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You can try to disuade her... but, really... with the pill you are putting up a solid defense. Think of it as abstinence being hope... and the pill being fact.
She will also need to be told of the consequences... including the emotional consequences that come along with sex and the side effects of using the pill.
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I'd also have a long serious talk with that boyfriend of hers, too. One where he walks away informed... and very scared.
shapening and polishing large knives and muttering incoherently while the boy is around is just good parenting
Quite acting like the democrats made this an issue. McCain's people knew of this pregnancy even before they made the public announcement of Palin's selection. The fact that Governor Palin is allowing her daughter to be used as a holier than though, pro life poster child just shows what kind a parent she is. This has become just a sinful media display of a mother whoring out her daughter for the good of the Party. Let's hope the supreme court appreciates the trouble.
how is Palin making her daughter a holier than thou pro life poster child? teh daughter is preganant and is having the baby, who cares?
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Without getting into who screened Sarah Palin and who didn't, or whether Bristol Palin's sex life is appropriate to discuss-
I would just like to ask (as a parent), what kind of a mother does this to her daughter? Regardless of the screening process, Sarah Palin knew that Bristol was pregnant, and yet she still accepted the VP nom.
Who does that? What type of person deliberately puts their own child through this type of scrutiny?
you can say this about any politician. i woudl also say what kind of father allows this (or is making these decision only a women decision)
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i would much rather buy my kid birth control that a stroller or an abortion....or have to take them to an aids clinic one day
agreed.
let's face it, think back to when YOU lost your virginity.....and decide from there. isn't it far wiser to assist your child with the BESt options for their choices? sure, absolutely encoruage waiting, making infomred decisions, etc...but i would far rather know that my child was well-informed and that i was there for him/her....than leave them to their own devices and misinformation, etc. i remember back to what my parents told me...NOTHING......and much the same for my 2 older sisters, and it is amazing none of us ended up pregnant at a young age. we were lucky, and sure.....found out a lot and took care of somethings ourselves, without our parents knowledge. it should NOT have to be that way.
and btw - yes, i am childless and will remain so....however, i was an educator and we all had to be well-informed on such issues, also for abuse, etc. and sure, i too was a teenager once, and i DO also know of a few - sadly very few - who DID have parents who were open and honest with them, and yes, went with them to get BC. i think it far healthier honestly.
shapening and polishing large knives and muttering incoherently while the boy is around is just good parenting
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Or talking about how much you love your daughter... you sweet little Princess... and how it would drive you completely insane if anyone ever hurt her... you wouldn't be able to control your rage...
... while you are cleaning your shotgun.
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I don't agree with that. If they are comfortable enough to "sneak" around and have sex and are aware of birth control options but chose not to use it because their parents might find out then what good is sex education anyway? Based on what you are saying then only teens with parents who don't support abstinence only will actually use it so why should a parent who believes in abstinence only even expose their teens to the education?
I'm not sure I get what you're saying here.
But all I'm saying is that the "here's some factual information about birth control BUT YOU BETTER NOT EVER USE IT!!!" approach isn't as effective as one based in reality.
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Or talking about how much you love your daughter... you sweet little Princess... and how it would drive you completely insane if anyone ever hurt her... you wouldn't be able to control your rage...
... while you are cleaning your shotgun.
But all I'm saying is that the "here's some factual information about birth control BUT YOU BETTER NOT EVER USE IT!!!" approach isn't as effective as one based in reality.
just another twist of a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy.......;)
personally, MOST especially if i had a daughter....i'd want to know, i'd want to be infomred, and i would want her to be infomred and not afraid to discuss such with me. would it be uncomfortable? sure. would one encourage witing, discuss the gravity of it all, etc? sure again. thing is though.....bottomline, one 'oops!' so heavily will weigh on a girl for perhas life. i rather not think of a 15 year old having sex, but i'd rather think about a 15 year old having sex while using BC, preferably 2 forms. the pill for pregnancy, and condoms for disease. it would ease my mind a GREAT deal. b/c we may all know about being infomred and prepared....but when feeling pressured and sure even desiring...and there's no condom around......yikes.......
