Olberman happens to be the only person on mainstream TV telling it how it is... its not surprising you dont like him for that
I don't like him for the same reason I don't like Fox News...he presents his opinion as fact during a News cast...not a special commentary. It's always there. Professional journalists don't let their opinions get in the way of reporting the news...it's probably the toughest part of their job, but also the most important.
Olberman happens to be the only person on mainstream TV telling it how it is... its not surprising you dont like him for that
Olberman is a tool just like Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc... Just because he is a Democrat doesn't make his baised ramblings any more legit.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Olberman is a tool just like Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc... Just because he is a Democrat doesn't make his baised ramblings any more legit.
Olberman happens to be the only person on mainstream TV telling it how it is... its not surprising you dont like him for that
I am an Obama supporter, and tend to agree with Oberman politically for the most part, but I can't agree with what you said... He is no better than the Fox News anchors that he blasts.
Maybe if Obama's elected, and he starts to call his administration out on crap, then he may redeem himself, but right now he might as well go on the air wearing an "I heart Obama" t-shirt.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Extremist Left Wingers Hate O'Reilly. They hate the truth....balh blah blah.
It's funny when people bitch abotu 1 thing when they do it themselves.
It's funny isn't it?
I always get a huge laugh out of it.
I saw a certain someone in another thread call someone a 'Commie" after another OP of the thread stereotyped all Americans. I can only suspect the "Commie" comment was all in irony and sarcasm.
Funny nonetheless.
P.S. I'm not a Left Winger. Neither am I a liberal.
Just wanted make that clear so you guys can choose the correct namecalling:D
Olberman is a tool just like Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc... Just because he is a Democrat doesn't make his baised ramblings any more legit.
Actually, he's very often right on the money with his comments.
Whether he's a tool or not, is up for debate.
But he sure lays the hammer squarely on the nail.......over....and over....and over again.
This viral story should not be bolstered by the Dems, but my God, I don't even want to imagine the freaking out from the Christian Right if the roles in this were reversed. They'd be screaming bloody murder.
I don't like him for the same reason I don't like Fox News...he presents his opinion as fact during a News cast...not a special commentary. It's always there. Professional journalists don't let their opinions get in the way of reporting the news...it's probably the toughest part of their job, but also the most important.
Keith Olberman = Bill O'reilly
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My guess.. if this were a Demoocratic Administration in place from 2001 to date... and the same events occurred... and the same responses made... and the same outcome resulted...
Keith Obermann and Bill O'Rielly (and Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter) would all be on the same page... spewing the same thing Obermann is spewing today.
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Yeah, but just because they explain birth control to their kids doesn't mean they don't make their kids too uncomfortable to come to them if they need to use it. It's knowing about birth control AND having good access to it that makes the abortion rate go down.
Good access to it? Last time I checked, condoms are pretty readily available everywhere. Oh, and doesn't Alaska allow minors to obtain BC without parental consent? It appears that way-- http://www.contracept.org/minorsaccess.php
Good access to it? Last time I checked, condoms are pretty readily available everywhere. Oh, and doesn't Alaska allow minors to obtain BC without parental consent? It appears that way-- http://www.contracept.org/minorsaccess.php
Knowledge about contraceptives is just as important as the contraceptives themselves, atleast in my opinion.
You are right about one thing.. abstinence only education doesn't work. Now, can you tell me that this "loon's" daughter didn't receive any education about birth control anywhere? Just because her mother promotes abstinence only doesn't mean she was unware of any other forms or types of birth control. I think at minimum 90% of people in the US that get pregnant know about birth control options these days.
Knowledge about contraceptives is just as important as the contraceptives themselves, atleast in my opinion.
I don't disagree with that but again, everyone is blaming her mother's abstinence only stance on her pregnancy when in reality it could very well have nothing to do with it.
You are right about one thing.. abstinence only education doesn't work. Now, can you tell me that this "loon's" daughter didn't receive any education about birth control anywhere? Just because her mother promotes abstinence only doesn't mean she was unware of any other forms or types of birth control. I think at minimum 90% of people in the US that get pregnant know about birth control options these days.
It is pretty hard in today's world to not atleast know that there are condoms and bc out there. But knowing it's there, and knowing how it works, how successful it is, the correct way to use it and which method is the best for you are sadly two different things. I don't know what people think sex education is. Maybe their filthy minds can't convince themselves that you can talk about sex without talking about the best positions and what gets you off. Perverts.
