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  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Firstly, I don't believe in evil. Secondly, If I did then I wouldn't say that the U.S is evil, although I may use that description to describe certain elements in positions of power in the U.S.

    As far as figuring out how to talk with people who deny that the holocaust happened, I would suggest that we use the same methods which were used to discredit Dr David Irvine - I.e, reasoned analysis of the evidence.
    We should not allow ourselves to be drawn into the freedom of speech debate just because a bunch of arseholes say something we don't like. There will always be people who say something that someone, somewhere, doesn't like. I'm sure that a lot of Iranians have taken offence in the not so distant past at the Islamaphobia and outright racism towards Arabs which has been displayed in the West.

    I'd just like to point out that we didn't really get into the freedom of speech thing on the thread. Pretty much everyone agrees that people should be able to say what they like so long as they aren't causing harm. As for reasoned debate I'd just point out that you call for it yourself, but you sound exceptionally unreasonable in your arguments about how terrible America is. If you value reasoned debate you should try to be a better model of it yourself.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dayan wrote:
    OK, I believe we've gotten into this before, so I'm not going to get dragged into an argument over Israel and Palestine. All I'm saying is that to my ears and to the ears of many other people the statements made about wiping Israel off the map sound genocidal, alot like the older Arab wish to drive the Jews of Israel into the sea. Given our previous arguments I don't expect to convince you of anything so hopefully we can agree to disagree.

    Fair enough.
    I just don't believe we should put too much stock into comments of this type made by such leaders. If we were to look at all incendiary comments from Irans leader, Israel's leader, and Bush e.t.c, then I'm sure things would even out nicely.

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