So, you're telling me that if your 15-17 year old daughter came to you and asked you to buy her condoms or start the pill, you just go ahead and git 'er done?
I can honestly say, I have no idea what I would do in that case.
I like to think I would. Hell, I plan to have condoms around for my daughter or son to use without having to ask. I would even like to get her on a more reliable form of birth control BEFORE she starts having sex. Of course I would also talk to her about all the reasons why it's a bad idea to have sex at a young age, etc. And it would probably be extremely hard to not freak out if I found out she was having sex.
But I think our children's health needs outweigh our needs as parents to bury our heads in the sand and think our kids are better than the others. I've seen the results of the bury-you-head-in-the-sand method and they can be devastating. How is saying, "I'll just pray that my kids never have sex instead of giving them the tools they need to be safe" any better than the kids saying, "I'll just pray I won't get pregnant instead of practicing safe sex"?
(Note: I'll admit that I'm not a parent. But, while no one ever knows for sure how they would handle any situation, this is how I would like to handle this one should it ever arise.)
Has anyone actually seen anything from a legitimate news source (I don't consider left or right blogs as legitimate) that says Palin was anti-birth control? Time Magazine says she's a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization.
And as we all know birth control is not 100%. So we really shouldn't speculate what happened with Palin's daughter. It could be that her and her bf tried to use protection and it didn't work or broke or it could be she rebelled on her parents. Either way, she's having the baby and it shouldn't be an issue.
Has anyone actually seen anything from a legitimate news source (I don't consider left or right blogs as legitimate) that says Palin was anti-birth control? Time Magazine says she's a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization.
I like to think I would. Hell, I plan to have condoms around for my daughter or son to use without having to ask. I would even like to get her on a more reliable form of birth control BEFORE she starts having sex. Of course I would also talk to her about all the reasons why it's a bad idea to have sex at a young age, etc. And it would probably be extremely hard to not freak out if I found out she was having sex.
But I think our children's health needs outweigh our needs as parents to bury our heads in the sand and think our kids are better than the others. I've seen the results of the bury-you-head-in-the-sand method and they can be devastating. How is saying, "I'll just pray that my kids never have sex instead of giving them the tools they need to be safe" any better than the kids saying, "I'll just pray I won't get pregnant instead of practicing safe sex"?
(Note: I'll admit that I'm not a parent. But, while no one ever knows for sure how they would handle any situation, this is how I would like to handle this one should it ever arise.)
But I also see trying to keep a 15-17 year-old son of daughter from having sex as benefiting their health needs...hence the conundrum (spelling?).
There's a fine line between keeping them safe and promoting or enabling poor choices....hence, the issue the Palin's now face as a family.
So, judging others on this is a pretty dumbass thing to do I think.
It's not necessarily anti-birth control, but it shows she supports abstinence only education.
You know, some promote abstinence only education because they feel it's up to the parents to talk about birth control...so it's not as evil as it sounds...just don't want the government educating their children on what they think is a fmaily matter.
You know, some promote abstinence only education because they feel it's up to the parents to talk about birth control...so it's not as evil as it sounds...just don't want the government educating their children on what they think is a fmaily matter.
Well, in that same answer she also opposes allowing teenagers easy access to contraceptives. However, true; she may have a stack of condoms at the door for her children to use, and may explain all the options to them. I don't know and don't care (though I do admittedly doubt that is the case). I was repeating what she'd said on the matter.
But if they don't want the government educating their children on the matter, why do they want abstinence taught in the classroom? Why would they want any type of sex ed in the classroom? It's the bind I think social conservatives are stuck in; they don't believe in a woman's right to choose, but also don't believe in easy access to birth control, or to have it taught in their classroom. Catch-22, IMO.
But I also see trying to keep a 15-17 year-old son of daughter from having sex as benefiting their health needs...hence the conundrum (spelling?).
There's a fine line between keeping them safe and promoting or enabling poor choices....hence, the issue the Palin's now face as a family.
But this seems to suggest that you can't try to prevent them from having sex while at the same time providing them with the means to be safe if they do it anyway. There is no fine line, since birth control doesn't enable poor choices. We all know that teenagers need no enabling whatsoever when it comes to having sex; they just need enabling when it comes to being safe about it, which is a good choice. Just because my car came with a seatbelt doesn't mean I'm going to drive more recklessly.
