Nader has a good idea for creating a universal health care plan. Tax corporations for pollution. Tax the stock market.
Nothing needs to change, doctors still get paid, still get their supplies, nurses still get paid. But its paid for by this tax. And anyone can go to the hospital, if they need too, everyone gets that operation.
seems pretty basic.
Or you can cut funds from our insane defense budget. The US spends more on miltary weapons and aid than the next 27 countries combined. That's all of europe, china russia COMBINED.
We have a choice as a society. We can spend our tax dollars to save lives or to take them. So far we've chosen the latter.
Naders plan for taxing pollution and taxing the stock market would be a total disaster.
but I wouldn't mind seeing a little more prudence from the Defense Dept.
There is absolutely nothing stopping some one from getting a good education and a well paying job in this country. You can't even use race or sex as an reason any more, there are more opportunities today for progression, people just don't want to put the effort in. You can't live the "American dream" or any dream for that matter working in go no where job, thats the reality of it. Don't be upset because you can't buy anything with your min. wage job, you can't support yourself on that. Call it what you like, but someone who put the years of work into college and makes a good earning at their job should get more out of life then the person that makes min. wage. That the reality of it, its the haves and have nots, you don't like it, go to school or get into a trade. There is no reason why people who earned their spot in life should be punished because a percentage of the country, for what ever reason, can't advance.
I'm not saying every one is like that, but there are a lot of people out there content to not put any effort into their situation and bitch about how the government isn't doing enough to give them more. This is how this country works, and there isn't anything wrong with it.
THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING YOU BACK. DON'T BLAME THE GOVERNMENT AND THE RICH FOR YOUR PROBLEMS.
There is absolutely nothing stopping some one from getting a good education and a well paying job in this country. You can't even use race or sex as an reason any more, there are more opportunities today for progression, people just don't want to put the effort in. You can't live the "American dream" or any dream for that matter working in go no where job, thats the reality of it. Don't be upset because you can't buy anything with your min. wage job, you can't support yourself on that. Call it what you like, but someone who put the years of work into college and makes a good earning at their job should get more out of life then the person that makes min. wage. That the reality of it, its the haves and have nots, you don't like it, go to school or get into a trade. There is no reason why people who earned their spot in life should be punished because a percentage of the country, for what ever reason, can't advance.
I'm not saying every one is like that, but there are a lot of people out there content to not put any effort into their situation and bitch about how the government isn't doing enough to give them more. This is how this country works, and there isn't anything wrong with it.
THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING YOU BACK. DON'T BLAME THE GOVERNMENT AND THE RICH FOR YOUR PROBLEMS.
So you aren't opposed to government theft and coercion, then? The only way redistribution can take place is by looting as is currently done today. The looters give gov't the mandate to steal our money through the threat of violence.
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There is absolutely nothing stopping some one from getting a good education and a well paying job in this country. You can't even use race or sex as an reason any more, there are more opportunities today for progression, people just don't want to put the effort in. You can't live the "American dream" or any dream for that matter working in go no where job, thats the reality of it. Don't be upset because you can't buy anything with your min. wage job, you can't support yourself on that. Call it what you like, but someone who put the years of work into college and makes a good earning at their job should get more out of life then the person that makes min. wage. That the reality of it, its the haves and have nots, you don't like it, go to school or get into a trade. There is no reason why people who earned their spot in life should be punished because a percentage of the country, for what ever reason, can't advance.
It's more than fair that if you work hard or very innovative or whatever special skill you have acquired you could earn more, but spreading the wealth does not include some communist rule you can't, it means investing in education and scholarships and a healthcare plan for everybody to name some examples.
There's more than enough money to have less people living in poverty.
There is absolutely nothing stopping some one from getting a good education and a well paying job in this country. You can't even use race or sex as an reason any more, there are more opportunities today for progression, people just don't want to put the effort in. You can't live the "American dream" or any dream for that matter working in go no where job, thats the reality of it. Don't be upset because you can't buy anything with your min. wage job, you can't support yourself on that. Call it what you like, but someone who put the years of work into college and makes a good earning at their job should get more out of life then the person that makes min. wage. That the reality of it, its the haves and have nots, you don't like it, go to school or get into a trade. There is no reason why people who earned their spot in life should be punished because a percentage of the country, for what ever reason, can't advance.
