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lazymoon13

Byrnzie wrote:

And you think that the handful of those who have 'gained' outweighs the millions who have been killed or have been driven out of the country?

no I don't. I'm simply stating that some of gained. relax fella.

puremagic

lazymoon13 wrote:

I'm saying there are unknowns. where these lies you speak of, lies or fucked up intelligence? maybe a little of both I think..

but I agree bush completely failed when it came to the reasons for going to war. WMDs is all we heard about and it turned out false. because of that I'm not going to determine as fact that the only reason they pushed forward with this war was to make some profit.

I believe, however, that bush will be looked at as one of the worst presidents in history because of the failed justification.

-Bush and his administration fabricated, distorted, twisted and manipulated lies, into justifications to "create" intel to enter into a conflict with Iraq.

- The only thing that is recognizable on a global scale is the "selective" war profiteering that has come out of this war. Whether you acknowledge such or not.

lazymoon13 wrote:

history has yet to determine this. one possible good outcome is that it will end the divide among sunnis/shiites. they have come a long way since the invasion and have a long way to go. under saddam, this divide would have only been driven deeper.

-How many people have to die in the name of history? History only shows that at some point, when the killing becomes nothing more than an afterthought, it is stopped until another generation takes over. So goes the Middle East.

-What was the refugee count under Saddam? What was the death toll under Saddam? What are those numbers now?

lazymoon13 wrote:

south korea seems to be doing just fine. Iraq would be lucky to turn out like them. you're going to have to have patience. this country and a free democracy is going to take time and develop on its own. I'm actually amazed at the progress that has happened thus far. I had no idea of the deep seeded hatred those groups have for each other.

-South Korea for all its accomplishments is still a militarily occupied country accountable to the U.S. No, formal declaration of war was ever issued by the Congress of the United States of America against Korea. Had we performed the reconstruction work in Iraq for which the taxpayers were milked billions of dollars for, maybe, we wouldn't now be spending more taxpayer dollars for our so-called enemies not to harm our troops and the tribes would actually be working together to rebuild their country.

-This is joke right!!! Why should the American public be patient? What, so that one day when the oil starts flowing under the shadow of the U.S. flag we can say it was all worth it? I'm not that vain to silently accept the death of anyone for greed. I'm, also, not that naive not to realize that having gas prices hit $4 and $5 dollars a gallon will allow the politicians to make a case with the blessing of the people to stay in Iraq.

-You speak of democracy developing on its own, then why the fuck are we still there, we've planted the seed, formalized a Constitution, established a government pecking order, and had the election, we can monitor the progress from home? The Eastern Bloc countries have done it - or wasn't that the Plan for Iraq? Of course it wasn't the Plan, it was never the Plan because we never had any intention of leaving the Iraq. Iraq will and shall remain a cheap version of South Korea.

-You speak of deep seeded hatred of those groups, take at look at the current climate in our own backyard. Hate is easy to resurrect and quick to spread. The Middle East, the tribes of Abram fighting each other over promises made, yes, it will take more generations to get pass this, yet shit just keeps piling on. Is it our place to continue to stay and die over promised land and the fire below.