So, judging others on this is a pretty dumbass thing to do I think.
I'm not trying to judge others; I'm judging what's the best method of preventing teen pregnancy (which I think should be the concern pf anyone who cares about teenagers).
You know, some promote abstinence only education because they feel it's up to the parents to talk about birth control...so it's not as evil as it sounds...just don't want the government educating their children on what they think is a fmaily matter.
I would believe that if abstinence-only curricula wasn't anti-birth control. It's not like it's neutral, ya know. So if that's why people promote it, maybe they should take the time to learn a little more about what they're promoting (for other people's kids).
Well, in that same answer she also opposes allowing teenagers easy access to contraceptives. However, true; she may have a stack of condoms at the door for her children to use, and may explain all the options to them. I don't know and don't care (though I do admittedly doubt that is the case). I was repeating what she'd said on the matter.
But if they don't want the government educating their children on the matter, why do they want abstinence taught in the classroom? Why would they want any type of sex ed in the classroom? It's the bind I think social conservatives are stuck in; they don't believe in a woman's right to choose, but also don't believe in easy access to birth control, or to have it taught in their classroom. Catch-22, IMO.
But this seems to suggest that you can't try to prevent them from having sex while at the same time providing them with the means to be safe if they do it anyway. There is no fine line, since birth control doesn't enable poor choices. We all know that teenagers need no enabling whatsoever when it comes to having sex; they just need enabling when it comes to being safe about it, which is a good choice. Just because my car came with a seatbelt doesn't mean I'm going to drive more recklessly.
I'm not trying to judge others; I'm judging what's the best method of preventing teen pregnancy (which I think should be the concern pf anyone who cares about teenagers).
EXACTLY!
(i'd also think it would be of concernf or those who seem most concerned about the rights of the unborn....if there is no conception, then there is no issue...beyond society and/or parents trying to control their children's actions and morality)
(i'd also think it would be of concernf or those who seem most concerned about the rights of the unborn....if there is no conception, then there is no issue...beyond society and/or parents trying to control their children's actions and morality)
You got it...I'm pro-choice, but it's due to the lack of any other options. I'd be more than happy if there was never the need to have any abortions, but for that to be the case, there'd need to be a sea change in how contraceptive use is taught in schools, how it's viewed by society, etc. Unfortunately, I think that still may be a long way off.
Another fun nugget about the Bush administration; I've long thought that their increased focus and aid towards HIV in Africa was one of their best achievements (granted, there weren't many to choose from). However, I then found out that alot of the funds for sex education included in the aid money sent to the continent were contingent on the fact that the sex-ed programs recieving the money taught abstinence-only. Way to go George.
You got it...I'm pro-choice, but it's due to the lack of any other options. I'd be more than happy if there was never the need to have any abortions, but for that to be the case, there'd need to be a sea change in how contraceptive use is taught in schools, how it's viewed by society, etc. Unfortunately, I think that still may be a long way off.
Another fun nugget about the Bush administration; I've long thought that their increased focus and aid towards HIV in Africa was one of their best achievements (granted, there weren't many to choose from). However, I then found out that alot of the funds for sex education included in the aid money sent to the continent were contingent on the fact that the sex-ed programs recieving the money taught abstinence-only. Way to go George.
i have said the very same often enough in this forum - how i wish for the non-neccesssity of abortion except in extreme cases of need. i think it IS very, very possible...but it would require weeping changes and yes, HUGE changes on the social stigma front. i may be a dreamer...but i am also quite realistic. people can go on and on with their morality...and that's all well and good, that is your OWN. you cannot force, not even your own child...not to have sex. it has gone on forever.....so why not face that reality? let all be informed, prepared, and unjudged for doing so.
as to georgey-boy......sadly, nothing surprises me.
i have said the very same often enough in this forum - how i wish for the non-neccesssity of abortion except in extreme cases of need. i think it IS very, very possible...but it would require weeping changes and yes, HUGE changes on the social stigma front. i may be a dreamer...but i am also quite realistic. people can go on and on with their morality...and that's all well and good, that is your OWN. you cannot force, not even your own child...not to have sex. it has gone on forever.....so why not face that reality? let all be informed, prepared, and unjudged for doing so.
as to georgey-boy......sadly, nothing surprises me.