I'm not saying every one is like that, but there are a lot of people out there content to not put any effort into their situation and bitch about how the government isn't doing enough to give them more. This is how this country works, and there isn't anything wrong with it.
THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING YOU BACK. DON'T BLAME THE GOVERNMENT AND THE RICH FOR YOUR PROBLEMS.
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I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
-Reagan
latley wealth is being concentrated at the top. The distribution of wealth in the US has reached levels not seen since 1920, those great Depression years.
Minumum wage hasnt' gone up in relation to inflation since 1970. Social security tax, a tax the majority of Americans pay most of their taxes through-is regressive. CEO's have seen exponential increases in pay, in the last 10 years. The middle and lower class have gone the other way.
The rich have already taken from us, we just want it back. Redistribution of wealth, hell yeah.
Socialism/Communism spreads misery around equally. If you don't like it, become a CEO. And what facts show the middle class going the other way?
All I see is people buying shit they don't need, living in large houses beyond their means, charging everything with loans and credit cards. The lower, middle, and upper class is all the same, wanting more then they can afford. That’s why we are in the mess we are in. How many people here have outstanding debt, in terms of credit cards or new cars loans with high interest rates? Only a year ago you saw trucks and SUVs in record numbers consuming gas here in the US, and you wonder why our prices went up? Because they know we will pay for it. We seen what greed did to the house market, and its not just the banks faults, it "Joe six pack" thinking he can walk into a 250K home with no kind of income to back it up.
If anything I see people going the other way, getting ahead of what they can afford, and its not the basics like food and such, it out of control spending by you average person, so much that it collapses on its self, and the only thing they have to blame are the CEO/Bankers that placated to their materialism, and the government that did nothing to stop them. We need to hold our selves accountable for this mess.
Heres a simple formula.....save more then you spend, and don't buy shit you don't need. I can't tell you how many guys my age in the military own a nice car, bike, and a home...all on 35K a year! All of it on credit. Now its coming back full circle.
It's more than fair that if you work hard or very innovative or whatever special skill you have acquired you could earn more, but spreading the wealth does not include some communist rule you can't, it means investing in education and scholarships and a healthcare plan for everybody to name some examples.
There's more than enough money to have less people living in poverty.
In that I agree with, more oppertunities are opened up that way. I'm just against free hand outs. People are lazy, they take the path of least resistance, and its easy to blame people who have more then them.
There is absolutely nothing stopping some one from getting a good education and a well paying job in this country. You can't even use race or sex as an reason any more, there are more opportunities today for progression, people just don't want to put the effort in. You can't live the "American dream" or any dream for that matter working in go no where job, thats the reality of it. Don't be upset because you can't buy anything with your min. wage job, you can't support yourself on that. Call it what you like, but someone who put the years of work into college and makes a good earning at their job should get more out of life then the person that makes min. wage. That the reality of it, its the haves and have nots, you don't like it, go to school or get into a trade. There is no reason why people who earned their spot in life should be punished because a percentage of the country, for what ever reason, can't advance.
I'm not saying every one is like that, but there are a lot of people out there content to not put any effort into their situation and bitch about how the government isn't doing enough to give them more. This is how this country works, and there isn't anything wrong with it.
THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING YOU BACK. DON'T BLAME THE GOVERNMENT AND THE RICH FOR YOUR PROBLEMS.
Well... You don't have to put in that much effort. You can be a "C" student in College and end up President of the United States.
Socialism/Communism spreads misery around equally. If you don't like it, become a CEO. And what facts show the middle class going the other way?
All I see is people buying shit they don't need, living in large houses beyond their means, charging everything with loans and credit cards. The lower, middle, and upper class is all the same, wanting more then they can afford. That’s why we are in the mess we are in. How many people here have outstanding debt, in terms of credit cards or new cars loans with high interest rates? Only a year ago you saw trucks and SUVs in record numbers consuming gas here in the US, and you wonder why our prices went up? Because they know we will pay for it. We seen what greed did to the house market, and its not just the banks faults, it "Joe six pack" thinking he can walk into a 250K home with no kind of income to back it up.
If anything I see people going the other way, getting ahead of what they can afford, and its not the basics like food and such, it out of control spending by you average person, so much that it collapses on its self, and the only thing they have to blame are the CEO/Bankers that placated to their materialism, and the government that did nothing to stop them. We need to hold our selves accountable for this mess.
