Obama says we need to "spread the wealth around"

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prytoj wrote:

The three friends from England that I know would adamantly disagree with you. either way, I would take money from my parents sooner than I'd take it from the gub'ment. But I'm proud, excuse me. Just that simple.

I think when you have children who need medical care, pride does/should not factor in.

SundaySilence

Half of all bankruptcies are at least partially due to health care expenses.

Obi Once

My family, friends and me are pretty happy with the healthcare system we have here.

But coming back to the original post, I agree people with the highest income can pay more to help those at the bottom and I think it's not that it's the working people who will pay for the lazy people. More equality in regards to income and social position increase chances for a good education and a healthier life. It's a strange idea that a small group of people have more than they can ever spend, while hard working people all around us never make ends meet.

Even in 'social' Europe nothing comes for free, but there are systems in place to ensure more and equal chances for all.

So yea I agree "spread the wealth around"

_Crazy_Mary_

dmitry wrote:

obese parasites for obama 08

This is hilarious! I want a Tshirt with this on it

prytoj

Obi Once wrote:

I think it's not that it's the working people who will pay for the lazy people. More equality in regards to income and social position increase chances for a good education and a healthier life.

you're serious aren't you? Going to school, paying attention, being a good person, and working hard are the ONLY way to get that equality.

You got sold a bill o' goods, my man. You get boots with straps...it's called education...now pull yourself up! Your public education is the only start you need. Some get more, but that's not their fault. If I want what they want, I'll go get it myself, thanks.

know1

SundaySilence wrote:

Half of all bankruptcies are at least partially due to health care expenses.

At least we live in a country where bankruptcy is an option.

Obi Once

prytoj wrote:

you're serious aren't you? Going to school, paying attention, being a good person, and working hard are the ONLY way to get that equality.

You got sold a bill o' goods, my man. You get boots with straps...it's called education...now pull yourself up! Your public education is the only start you need. Some get more, but that's not their fault. If I want what they want, I'll go get it myself, thanks.

So the social standing of your family, the neighborhood you live in, the food you can afford, the schools available to you have nothing to do with the chances you get further on in life? You believe in an American dream available to those who can afford it.

prytoj

Obi Once wrote:

So the social standing of your family, the neighborhood you live in, the food you can afford, the schools available to you have nothing to do with the chances you get further on in life? You believe in an American dream available to those who can afford it.

last I checked, school was still free...you can even get grants, scholarships, and loans if you want even more school. You can be pretty much anybody and get this stuff. just ask me.

An no, I believe that the strength of the family unit you came up in is more important than all of that. But even that can be overcome with just a LITLLE effort. Just ask me.

For example, I don't care how bad your school system is. If you pull grades and can pull an average SAT score, you get to go to college. Period. Maybe not Pratt, but is Cal State Fullerton so bad? No SAT score? No grades? How about Community College? Tech School? there are good jobs availiable for people coming from these places as well. And you don't have to pay for it until after you graduate. Just ask me.

Life is hard, it rewards those who overcome obstacles. Not those who make a bunch of excuses. That's a life truth. get used to it. Just ask me.

Commy

Nader has a good idea for creating a universal health care plan. Tax corporations for pollution. Tax the stock market.

Nothing needs to change, doctors still get paid, still get their supplies, nurses still get paid. But its paid for by this tax. And anyone can go to the hospital, if they need too, everyone gets that operation.


seems pretty basic.


Or you can cut funds from our insane defense budget. The US spends more on miltary weapons and aid than the next 27 countries combined. That's all of europe, china russia COMBINED.

We have a choice as a society. We can spend our tax dollars to save lives or to take them. So far we've chosen the latter.

Commy

unsung wrote:

The redistribution of wealth is why people don't want him. Why should we work harder so those on welfare can continue to be funded? Communism must be making a comeback.

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/195153.html

latley wealth is being concentrated at the top. The distribution of wealth in the US has reached levels not seen since 1920, those great Depression years.

Minumum wage hasnt' gone up in relation to inflation since 1970. Social security tax, a tax the majority of Americans pay most of their taxes through-is regressive. CEO's have seen exponential increases in pay, in the last 10 years. The middle and lower class have gone the other way.

The rich have already taken from us, we just want it back. Redistribution of wealth, hell yeah.

prytoj

Commy wrote:

Nader has a good idea for creating a universal health care plan. Tax corporations for pollution. Tax the stock market.

Nothing needs to change, doctors still get paid, still get their supplies, nurses still get paid. But its paid for by this tax. And anyone can go to the hospital, if they need too, everyone gets that operation.


seems pretty basic.


Or you can cut funds from our insane defense budget. The US spends more on miltary weapons and aid than the next 27 countries combined. That's all of europe, china russia COMBINED.

We have a choice as a society. We can spend our tax dollars to save lives or to take them. So far we've chosen the latter.

Naders plan for taxing pollution and taxing the stock market would be a total disaster.

but I wouldn't mind seeing a little more prudence from the Defense Dept.

prytoj

scb wrote:

I think when you have children who need medical care, pride does/should not factor in.

the kids will always be taken care of, so long as the parents get them to the doctor. No good society is turning away a kid for cryin out loud.

OffHeGoes29

There is absolutely nothing stopping some one from getting a good education and a well paying job in this country. You can't even use race or sex as an reason any more, there are more opportunities today for progression, people just don't want to put the effort in. You can't live the "American dream" or any dream for that matter working in go no where job, thats the reality of it. Don't be upset because you can't buy anything with your min. wage job, you can't support yourself on that. Call it what you like, but someone who put the years of work into college and makes a good earning at their job should get more out of life then the person that makes min. wage. That the reality of it, its the haves and have nots, you don't like it, go to school or get into a trade. There is no reason why people who earned their spot in life should be punished because a percentage of the country, for what ever reason, can't advance.