Exactly, it is about personal freedom, which used to be a tenet of the Republican Party. I have a feeling that if the abortion issue had been an issue fifty years ago, Republicans of that period might have had a very different view. Freedom and personal liberty at all costs. But lately the Republican Party has been all about social issues. It seems to be that the young stars of the party (Arnold, Bobby Jindal in LA, etc) seem to be moving the party away from the 'moral majority' stranglehold. I sincerely hope that trend continues in the years to come.
But this seems to suggest that you can't try to prevent them from having sex while at the same time providing them with the means to be safe if they do it anyway. There is no fine line, since birth control doesn't enable poor choices. We all know that teenagers need no enabling whatsoever when it comes to having sex; they just need enabling when it comes to being safe about it, which is a good choice. Just because my car came with a seatbelt doesn't mean I'm going to drive more recklessly.
I'm not trying to judge others; I'm judging what's the best method of preventing teen pregnancy (which I think should be the concern pf anyone who cares about teenagers).
I wasn't talking about anyone here judging...just in general, sorry for the confusion.
But this seems to suggest that you can't try to prevent them from having sex while at the same time providing them with the means to be safe if they do it anyway. There is no fine line, since birth control doesn't enable poor choices. We all know that teenagers need no enabling whatsoever when it comes to having sex; they just need enabling when it comes to being safe about it, which is a good choice. Just because my car came with a seatbelt doesn't mean I'm going to drive more recklessly.
You don't see how giving your kid a condom might be enabling a behavior that you disagree with? I'm not saying it's right one way or the other here, but it's hardly an easy choice to make, for me at least.
You don't see how giving your kid a condom might be enabling a behavior that you disagree with? I'm not saying it's right one way or the other here, but it's hardly an easy choice to make, for me at least.
Don't have sex!!!! But here's some condoms. ?
how is it enabling?
do you not believe your child would make their own choice with or without your consent? did you follow your parent's wishes in regards to sex...alcohol...drugs....etc?
i think it is VERY possible to express your pov, your beliefs....but ALSO have your kids informed, know where to go for even more information if needed, feel they can discuss such with you....and know while you have your beliefs and hopes/desires for them, what you wish for them...you do realize it is their own choice. so while you encourage them to make decisions wisely, you can yes, 'prepare them'....in case they DO decide to make a choice different from what you would prefer. one can explain why it's the best idea not to have sex...but sure, be realistic and know it's a deicsion they will make on their own, and be sure to have them prepared for that.
obviously, many can and do disagree with me here.....but i really do think it's possible...and probably for the best, healthiest parent/child relationship. you really can't stop your kids from being sexually active, but you can greatly reduce the chances of unintended pregnancy and disease. obviously, you can influence their thoughts and behaviors....but you cannot 'make' them think as you do...and we all know how much 'thinking' goes on oftentimes in these situations in any case. it would be great to see a young teen prepared, informed.....and making wise decisions, even if they do decide to have intercourse.
i think it is very much in line with being anti-alcohol/drugs...but always infomring your child poor decisions or not, to call for a ride no matter what, if they are in no condition to drive or in the company of those in no condition to drive. i don't consider it enabling.....i consider it helping to protect.
how is it enabling?
do you not believe your child would make their own choice with or without your consent? did you follow your parent's wishes in regards to sex...alcohol...drugs....etc?
i think it is VERY possible to express your pov, your beliefs....but ALSO have your kids informed, know where to go for even more information if needed, feel they can discuss such with you....and know while you have your beliefs and hopes/desires for them, what you wish for them...you do realize it is their own choice. so while you encourage them to make decisions wisely, you can yes, 'prepare them'....in case they DO decide to make a choice different from what you would prefer. one can explain why it's the best idea not to have sex...but sure, be realistic and know it's a deicsion they will make on their own, and be sure to have them prepared for that.