Good access to it? Last time I checked, condoms are pretty readily available everywhere. Oh, and doesn't Alaska allow minors to obtain BC without parental consent? It appears that way-- http://www.contracept.org/minorsaccess.php
Access is not just about laws but also about the kind of relationship teenagers have with their parents. If parents expect their teenagers to use birth control if/when they have sex, they need to foster an environment where their kids feel comfortable coming to them about these things. My experience is that those parents who preach that abstinence is the only way - even if they do "explain birth control to their kids" - tend to have kids who not only would never dream of coming to their parents when in need of contraception, but who are also less likely to use it at all for fear of their parents finding a condom wrapper, hearing that someone saw them at the clinic, etc. Having to sneak around your parents' backs is just one of the many barriers to service.
I don't disagree with that but again, everyone is blaming her mother's abstinence only stance on her pregnancy when in reality it could very well have nothing to do with it.
For all we know she could've talked to her daughter everyday about sex and waiting and contraceptives but a pro-life, abstinence only advocate's underage, unwed daughter got pregnant. It's an extremely easy target.
Access is not just about laws but also about the kind of relationship teenagers have with their parents. If parents expect their teenagers to use birth control if/when they have sex, they need to foster an environment where their kids feel comfortable coming to them about these things. My experience is that those parents who preach that abstinence is the only way - even if they do "explain birth control to their kids" - tend to have kids who not only would never dream of coming to their parents when in need of contraception, but who are also less likely to use it at all for fear of their parents finding a condom wrapper, hearing that someone saw them at the clinic, etc. Having to sneak around your parents' backs is just one of the many barriers to service.
I don't agree with that. If they are comfortable enough to "sneak" around and have sex and are aware of birth control options but chose not to use it because their parents might find out then what good is sex education anyway? Based on what you are saying then only teens with parents who don't support abstinence only will actually use it so why should a parent who believes in abstinence only even expose their teens to the education?
I don't agree with that. If they are comfortable enough to "sneak" around and have sex and are aware of birth control options but chose not to use it because their parents might find out then what good is sex education anyway? Based on what you are saying then only teens with parents who don't support abstinence only will actually use it so why should a parent who believes in abstinence only even expose their teens to the education?
Here's the point you're not addressing;
What is the point of an abstinence only education? What is the harm in giving teenagers all the options, if for the only reason that more information usually allows people, adults and teens alike, to make better, more knowledgeable decisions? As I said in another thread, an abstinence only education is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes and pretending reality is not happening.
EDIT: Never mind, I saw in an earlier post you agreed with the notion that abstinence only doesn't work...the point is that has to go for everyone. Kids should not have to be scared to use birth control, and that's definetely going to happen in a household that stresses abstinence only.
You are right about one thing.. abstinence only education doesn't work. Now, can you tell me that this "loon's" daughter didn't receive any education about birth control anywhere? Just because her mother promotes abstinence only doesn't mean she was unware of any other forms or types of birth control. I think at minimum 90% of people in the US that get pregnant know about birth control options these days.
Maybe not....mom's big time into her career (not that its a bad thing), dad's busy with two or three jobs....mom got pregnant...with downs baby...what 4 other siblings....add in the talk of how children are a blessing..and God decides when another miracle will enter our food chain...so maybe she rolled the dice..thinking since god loved her she wouldn't get pregnant. Some public sex education can't be a bad thing.
What is the point of an abstinence only education? What is the harm in giving teenagers all the options, if for the only reason that more information usually allows people, adults and teens alike, to make better, more knowledgeable decisions? As I said in another thread, an abstinence only education is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes and pretending reality is not happening.
...okay wispering so all the other children can't hear this...if you don't talk about sex...children won't be curious about they're boobies and boners and never have sex...shhhhh....keep it quiet....shhhh...
plus sex is dirty..and sinful....bad sex, bad sex....
Access is not just about laws but also about the kind of relationship teenagers have with their parents. If parents expect their teenagers to use birth control if/when they have sex, they need to foster an environment where their kids feel comfortable coming to them about these things. My experience is that those parents who preach that abstinence is the only way - even if they do "explain birth control to their kids" - tend to have kids who not only would never dream of coming to their parents when in need of contraception, but who are also less likely to use it at all for fear of their parents finding a condom wrapper, hearing that someone saw them at the clinic, etc. Having to sneak around your parents' backs is just one of the many barriers to service.