I'm not saying every one is like that, but there are a lot of people out there content to not put any effort into their situation and bitch about how the government isn't doing enough to give them more. This is how this country works, and there isn't anything wrong with it.


THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING YOU BACK. DON'T BLAME THE GOVERNMENT AND THE RICH FOR YOUR PROBLEMS.

prytoj

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

There is absolutely nothing stopping some one from getting a good education and a well paying job in this country. You can't even use race or sex as an reason any more, there are more opportunities today for progression, people just don't want to put the effort in. You can't live the "American dream" or any dream for that matter working in go no where job, thats the reality of it. Don't be upset because you can't buy anything with your min. wage job, you can't support yourself on that. Call it what you like, but someone who put the years of work into college and makes a good earning at their job should get more out of life then the person that makes min. wage. That the reality of it, its the haves and have nots, you don't like it, go to school or get into a trade. There is no reason why people who earned their spot in life should be punished because a percentage of the country, for what ever reason, can't advance.

I'm not saying every one is like that, but there are a lot of people out there content to not put any effort into their situation and bitch about how the government isn't doing enough to give them more. This is how this country works, and there isn't anything wrong with it.


THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING YOU BACK. DON'T BLAME THE GOVERNMENT AND THE RICH FOR YOUR PROBLEMS.

another patriot...awesome!

jeffbr

Commy wrote:

Redistribution of wealth, hell yeah.

So you aren't opposed to government theft and coercion, then? The only way redistribution can take place is by looting as is currently done today. The looters give gov't the mandate to steal our money through the threat of violence.

unsung

Cosmo wrote:

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Not to worry... no one cares about your chump change annual income in the big picture.

Well I don't make chump change, and I care about it so that is all that matters.

MattyJoe

unsung wrote:

Give them money?

How about earn it?

YES!!!

Obi Once

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

There is absolutely nothing stopping some one from getting a good education and a well paying job in this country. You can't even use race or sex as an reason any more, there are more opportunities today for progression, people just don't want to put the effort in. You can't live the "American dream" or any dream for that matter working in go no where job, thats the reality of it. Don't be upset because you can't buy anything with your min. wage job, you can't support yourself on that. Call it what you like, but someone who put the years of work into college and makes a good earning at their job should get more out of life then the person that makes min. wage. That the reality of it, its the haves and have nots, you don't like it, go to school or get into a trade. There is no reason why people who earned their spot in life should be punished because a percentage of the country, for what ever reason, can't advance.

It's more than fair that if you work hard or very innovative or whatever special skill you have acquired you could earn more, but spreading the wealth does not include some communist rule you can't, it means investing in education and scholarships and a healthcare plan for everybody to name some examples.

There's more than enough money to have less people living in poverty.

MattyJoe

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

There is absolutely nothing stopping some one from getting a good education and a well paying job in this country. You can't even use race or sex as an reason any more, there are more opportunities today for progression, people just don't want to put the effort in. You can't live the "American dream" or any dream for that matter working in go no where job, thats the reality of it. Don't be upset because you can't buy anything with your min. wage job, you can't support yourself on that. Call it what you like, but someone who put the years of work into college and makes a good earning at their job should get more out of life then the person that makes min. wage. That the reality of it, its the haves and have nots, you don't like it, go to school or get into a trade. There is no reason why people who earned their spot in life should be punished because a percentage of the country, for what ever reason, can't advance.

I'm not saying every one is like that, but there are a lot of people out there content to not put any effort into their situation and bitch about how the government isn't doing enough to give them more. This is how this country works, and there isn't anything wrong with it.


THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING YOU BACK. DON'T BLAME THE GOVERNMENT AND THE RICH FOR YOUR PROBLEMS.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU!

OffHeGoes29

Commy wrote:

latley wealth is being concentrated at the top. The distribution of wealth in the US has reached levels not seen since 1920, those great Depression years.

Minumum wage hasnt' gone up in relation to inflation since 1970. Social security tax, a tax the majority of Americans pay most of their taxes through-is regressive. CEO's have seen exponential increases in pay, in the last 10 years. The middle and lower class have gone the other way.

The rich have already taken from us, we just want it back. Redistribution of wealth, hell yeah.

Socialism/Communism spreads misery around equally. If you don't like it, become a CEO. And what facts show the middle class going the other way?

All I see is people buying shit they don't need, living in large houses beyond their means, charging everything with loans and credit cards. The lower, middle, and upper class is all the same, wanting more then they can afford. That’s why we are in the mess we are in. How many people here have outstanding debt, in terms of credit cards or new cars loans with high interest rates? Only a year ago you saw trucks and SUVs in record numbers consuming gas here in the US, and you wonder why our prices went up? Because they know we will pay for it. We seen what greed did to the house market, and its not just the banks faults, it "Joe six pack" thinking he can walk into a 250K home with no kind of income to back it up.

If anything I see people going the other way, getting ahead of what they can afford, and its not the basics like food and such, it out of control spending by you average person, so much that it collapses on its self, and the only thing they have to blame are the CEO/Bankers that placated to their materialism, and the government that did nothing to stop them. We need to hold our selves accountable for this mess.

Heres a simple formula.....save more then you spend, and don't buy shit you don't need. I can't tell you how many guys my age in the military own a nice car, bike, and a home...all on 35K a year! All of it on credit. Now its coming back full circle.