Heres a simple formula.....save more then you spend, and don't buy shit you don't need. I can't tell you how many guys my age in the military own a nice car, bike, and a home...all on 35K a year! All of it on credit. Now its coming back full circle.
"In 1970, CEO salary and bonus packages were typically about $700,000 - 25 times the average production worker salary; by 2000, CEO salaries had jumped to almost $2.2 million on average, 90 times the average salary of a worker, according to a 2004 study on CEO pay by Kevin J. Murphy and Jan Zabojnik. Toss in stock options and other benefits, and the salary of a CEO is nearly 500 times the average worker salary, the study says."
SO, minimum wage is going down, wages for the middle class are stagnant, and CEOs are getting raises. mmm.
Literally, the rich have been getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
Don't forget the guaranteed "golden parachutes" that CEOs get after they're fired for poor performance. Carly Fiorina was head of HP before she was one of John McCain's top economics advisers and a possible vp choice. She was forced out of her job and given a $21 million severance package.
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
the kids will always be taken care of, so long as the parents get them to the doctor. No good society is turning away a kid for cryin out loud.
i agree no one gets turned away, but that's not the point scb was making. the point scb was making was the time you may have to wait and if you are prepared to do that or not.
You seem to forget (or not care about) the fact that much of the "welfare" distributed by our government is for the benefit of children. You would have children go without food and healthcare just because their parents don't live up to your standards?
Stop having kids if you cannot afford them. So if I make $20k a year and have 4 kids everyone else should pay for them?
Edit: I understand sometimes a kids is unexpected but for goodness sake use protection or something.
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You want to fix the financial mess you don't need to tax more. We need to STOP SPENDING MORE.
If you feel it is acceptable to tax people who work for a living more so that those who refuse to work can have more you are either too lazy to work or you are INSANE.
Your ignorance is appalling...
But it's your *apparent* lack of a soul that is sickening.
"In 1970, CEO salary and bonus packages were typically about $700,000 - 25 times the average production worker salary; by 2000, CEO salaries had jumped to almost $2.2 million on average, 90 times the average salary of a worker, according to a 2004 study on CEO pay by Kevin J. Murphy and Jan Zabojnik. Toss in stock options and other benefits, and the salary of a CEO is nearly 500 times the average worker salary, the study says."
SO, minimum wage is going down, wages for the middle class are stagnant, and CEOs are getting raises. mmm.
Literally, the rich have been getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
Whats the base pay of a CEO, then whats the % of their bonus compared to that? Bill Gates could get a .5% bonus (theoretically) and it would still be 100 times more than I would make in a life time, so it doesn't prove anything. I don't want to take his money from him, its his. And some where a long the line, some one is jealous of you making X amount a year and wants your money to be "redistributed" to them. The CEO is in a position to take what ever they want, sure its greed, but if you don't like it, don't work for them, and don't by their stuff. If you think you are worth more, then go and get the job you want.
This is the kind of stuff people buy into when they try to sell socialism to the poor. They fool people into thinking that the wealth is going to be "redistributed" evenly, but what actually happens is man's greed comes into play and they abuse the system. Then "political" class emerges in that system and is no different then the CEOs and Bankers. The only difference is that you don't have any freedom in saying no in a socialist system, well not in a communist model at least. Do you think any high ranking government employee in a socialist system has to wait in line of hours for bread or gas?
Find me a true socialist system that works, and the governments in Europe are not socialist, they have socialist ideas, with capitalist agendas. Not even China is truly socialist; they exploit their poor and become rich off their trade with the west. Socialism is the biggest scam in recent history, and the only people it scams are the losers in the capitalist system. Any emerging economical power is truly capitalist at its core, they just call themselves something else to avoid the label.
But what do I know, I have no formal education on this kind of stuff, just my two cents...not worth much.
Sounds reasonable. So what happens to the kids when that doesn't happen. They suffer because their parents has them?
I am not saying do not fund the kids. There is someone I used to call a friend. He is now with a woman who had a kid from some other guy. So what do they do. Go and have a kid together. They are on welfar/food stamps. Now I understand that these kids need the money for food, clothes, etc...
