can continue to be funded? Communism must be making a comeback.

    http://www.breitbart.tv/html/195153.html
    I'm pretty sure he's not a fan of welfare..

    Back in my moderate Republican days I would have totally agreed with you..

    Unfortunately, for every person milking the system for all its worth, there's a person making way more money than they deserve or have earned..


    Seriously dude, if you make more than 250k a year, you can afford to give a little more.. if not, you need to learn about GREED.

    This world is only full of so many resources.. I agree if you work hard, you should earn more, but to what proportion?

    There's people who have more money than they'll ever spend.. they horde it, while other are starving to death.

    Communism is a GREAT idea, unfortunately it doesn't work, but we can make some sacrifices..




    At at some point, in an economy, if you DO NOT SPREAD WEALTH, the wealth becomes worthless. That's why our economy is failing now.

    Look at the basics of an economy. Back to when it was a one person economy.. you hunted for food, or you died. Like I said, sure there are leachers, but there are also people who play with money and economics and make waaay more than they contribute to an economy.
  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    know1 wrote:
    Or - what's the income of the average worker in the U.S. compared to that of the average worker in a 3rd World country. Do you think our average union autoworker is being paid fairly compared to people in other countries?

    It seems as if it's only unfair to people when they look up.
    Well, the living expenses in a Third World country is much cheaper than here, so comparing an American worker to a worker in Cambodia is irrelevant.

    You can buy and built a house with $7,000 USD over in a Third World country.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

    Seriously dude, if you make more than 250k a year, you can afford to give a little more.. if not, you need to learn about GREED.



    I do give, to charities to my choice. I don't need another politician deciding which of his pet projects or base constituents more of my money should go to.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    unsung wrote:
    I do give, to charities to my choice. I don't need another politician deciding which of his pet projects or base constituents more of my money should go to.
    since, in most cases, labor helps that individual make that $250,000, I think they should have at least some say in where that money goes.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    pjfan020 wrote:
    would you say that supplying the government with $700 billion to bail out greedy CEO's and wall street companies is spreading the wealth around? My wealth just went to pay for the gift of greed and now what? people are gonna start bitching when their gonna get taxed higher? Wake up here, BOTH men signed a bill that covered RICH and i'll say it again RICH men's asses..not the middle class. So neither candidate will ever be clean on this issue of unfairly distributing money.


    This is pretty much the biggest reason I am voting against both of them....as well as against every Senator and Representative that I can who voted for it.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    LongRd. wrote:
    Well, the living expenses in a Third World country is much cheaper than here, so comparing an American worker to a worker in Cambodia is irrelevant.

    You can buy and built a house with $7,000 USD over in a Third World country.

    The living expenses in NYC are much higher than Po-Dunk Missouri....yet the Federal tax rates are the same for both.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Seriously dude, if you make more than 250k a year, you can afford to give a little more.. if not, you need to learn about GREED.

    Again, if you make more than $10K you're richer than about 80% of the people in the world so you can afford to give a little more as well.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    Again, if you make more than $10K you're richer than about 80% of the people in the world so you can afford to give a little more as well.


    its all relative though... $10K (£5k) in a third world country will go a long way. it doesnt in the US i presume... it also means £100 a week here in the UK... that might cover your rent? maybe? but you'd need to drink your own boiled urine and eat dust to survive therafter.

    its relative to your surroundings surely
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    dunkman wrote:
    its all relative though... $10K (£5k) in a third world country will go a long way. it doesnt in the US i presume... it also means £100 a week here in the UK... that might cover your rent? maybe? but you'd need to drink your own boiled urine and eat dust to survive therafter.

    its relative to your surroundings surely

    Right, so our money goes a lot farther if we give it to help those that REALLY need it.

    My point is that wealth is relative. It seems most people favor redistribution of wealth as long as the cut-off point for those that have to give more lies somewhere above their own financial status. But for those of us on this board, there are far more people below us in this world than there are above us.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • evenkatevenkat Posts: 380
    I think what Obama was talking about is he wants to increase taxes on the ones who make over $250,000 so he can decrease taxes on the middle class or those who make less than $250,000...spreading the wealth around. By doing so it would put more money into the pockets of the middle class so they can use it to put it back into the economy, which in the long run will help businesses large and small...spreading the wealth around again.
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  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    know1 wrote:
    This is pretty much the biggest reason I am voting against both of them....as well as against every Senator and Representative that I can who voted for it.

    I cant believe I am agreeing with you, but your fna right.

    I will be protest voting all reps who voted this bill through.
  • Drew263Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    evenkat wrote:
    I think what Obama was talking about is he wants to increase taxes on the ones who make over $250,000 so he can decrease taxes on the middle class or those who make less than $250,000...spreading the wealth around. By doing so it would put more money into the pockets of the middle class so they can use it to put it back into the economy, which in the long run will help businesses large and small...spreading the wealth around again.


    A tax cut (which is the term he loves to use) is not the same as a tax credit...which is what he's actually proposing. He's not going to take less money out of my paycheck, therefore it's bs to call it a tax cut.

    But....people that love handouts are fooled.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    prytoj wrote:
    I cant believe I am agreeing with you, but your fna right.

    I will be protest voting all reps who voted this bill through.

    I actually took the time to write my Senators and Representatives prior to the vote and told them I would be voting against them if they voted for it. I also said I would tell everyone who would listen to do the same. They don't care about me, though. I wasn't one of the people lining their pockets with money and perks while begging for them to bail me out.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    evenkat wrote:
    I think what Obama was talking about is he wants to increase taxes on the ones who make over $250,000 so he can decrease taxes on the middle class or those who make less than $250,000...spreading the wealth around. By doing so it would put more money into the pockets of the middle class so they can use it to put it back into the economy, which in the long run will help businesses large and small...spreading the wealth around again.


    thats exactly the way the media have described it over here. :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    LongRd. wrote:
    Well, the living expenses in a Third World country is much cheaper than here, so comparing an American worker to a worker in Cambodia is irrelevant.

    You can buy and built a house with $7,000 USD over in a Third World country.

    you could probably build the same exact house in the US for the same amount of money as you could in a 3rd world country. but as you know keeping up with the joneses, and even bettering them, is a bitch. :D
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  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    know1 wrote:
    I actually took the time to write my Senators and Representatives prior to the vote and told them I would be voting against them if they voted for it. I also said I would tell everyone who would listen to do the same. They don't care about me, though. I wasn't one of the people lining their pockets with money and perks while begging for them to bail me out.

    got you confused with kann, sry.

    I called every line to the reps, they were ALL full voice mail :-)
    so I faxed them. Watching Cspan - universal rejection of the plan by the people.

    They deliberately ignored our will on this issue
    They dabased the currency to help only those responsible for the problem

    We need to vote them all out before they come after us for another .7 large.
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