obviously, many can and do disagree with me here.....but i really do think it's possible...and probably for the best, healthiest parent/child relationship. you really can't stop your kids from being sexually active, but you can greatly reduce the chances of unintended pregnancy and disease. obviously, you can influence their thoughts and behaviors....but you cannot 'make' them think as you do...and we all know how much 'thinking' goes on oftentimes in these situations in any case. it would be great to see a young teen prepared, informed.....and making wise decisions, even if they do decide to have intercourse.
i think it is very much in line with being anti-alcohol/drugs...but always infomring your child poor decisions or not, to call for a ride no matter what, if they are in no condition to drive or in the company of those in no condition to drive. i don't consider it enabling.....i consider it helping to protect.
Having your kids informed and actually giving them the condom are 2 very different things.
Don't get me wrong, I completely understand what you're saying. I'm just working my way through figuring out what I'd do, I have some time to get ready for it though, thankfully.
I do agree with your anti-drug/alcohol statement. In that scenario though, they've already made a poor decision and you are protecting them from making a bigger one. This could be a direct corelation to the sex issue, but it may not be. I have to think abotu that...good post.
I heard about parents giving their kids promise rings and bracelets as a vow to their parents that they willl remain virgins until they are married. Like, the father and his daughter each wear a ring.
1. Creepy.
2. They surveyed the participants and guess what -- the kids still had sex. Shocker.
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I heard about parents giving their kids promise rings and bracelets as a vow to their parents that they willl remain virgins until they are married. Like, the father and his daughter each wear a ring.
1. Creepy.
2. They surveyed the participants and guess what -- the kids still had sex. Shocker.
Yeah, I always thought that was pretty creepy too.
You got it...I'm pro-choice, but it's due to the lack of any other options.
I know. If only there were a way people who didn't want their children could bring them to term and have them, and then give them to people who want children, but for whatever reason can't have them.
If only someone would invent such a system. But, alas, no such fantasy land exists.
Abort, away!
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
You don't see how giving your kid a condom might be enabling a behavior that you disagree with? I'm not saying it's right one way or the other here, but it's hardly an easy choice to make, for me at least.
Don't have sex!!!! But here's some condoms. ?
I see how some people might think that, but I don't believe it's true.
I think instead of just oversimplifying the issue by just saying, "YOU BETTER NOT BE HAVING SEX!!!" we should teach our children that sex is a normal part of life, but that we need to use good judgement when deciding when to have it, with whom, and with what kind of protection. Hopefully then they'll actually think about all of this in its full complicated glory before proceeding instead of disregarding what we say entirely.
I'll leave you with this quote by Butch Hancock (which was quoted in an article I read about why we have such a hard time controlling birth in the U.S.):
"Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love."
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shapening and polishing large knives and muttering incoherently while the boy is around is just good parenting
how is Palin making her daughter a holier than thou pro life poster child? teh daughter is preganant and is having the baby, who cares?
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you can say this about any politician. i woudl also say what kind of father allows this (or is making these decision only a women decision)
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agreed.
let's face it, think back to when YOU lost your virginity.....and decide from there. isn't it far wiser to assist your child with the BESt options for their choices? sure, absolutely encoruage waiting, making infomred decisions, etc...but i would far rather know that my child was well-informed and that i was there for him/her....than leave them to their own devices and misinformation, etc. i remember back to what my parents told me...NOTHING......and much the same for my 2 older sisters, and it is amazing none of us ended up pregnant at a young age. we were lucky, and sure.....found out a lot and took care of somethings ourselves, without our parents knowledge. it should NOT have to be that way.
and btw - yes, i am childless and will remain so....however, i was an educator and we all had to be well-informed on such issues, also for abuse, etc. and sure, i too was a teenager once, and i DO also know of a few - sadly very few - who DID have parents who were open and honest with them, and yes, went with them to get BC. i think it far healthier honestly.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I'm buying a shotgun...and completely NON-functioning shotgun.
I plan on cleaning it just about everytime a boyfriend shows up to pick her up.
Or talking about how much you love your daughter... you sweet little Princess... and how it would drive you completely insane if anyone ever hurt her... you wouldn't be able to control your rage...
... while you are cleaning your shotgun.