So, you're telling me that if your 15-17 year old daughter came to you and asked you to buy her condoms or start the pill, you just go ahead and git 'er done?
I can honestly say, I have no idea what I would do in that case.
So, you're telling me that if your 15-17 year old daughter came to you and asked you to buy her condoms or start the pill, you just go ahead and git 'er done?
I can honestly say, I have no idea what I would do in that case.
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I would. I remember being a teenager.
I'd also warn her about shit like AIDS and Herpes and Syph because I love her... and I'd also let her in on what all teenage boys think about and want... because, at one time, I was a teenaged boy.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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I would. I remember being a teenager.
I'd also warn her about shit like AIDS and Herpes and Syph because I love her... and I'd also let her in on what all teenage boys think about and want... because, at one time, I was a teenaged boy.
I do all of that...except maybe the pill/condom thing. Hell, I have no idea what I'd do...I know that #1 I mention the issues with having sex and #2 try to disuade her for sure...I'm not looking forward to this conversation.
So, you're telling me that if your 15-17 year old daughter came to you and asked you to buy her condoms or start the pill, you just go ahead and git 'er done?
um...yeah.....after a long conversation...;)
i would much rather buy my kid birth control that a stroller or an abortion....or have to take them to an aids clinic one day
So, you're telling me that if your 15-17 year old daughter came to you and asked you to buy her condoms or start the pill, you just go ahead and git 'er done?
I can honestly say, I have no idea what I would do in that case.
The problem to me, at least would be with their age... My approach would likely be different if I had a 15 year-old daughter ask me, than if a 17-year-old did.
I don't know... As far as kids, I have one son so far, and he's a long time from this stuff. I think dealing with boys at that age is so much easier for a father.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I do all of that...except maybe the pill/condom thing. Hell, I have no idea what I'd do...I know that #1 I mention the issues with having sex and #2 try to disuade her for sure...I'm not looking forward to this conversation.
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You can try to disuade her... but, really... with the pill you are putting up a solid defense. Think of it as abstinence being hope... and the pill being fact.
She will also need to be told of the consequences... including the emotional consequences that come along with sex and the side effects of using the pill.
...
I'd also have a long serious talk with that boyfriend of hers, too. One where he walks away informed... and very scared.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Olberman happens to be the only person on mainstream TV telling it how it is... its not surprising you dont like him for that
Extremist Right Wingers hate Olberman. They hate truth.
They prefer those who follow and abide by the Extremist Right Wing handbook and script.
Lie...Lie....Lie...Deny.......blame a Liberal. Yeah, that's the ticket.
I don't like him for the same reason I don't like Fox News...he presents his opinion as fact during a News cast...not a special commentary. It's always there. Professional journalists don't let their opinions get in the way of reporting the news...it's probably the toughest part of their job, but also the most important.
Keith Olberman = Bill O'reilly
Olberman is a tool just like Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc... Just because he is a Democrat doesn't make his baised ramblings any more legit.
here I can tell bullshit too...
Extremist Left Wingers Hate O'Reilly. They hate the truth....balh blah blah.
It's funny when people bitch abotu 1 thing when they do it themselves.
Thank you...spot on.
I am an Obama supporter, and tend to agree with Oberman politically for the most part, but I can't agree with what you said... He is no better than the Fox News anchors that he blasts.
Maybe if Obama's elected, and he starts to call his administration out on crap, then he may redeem himself, but right now he might as well go on the air wearing an "I heart Obama" t-shirt.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
It's funny isn't it?
I always get a huge laugh out of it.
I saw a certain someone in another thread call someone a 'Commie" after another OP of the thread stereotyped all Americans. I can only suspect the "Commie" comment was all in irony and sarcasm.
Funny nonetheless.
P.S. I'm not a Left Winger. Neither am I a liberal.
Just wanted make that clear so you guys can choose the correct namecalling:D
Actually, he's very often right on the money with his comments.
Whether he's a tool or not, is up for debate.
But he sure lays the hammer squarely on the nail.......over....and over....and over again.