My other friend went to visit him to take him to the PJ concert in Florida this past summer (nice gift I think). He went to the supermarket with them. They bough ice cream, chips, and basically junk food. The father went to work and got a good days pay. Instead of using the money for good he went and bought some coke, (not soda). This is the type of abuse that needs to stop. That is why I beleive if you are on government assistance, there should be a random drug test when you recieve your check. Not everytime but once in a while. I know already people are going to say this is a violation of the peoples rights, but there should be some sort of oversite to the money they are getting and how it is being used.
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I am not saying do not fund the kids. There is someone I used to call a friend. He is now with a woman who had a kid from some other guy. So what do they do. Go and have a kid together. They are on welfar/food stamps. Now I understand that these kids need the money for food, clothes, etc...
My other friend went to visit him to take him to the PJ concert in Florida this past summer (nice gift I think). He went to the supermarket with them. They bough ice cream, chips, and basically junk food. The father went to work and got a good days pay. Instead of using the money for good he went and bought some coke, (not soda). This is the type of abuse that needs to stop. That is why I beleive if you are on government assistance, there should be a random drug test when you recieve your check. Not everytime but once in a while. I know already people are going to say this is a violation of the peoples rights, but there should be some sort of oversite to the money they are getting.
Subjecting anyone on welfare to a drug test is waaaay unconstitutional. You have no reason to do so, other than make sure they spend their welfare money in a way that you approve of. There are already laws in place to address people who purchase illegal substances. You used drugs as an example simply because it was convenient and hard to argue against. Would you take similar majors to penalize someone who used his welfare check to buy a video game? Welfare recipients aren't automatically subject to that kind of scrutiny simply because they receive welfare subsidies.
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
Subjecting anyone on welfare to a drug test is waaaay unconstitutional. You have no reason to do so, other than make sure they spend their welfare money in a way that you approve of. There are already laws in place to address people who purchase illegal substances. You used drugs as an example simply because it was convenient and hard to argue against. Would you take similar majors to penalize someone who used his welfare check to buy a video game? Welfare recipients aren't automatically subject to that kind of scrutiny simply because they receive welfare subsidies.
Why is it unconstitutional? I know many people who have a job and are subjected to random drug tests. Hell I had them in the Army even while deployed to Iraq and Kosovo. Why can't someone who is on government assistance take a wiz quiz.
Yes people buying luxuries on welfare also should be held accountable.
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"In 1970, CEO salary and bonus packages were typically about $700,000 - 25 times the average production worker salary; by 2000, CEO salaries had jumped to almost $2.2 million on average, 90 times the average salary of a worker, according to a 2004 study on CEO pay by Kevin J. Murphy and Jan Zabojnik. Toss in stock options and other benefits, and the salary of a CEO is nearly 500 times the average worker salary, the study says."
SO, minimum wage is going down, wages for the middle class are stagnant, and CEOs are getting raises. mmm.
Literally, the rich have been getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
How am I going to take you links seriously, it has an add for legalized pot, casual encounters, and it refers to any red state as "dumbfuckastan". Not very creditable. I could shit out link with all sorts of facts and figures, doesn't make it a creditable source.
no one is talking about kids here....the kids willl always be taken care of.
You libs need to stop twisting the issue.
It's not a question of simply 'taking care' of kids, it's a question of the quality of care. Preventative care is tons cheaper than an emergency room visit, which is what uninsured kids are mostly relegated to. ER visits used as a substitute for preventative care drive up healthcare costs across the board for everyone. It's cheaper in the long run to make sure quality healthcare is accessible to everyone.
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
Why is it unconstitutional? I know many people who have a job and are subjected to random drug tests. Hell I had them in the Army even while deployed to Iraq and Kosovo. Why can't someone who is on government assistance take a wiz quiz.
Yes people buying luxuries on welfare also should be held accountable.
It's unconstitutional because "welfare recipient" doesn't automatically equal "drug user". By your logic, anyone who receives government assistance should be required to take a drug test. Should every employee of every Wall Street firm we just bailed out be subjected to a drug test? Should owners and employees of the small businesses that benefit from the bailout be subject to piss tests? Law enforcement officers and military personnel are subjected to drug testing because of the hazard and responsibilities inherent in their jobs. I'm not even 100% sure I agree with that requirement.
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
the kids will always be taken care of, so long as the parents get them to the doctor. No good society is turning away a kid for cryin out loud.
My comment was in response to your assertion that you are too proud to take a handout from the government.
