John Kerry Rips The Troops
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o
I was surprised there wasn't a thread in here about this yet. Thoughts?
I was surprised there wasn't a thread in here about this yet. Thoughts?
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dont be surprised. look around with the type of people in here.
I think that was a disgrace what he said.
With just 10 seconds of a clip there is no room to make a decision like "John Kerry Rips The Troops", because you have no idea what he said after that...
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I'm surprised he said that too. I have alot of respect for his service to our country. but he said what he said and its disgraceful. dont try to defend it.
it's the truth. i don't know anyone who joined the military except for the bonuses. those recruiters are pretty good at making them feel like it was their only option. how often do you see military recruiters in poor towns? a perfect example is in the michael moore 9/11 documentary. they were targeting people in poor ass flint michigan. i bet you don't see them in the suburbs.
~Ron Burgundy
are the remarks of a traitor worth repeating? i'm going to a vietnam vetrens party saturday and they still feel the effects of kerry's actions before congress in the early '70's. men like tillman gave up million dollar contracts to stand for what they believe in; then this asshole comes along and belittles them; AND everyone else who died for their beliefs; and their country. fewer sholdiers have died in iraq since the beginning of the war than died in the WTC attack in minutes. these men died so we wouldn't have another attack of this magnatude on american soil.
whether you support the war or not; at least respect those who believe they are risking their lives for YOU.
I think it's disgraceful that what he said is true. It's the poor who cannot afford college who go to Iraq and die. He isn't saying "the dumb kids sign up for the military and go to Iraq because they're dumb". He is just stating that the military is the only option for many lower class families for their child to get to go to college, they are literally dying for the oppertunity to go to college.
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amen
that's funny; michael moore writes a story as fictional as ghostbusters and some still believe it was fact.
does anyone realize that the service offers some of the best education around with the highest technical advances?
How the hell is John Kerry a traitor? He WENT to war. He got SHOT AT. It's funny how you can call someone who actually served in a war a traitor and then at the end of your rant you say "at least respect those who believe they are rigking their lives for YOU".
Senator Kerry saw the horrible actions going on in Vietnam and was brave enough to stand up for what he thought was right. Do I need to say again that he actually went to war.
As far as Pat Tillman, he was AGAINST the war in Iraq. He loses his life and what happens? He gets exploited for dying in action, when all along the military knew that friendly fire killed him.
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I think there are claims in that movie that aren't true but when you shadow two army recruiters who you can see doop people into interviewing with the army it's hard to think that they don't target the poor.
Before you try and claim that they are probably actors, one of the men in the recruiting part of 9/11 died in action a month or 2 ago.
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so did michael moore recruit the recruiters?
i was pointing at one part of the film. and it is true that they recruit the lower class.
yes, they get a great education. some of them pay a terrible price and die while they are on active duty. this war, or any war, is not worth one persons life.
~Ron Burgundy
oh yes; a man who self inflicted wounds to get out of the army after only FOUR FRICKEN MONTHS is surely a hero. then he returns to say that every sholdier is a baby killer because of one incident where a platoon went crazy after the VC planted booby traps on little babies to kill them. how much of that could you take? then after you serve you come home to be spat on. nice hero you have. what about the actual footage of kerry throwing his purple heart over the white house fence. good american hero you have there.
Other educational options for poorer people; work your ass off in school and get good enough grades to get an acedemic scholarship, excel in a sport and get a sports scholarship, apply for the millions of other scholarships out there, work part time and attend a community college, work full time and attend school part time.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Kerry is only half the soldier Cheney is.
several students were raped at ASU; is that a better price to pay for education? a friend was killed by a drunk driver while attending U of I; maybe that's a better price to pay.
moore knew where every republican was; what they were thinking; what they knew and the exact moment they knew it; all while sitting on his fat ass in california. why; he must be a god or something.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,77951,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl
Maybe it's because the wages we pay our fighting men and women are so awful that families of servicemen sometimes have to go on food stamps to make ends meet. Maybe it's because on-base housing is so crappy and the rental markets near Army bases are overpriced (because True American landlords can't resist making a profit at the expense of our servicemen and -women.) Maybe it's also because the VA doesn't commit enough resources to treating post-traumatic stress disorder. Maybe it's because we give their families a pathetic $12,000 when they die.
I love people who talk about "supporting our troops" but who don't give a shit about the details of what that actually means, about how our troops live and die.
And while we're using Pat Tillman's memory to support the way, let's hear from his brother, Kevin, who joined at the same time Pat did:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
Not everyone is blessed with brains to get the grades to get a scholarship, not everyone can excel in sports to get a scholarship. For many of these people the military is their ONLY choice. Sure no one is holding a gun to their head, but what options do they have if they aren't in the top 10 at their school or a stand out sports star
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How many of you college/university folk went to Iraq or know anyone of your academic friends who decided to go to Iraq? Sure there are a few but they are rare.
The flip side of this is that its academic folk who have the education that comment on the war and rip it up but they arent the ones there fighting it, its the non academics dying for it.
Bottom line: get everyone the fuck out of Iraq and start concentrating on your own problems.
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people do have a lot of options. don't forget that there are alot of people who come from broken families that feel the need and desire to be something. it is pretty easy to 'prey' on someone like that. i've seen it first hand. they used to come in our high school library all the time.
much easier said than done. i think it would be 100 times easier to join the army than it would to do any of the things you listed; furthermore, it is easier to make that decision when a recruiter makes it seem like heaven.
~Ron Burgundy
amen; dude.
most commercial pilots were trained in the air force. in the last 20 years i personally know of at least 10 people who enlisted so they could fulfill their dreams to become commercial pilots. the list goes on and on.
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Hehehe. Good one.
the list keeps going on and on every day of some young soul who loses his life in Iraq trying to pay for his college so his mom and dad don't have to. For every one person who joins to pursue their dream job of being a pilot, there are hundreds who had no other option to pay for college.
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if they don't have the brains; be thankful there IS a place for them and not in jail. be grateful they have an option to get an education and make something of their lives.