Hail, Hail!!!
I'm not sure I get what you're saying here.
But all I'm saying is that the "here's some factual information about birth control BUT YOU BETTER NOT EVER USE IT!!!" approach isn't as effective as one based in reality.
Now you're thinking...see my post 1 up.
just another twist of a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy.......;)
personally, MOST especially if i had a daughter....i'd want to know, i'd want to be infomred, and i would want her to be infomred and not afraid to discuss such with me. would it be uncomfortable? sure. would one encourage witing, discuss the gravity of it all, etc? sure again. thing is though.....bottomline, one 'oops!' so heavily will weigh on a girl for perhas life. i rather not think of a 15 year old having sex, but i'd rather think about a 15 year old having sex while using BC, preferably 2 forms. the pill for pregnancy, and condoms for disease. it would ease my mind a GREAT deal. b/c we may all know about being infomred and prepared....but when feeling pressured and sure even desiring...and there's no condom around......yikes.......
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I like to think I would. Hell, I plan to have condoms around for my daughter or son to use without having to ask. I would even like to get her on a more reliable form of birth control BEFORE she starts having sex. Of course I would also talk to her about all the reasons why it's a bad idea to have sex at a young age, etc. And it would probably be extremely hard to not freak out if I found out she was having sex.
But I think our children's health needs outweigh our needs as parents to bury our heads in the sand and think our kids are better than the others. I've seen the results of the bury-you-head-in-the-sand method and they can be devastating. How is saying, "I'll just pray that my kids never have sex instead of giving them the tools they need to be safe" any better than the kids saying, "I'll just pray I won't get pregnant instead of practicing safe sex"?
(Note: I'll admit that I'm not a parent. But, while no one ever knows for sure how they would handle any situation, this is how I would like to handle this one should it ever arise.)
And as we all know birth control is not 100%. So we really shouldn't speculate what happened with Palin's daughter. It could be that her and her bf tried to use protection and it didn't work or broke or it could be she rebelled on her parents. Either way, she's having the baby and it shouldn't be an issue.
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It's not necessarily anti-birth control, but it shows she supports abstinence only education.
But I also see trying to keep a 15-17 year-old son of daughter from having sex as benefiting their health needs...hence the conundrum (spelling?).
There's a fine line between keeping them safe and promoting or enabling poor choices....hence, the issue the Palin's now face as a family.
So, judging others on this is a pretty dumbass thing to do I think.
You know, some promote abstinence only education because they feel it's up to the parents to talk about birth control...so it's not as evil as it sounds...just don't want the government educating their children on what they think is a fmaily matter.
Well, in that same answer she also opposes allowing teenagers easy access to contraceptives. However, true; she may have a stack of condoms at the door for her children to use, and may explain all the options to them. I don't know and don't care (though I do admittedly doubt that is the case). I was repeating what she'd said on the matter.
But if they don't want the government educating their children on the matter, why do they want abstinence taught in the classroom? Why would they want any type of sex ed in the classroom? It's the bind I think social conservatives are stuck in; they don't believe in a woman's right to choose, but also don't believe in easy access to birth control, or to have it taught in their classroom. Catch-22, IMO.
But this seems to suggest that you can't try to prevent them from having sex while at the same time providing them with the means to be safe if they do it anyway. There is no fine line, since birth control doesn't enable poor choices. We all know that teenagers need no enabling whatsoever when it comes to having sex; they just need enabling when it comes to being safe about it, which is a good choice. Just because my car came with a seatbelt doesn't mean I'm going to drive more recklessly.
I would believe that if abstinence-only curricula wasn't anti-birth control. It's not like it's neutral, ya know. So if that's why people promote it, maybe they should take the time to learn a little more about what they're promoting (for other people's kids).
exactly.
and.....
EXACTLY!
(i'd also think it would be of concernf or those who seem most concerned about the rights of the unborn....if there is no conception, then there is no issue...beyond society and/or parents trying to control their children's actions and morality)
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You got it...I'm pro-choice, but it's due to the lack of any other options. I'd be more than happy if there was never the need to have any abortions, but for that to be the case, there'd need to be a sea change in how contraceptive use is taught in schools, how it's viewed by society, etc. Unfortunately, I think that still may be a long way off.