I'm just saying that it's easy for you to say this when obviously you've never been in a position to have to accept government assistance (in the form of Medicaid for your child) in order to get your child healthcare.
You talk a big game, like you have more pride than others or are a better person, but wait until your child is sick and you're broke and you'll be groveling at the door of the Medicaid office.
Anyone who wants to cut Medicaid for children, regardless of any theoretical laziness or impropriety on the part of the parents, is a heartless bastard. And anyone who thinks they're too good to ever find themselves in need of government assistance is a fool.
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Naders plan for taxing pollution and taxing the stock market would be a total disaster.
but I wouldn't mind seeing a little more prudence from the Defense Dept.
the kids will always be taken care of, so long as the parents get them to the doctor. No good society is turning away a kid for cryin out loud.
I'm not saying every one is like that, but there are a lot of people out there content to not put any effort into their situation and bitch about how the government isn't doing enough to give them more. This is how this country works, and there isn't anything wrong with it.
THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING YOU BACK. DON'T BLAME THE GOVERNMENT AND THE RICH FOR YOUR PROBLEMS.
another patriot...awesome!
So you aren't opposed to government theft and coercion, then? The only way redistribution can take place is by looting as is currently done today. The looters give gov't the mandate to steal our money through the threat of violence.
Well I don't make chump change, and I care about it so that is all that matters.
YES!!!
-Reagan
There's more than enough money to have less people living in poverty.
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Socialism/Communism spreads misery around equally. If you don't like it, become a CEO. And what facts show the middle class going the other way?
All I see is people buying shit they don't need, living in large houses beyond their means, charging everything with loans and credit cards. The lower, middle, and upper class is all the same, wanting more then they can afford. That’s why we are in the mess we are in. How many people here have outstanding debt, in terms of credit cards or new cars loans with high interest rates? Only a year ago you saw trucks and SUVs in record numbers consuming gas here in the US, and you wonder why our prices went up? Because they know we will pay for it. We seen what greed did to the house market, and its not just the banks faults, it "Joe six pack" thinking he can walk into a 250K home with no kind of income to back it up.
If anything I see people going the other way, getting ahead of what they can afford, and its not the basics like food and such, it out of control spending by you average person, so much that it collapses on its self, and the only thing they have to blame are the CEO/Bankers that placated to their materialism, and the government that did nothing to stop them. We need to hold our selves accountable for this mess.
Heres a simple formula.....save more then you spend, and don't buy shit you don't need. I can't tell you how many guys my age in the military own a nice car, bike, and a home...all on 35K a year! All of it on credit. Now its coming back full circle.
In that I agree with, more oppertunities are opened up that way. I'm just against free hand outs. People are lazy, they take the path of least resistance, and its easy to blame people who have more then them.
Well... You don't have to put in that much effort. You can be a "C" student in College and end up President of the United States.
Good point, but thats the voters fault.
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb//y/pay.htm#int
nd lower and middle incomes have stagnated...http://www.angelfire.com/rnb//y/pay.htm#in
"In 1970, CEO salary and bonus packages were typically about $700,000 - 25 times the average production worker salary; by 2000, CEO salaries had jumped to almost $2.2 million on average, 90 times the average salary of a worker, according to a 2004 study on CEO pay by Kevin J. Murphy and Jan Zabojnik. Toss in stock options and other benefits, and the salary of a CEO is nearly 500 times the average worker salary, the study says."
SO, minimum wage is going down, wages for the middle class are stagnant, and CEOs are getting raises. mmm.
Literally, the rich have been getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
Don't forget the guaranteed "golden parachutes" that CEOs get after they're fired for poor performance. Carly Fiorina was head of HP before she was one of John McCain's top economics advisers and a possible vp choice. She was forced out of her job and given a $21 million severance package.
I'm just not sure I'm willing to pay for it.
Stop having kids if you cannot afford them. So if I make $20k a year and have 4 kids everyone else should pay for them?
Edit: I understand sometimes a kids is unexpected but for goodness sake use protection or something.
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Your ignorance is appalling...
But it's your *apparent* lack of a soul that is sickening.
Good Day. Good Luck.