Stop blaming the Dems
My guess.. if this were a Demoocratic Administration in place from 2001 to date... and the same events occurred... and the same responses made... and the same outcome resulted...
Keith Obermann and Bill O'Rielly (and Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter) would all be on the same page... spewing the same thing Obermann is spewing today.
Hail, Hail!!!
Good access to it? Last time I checked, condoms are pretty readily available everywhere. Oh, and doesn't Alaska allow minors to obtain BC without parental consent? It appears that way-- http://www.contracept.org/minorsaccess.php
Knowledge about contraceptives is just as important as the contraceptives themselves, atleast in my opinion.
You are right about one thing.. abstinence only education doesn't work. Now, can you tell me that this "loon's" daughter didn't receive any education about birth control anywhere? Just because her mother promotes abstinence only doesn't mean she was unware of any other forms or types of birth control. I think at minimum 90% of people in the US that get pregnant know about birth control options these days.
I don't disagree with that but again, everyone is blaming her mother's abstinence only stance on her pregnancy when in reality it could very well have nothing to do with it.
It is pretty hard in today's world to not atleast know that there are condoms and bc out there. But knowing it's there, and knowing how it works, how successful it is, the correct way to use it and which method is the best for you are sadly two different things. I don't know what people think sex education is. Maybe their filthy minds can't convince themselves that you can talk about sex without talking about the best positions and what gets you off. Perverts.
Access is not just about laws but also about the kind of relationship teenagers have with their parents. If parents expect their teenagers to use birth control if/when they have sex, they need to foster an environment where their kids feel comfortable coming to them about these things. My experience is that those parents who preach that abstinence is the only way - even if they do "explain birth control to their kids" - tend to have kids who not only would never dream of coming to their parents when in need of contraception, but who are also less likely to use it at all for fear of their parents finding a condom wrapper, hearing that someone saw them at the clinic, etc. Having to sneak around your parents' backs is just one of the many barriers to service.
For all we know she could've talked to her daughter everyday about sex and waiting and contraceptives but a pro-life, abstinence only advocate's underage, unwed daughter got pregnant. It's an extremely easy target.
I don't agree with that. If they are comfortable enough to "sneak" around and have sex and are aware of birth control options but chose not to use it because their parents might find out then what good is sex education anyway? Based on what you are saying then only teens with parents who don't support abstinence only will actually use it so why should a parent who believes in abstinence only even expose their teens to the education?
Here's the point you're not addressing;
What is the point of an abstinence only education? What is the harm in giving teenagers all the options, if for the only reason that more information usually allows people, adults and teens alike, to make better, more knowledgeable decisions? As I said in another thread, an abstinence only education is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes and pretending reality is not happening.
EDIT: Never mind, I saw in an earlier post you agreed with the notion that abstinence only doesn't work...the point is that has to go for everyone. Kids should not have to be scared to use birth control, and that's definetely going to happen in a household that stresses abstinence only.
plus sex is dirty..and sinful....bad sex, bad sex....
So, you're telling me that if your 15-17 year old daughter came to you and asked you to buy her condoms or start the pill, you just go ahead and git 'er done?
I can honestly say, I have no idea what I would do in that case.
I would. I remember being a teenager.
I'd also warn her about shit like AIDS and Herpes and Syph because I love her... and I'd also let her in on what all teenage boys think about and want... because, at one time, I was a teenaged boy.
Hail, Hail!!!
I do all of that...except maybe the pill/condom thing. Hell, I have no idea what I'd do...I know that #1 I mention the issues with having sex and #2 try to disuade her for sure...I'm not looking forward to this conversation.
um...yeah.....after a long conversation...;)
i would much rather buy my kid birth control that a stroller or an abortion....or have to take them to an aids clinic one day
The problem to me, at least would be with their age... My approach would likely be different if I had a 15 year-old daughter ask me, than if a 17-year-old did.
I don't know... As far as kids, I have one son so far, and he's a long time from this stuff. I think dealing with boys at that age is so much easier for a father.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
You can try to disuade her... but, really... with the pill you are putting up a solid defense. Think of it as abstinence being hope... and the pill being fact.
She will also need to be told of the consequences... including the emotional consequences that come along with sex and the side effects of using the pill.
...
I'd also have a long serious talk with that boyfriend of hers, too. One where he walks away informed... and very scared.
Hail, Hail!!!