Another fun nugget about the Bush administration; I've long thought that their increased focus and aid towards HIV in Africa was one of their best achievements (granted, there weren't many to choose from). However, I then found out that alot of the funds for sex education included in the aid money sent to the continent were contingent on the fact that the sex-ed programs recieving the money taught abstinence-only. Way to go George.
i have said the very same often enough in this forum - how i wish for the non-neccesssity of abortion except in extreme cases of need. i think it IS very, very possible...but it would require weeping changes and yes, HUGE changes on the social stigma front. i may be a dreamer...but i am also quite realistic.
as to georgey-boy......sadly, nothing surprises me.
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Exactly, it is about personal freedom, which used to be a tenet of the Republican Party. I have a feeling that if the abortion issue had been an issue fifty years ago, Republicans of that period might have had a very different view. Freedom and personal liberty at all costs. But lately the Republican Party has been all about social issues. It seems to be that the young stars of the party (Arnold, Bobby Jindal in LA, etc) seem to be moving the party away from the 'moral majority' stranglehold. I sincerely hope that trend continues in the years to come.
I wasn't talking about anyone here judging...just in general, sorry for the confusion.
You don't see how giving your kid a condom might be enabling a behavior that you disagree with? I'm not saying it's right one way or the other here, but it's hardly an easy choice to make, for me at least.
Don't have sex!!!! But here's some condoms. ?
how is it enabling?
do you not believe your child would make their own choice with or without your consent? did you follow your parent's wishes in regards to sex...alcohol...drugs....etc?
i think it is VERY possible to express your pov, your beliefs....but ALSO have your kids informed, know where to go for even more information if needed, feel they can discuss such with you....and know while you have your beliefs and hopes/desires for them, what you wish for them...you do realize it is their own choice. so while you encourage them to make decisions wisely, you can yes, 'prepare them'....in case they DO decide to make a choice different from what you would prefer. one can explain why it's the best idea not to have sex...but sure, be realistic and know it's a deicsion they will make on their own, and be sure to have them prepared for that.
obviously, many can and do disagree with me here.....but i really do think it's possible...and probably for the best, healthiest parent/child relationship. you really can't stop your kids from being sexually active, but you can greatly reduce the chances of unintended pregnancy and disease. obviously, you can influence their thoughts and behaviors....but you cannot 'make' them think as you do...and we all know how much 'thinking' goes on oftentimes in these situations in any case. it would be great to see a young teen prepared, informed.....and making wise decisions, even if they do decide to have intercourse.
i think it is very much in line with being anti-alcohol/drugs...but always infomring your child poor decisions or not, to call for a ride no matter what, if they are in no condition to drive or in the company of those in no condition to drive. i don't consider it enabling.....i consider it helping to protect.
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Having your kids informed and actually giving them the condom are 2 very different things.
Don't get me wrong, I completely understand what you're saying. I'm just working my way through figuring out what I'd do, I have some time to get ready for it though, thankfully.
I do agree with your anti-drug/alcohol statement. In that scenario though, they've already made a poor decision and you are protecting them from making a bigger one. This could be a direct corelation to the sex issue, but it may not be. I have to think abotu that...good post.
1. Creepy.
2. They surveyed the participants and guess what -- the kids still had sex. Shocker.
Yeah, I always thought that was pretty creepy too.
I know. If only there were a way people who didn't want their children could bring them to term and have them, and then give them to people who want children, but for whatever reason can't have them.
If only someone would invent such a system. But, alas, no such fantasy land exists.
Abort, away!
for the least they could possibly do
I see how some people might think that, but I don't believe it's true.
I think instead of just oversimplifying the issue by just saying, "YOU BETTER NOT BE HAVING SEX!!!" we should teach our children that sex is a normal part of life, but that we need to use good judgement when deciding when to have it, with whom, and with what kind of protection. Hopefully then they'll actually think about all of this in its full complicated glory before proceeding instead of disregarding what we say entirely.
I'll leave you with this quote by Butch Hancock (which was quoted in an article I read about why we have such a hard time controlling birth in the U.S.):
"Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love."