Whats the base pay of a CEO, then whats the % of their bonus compared to that? Bill Gates could get a .5% bonus (theoretically) and it would still be 100 times more than I would make in a life time, so it doesn't prove anything. I don't want to take his money from him, its his. And some where a long the line, some one is jealous of you making X amount a year and wants your money to be "redistributed" to them. The CEO is in a position to take what ever they want, sure its greed, but if you don't like it, don't work for them, and don't by their stuff. If you think you are worth more, then go and get the job you want.
This is the kind of stuff people buy into when they try to sell socialism to the poor. They fool people into thinking that the wealth is going to be "redistributed" evenly, but what actually happens is man's greed comes into play and they abuse the system. Then "political" class emerges in that system and is no different then the CEOs and Bankers. The only difference is that you don't have any freedom in saying no in a socialist system, well not in a communist model at least. Do you think any high ranking government employee in a socialist system has to wait in line of hours for bread or gas?
Find me a true socialist system that works, and the governments in Europe are not socialist, they have socialist ideas, with capitalist agendas. Not even China is truly socialist; they exploit their poor and become rich off their trade with the west. Socialism is the biggest scam in recent history, and the only people it scams are the losers in the capitalist system. Any emerging economical power is truly capitalist at its core, they just call themselves something else to avoid the label.
But what do I know, I have no formal education on this kind of stuff, just my two cents...not worth much.
Ok then, send me part of your pay check because I need money for food. I'll PM you my address.
Thanks a bunch.
I am not saying do not fund the kids. There is someone I used to call a friend. He is now with a woman who had a kid from some other guy. So what do they do. Go and have a kid together. They are on welfar/food stamps. Now I understand that these kids need the money for food, clothes, etc...
My other friend went to visit him to take him to the PJ concert in Florida this past summer (nice gift I think). He went to the supermarket with them. They bough ice cream, chips, and basically junk food. The father went to work and got a good days pay. Instead of using the money for good he went and bought some coke, (not soda). This is the type of abuse that needs to stop. That is why I beleive if you are on government assistance, there should be a random drug test when you recieve your check. Not everytime but once in a while. I know already people are going to say this is a violation of the peoples rights, but there should be some sort of oversite to the money they are getting and how it is being used.
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Subjecting anyone on welfare to a drug test is waaaay unconstitutional. You have no reason to do so, other than make sure they spend their welfare money in a way that you approve of. There are already laws in place to address people who purchase illegal substances. You used drugs as an example simply because it was convenient and hard to argue against. Would you take similar majors to penalize someone who used his welfare check to buy a video game? Welfare recipients aren't automatically subject to that kind of scrutiny simply because they receive welfare subsidies.
You libs need to stop twisting the issue.
Why is it unconstitutional? I know many people who have a job and are subjected to random drug tests. Hell I had them in the Army even while deployed to Iraq and Kosovo. Why can't someone who is on government assistance take a wiz quiz.
Yes people buying luxuries on welfare also should be held accountable.
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How am I going to take you links seriously, it has an add for legalized pot, casual encounters, and it refers to any red state as "dumbfuckastan". Not very creditable. I could shit out link with all sorts of facts and figures, doesn't make it a creditable source.
It's not a question of simply 'taking care' of kids, it's a question of the quality of care. Preventative care is tons cheaper than an emergency room visit, which is what uninsured kids are mostly relegated to. ER visits used as a substitute for preventative care drive up healthcare costs across the board for everyone. It's cheaper in the long run to make sure quality healthcare is accessible to everyone.
It's unconstitutional because "welfare recipient" doesn't automatically equal "drug user". By your logic, anyone who receives government assistance should be required to take a drug test. Should every employee of every Wall Street firm we just bailed out be subjected to a drug test? Should owners and employees of the small businesses that benefit from the bailout be subject to piss tests? Law enforcement officers and military personnel are subjected to drug testing because of the hazard and responsibilities inherent in their jobs. I'm not even 100% sure I agree with that requirement.
My comment was in response to your assertion that you are too proud to take a handout from the government.
I'm just saying that it's easy for you to say this when obviously you've never been in a position to have to accept government assistance (in the form of Medicaid for your child) in order to get your child healthcare.
You talk a big game, like you have more pride than others or are a better person, but wait until your child is sick and you're broke and you'll be groveling at the door of the Medicaid office.
Anyone who wants to cut Medicaid for children, regardless of any theoretical laziness or impropriety on the part of the parents, is a heartless bastard. And anyone who thinks they're too good to ever find themselves in need of government assistance is a fool.