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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    dayan wrote:
    I mean it probably won't happen, which is why you know who (Yosi you know) is probably going to feel that they have to try to hit Iran, which sucks, cause really it should be the world acting as one who should deal with Iran and not our buddies over you know where. (I don't want to say the name cause it tends to bring out all the worst tendencies of people on this site)

    Word. I miss our buddies.

    By the way, Shuki comes home on Thursday. I'm so fucking excited.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    what exactly is more of a threat than a state that calls America its enemy and has done so since 1979 without stop, that has been responsible for the deaths of Americans (and still is as we speak) and is seeking to acquire nuclear weapons?
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    Mmm, Shuki. Can't wait to see him. Send him my love. And what's with you saying "word" so much?
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    soulsinging wrote:
    no, i dont admit it. your view is not the only view my friend. i know you get a hard on for being an armchair general,

    sorry, i stopped reading after this point...i just assume the rest was unoriginal cliches....

    *updated*

    wow, i was right!

    Why is it so hard for you people to think in present terms? I really don't care about 2003 b/c it already occurred. how about we address reality. Iraq IS the central front right now. yes, maybe it wasn't in 2003, but it is now. IT IS NOW. can you distinguish reality from utopia?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    dayan wrote:
    what exactly is more of a threat than a state that calls America its enemy and has done so since 1979 without stop, that has been responsible for the deaths of Americans (and still is as we speak) and is seeking to acquire nuclear weapons?

    I don't disagree with you at all. I'm just saying, there is no way the world will view it like that. Because of the context that its in, because people will associate it too much with Iraq, it just will never happen right now.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    dayan wrote:
    Mmm, Shuki. Can't wait to see him. Send him my love. And what's with you saying "word" so much?

    It's quicker than saying "I agree with..."
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    yosi wrote:
    I don't disagree with you at all. I'm just saying, there is no way the world will view it like that. Because of the context that its in, because people will associate it too much with Iraq, it just will never happen right now.

    Balls!
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    you think it's great, that we should discuss whether or not the halocaust happened?

    Absolutely. It's obvious there are certain people (and groups of people) who have their minds set on denying and dismissing it all together. So the rational thing to do is to discuss it, present facts (from both sides ), debate the authenticity of those facts; and see if they can come to a conclusion or middle ground. Only then can the issue be put to rest.

    What good does it do, with everyone reacting in emotional outrage?

    All your doing is allowing them to push your buttons and get you all riled up. You're feeding the fire.

    Now, coming together for something like this brings all the alleged geniuses together so they can share their experiences and present their facts.

    Certainly there will be plenty of facts presented on this issue. And that is a good thing.....a productive thing.

    Purple Hawk wrote:
    seriously? this is your serious opinion?

    Absolutely. You mean to tell me you seriously think this is a bad thing?

    Considering all the accusations and theories being presented about it never having had happened; it is important for the facts to presented in a rational and reasonable manner.
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    This isn't high school civics class. it's reality unfolding.

    Correct, it is reality unfolding. The reality of it all is that there has been a movement by certain individuals and certain groups of people to disprove and dismiss that it ever happened. So the logical approach is to provide facts which squash these movements and theories. Squash the theories.......you squash the movement and therefore squash the individuals behind the theories and movements. That's reality.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    yosi wrote:
    It's quicker than saying "I agree with..."

    That's fair.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    dayan wrote:
    what exactly is more of a threat than a state that calls America its enemy and has done so since 1979 without stop, that has been responsible for the deaths of Americans (and still is as we speak) and is seeking to acquire nuclear weapons?

    becos since 1979 they've been talking and havent done anything. and we were told iraq was an imminent threat. it was total bullshit and americans dont like being lied to. now it's some freedom quest. they're not going to trust the government to make the right decision after they fucked the last one up so badly.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    sorry, i stopped reading after this point...i just assume the rest was unoriginal cliches....

    *updated*

    wow, i was right!

    Why is it so hard for you people to think in present terms? I really don't care about 2003 b/c it already occurred. how about we address reality. Iraq IS the central front right now. yes, maybe it wasn't in 2003, but it is now. IT IS NOW. can you distinguish reality from utopia?

    regardless, we cant do jack shit about iran. so i dont see what your point is? like it or not, our actions in iraq have hampered us from acting in iran now. regardless of this "central front" nonsense, what do you propose we do about iran? do you have any constructive solutions yourself? can you deal with that reality NOW?

    and if you're such a military genius, why havent you enlisted? cos apparently we need someone who knows what the hell they're doing.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    soulsinging wrote:
    becos since 1979 they've been talking and havent done anything. and we were told iraq was an imminent threat. it was total bullshit and americans dont like being lied to. now it's some freedom quest. they're not going to trust the government to make the right decision after they fucked the last one up so badly.

    I think you might want to revise your statement about them not having done anything. There was the hostages from the American embassy, there were the 240 odd marines killed by Hezballah (an arm of the Iranian revolution) in beirut in the 80s, not to mention that Iran is currently playing host to a number of prominent members of al Qaida including Bin Laden's son, and the list goes on.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    dayan wrote:
    I think you might want to revise your statement about them not having done anything. There was the hostages from the American embassy, there were the 240 odd marines killed by Hezballah (an arm of the Iranian revolution) in beirut in the 80s, not to mention that Iran is currently playing host to a number of prominent members of al Qaida including Bin Laden's son, and the list goes on.

    Dude, I'm out. Got a final at 8:30 tomorrow. Will talk to you later.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    peace
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    dayan wrote:
    I think you might want to revise your statement about them not having done anything. There was the hostages from the American embassy, there were the 240 odd marines killed by Hezballah (an arm of the Iranian revolution) in beirut in the 80s, not to mention that Iran is currently playing host to a number of prominent members of al Qaida including Bin Laden's son, and the list goes on.

    the hostage crisis, yes. but american memories are short. to a generation that barely remembers the last commercial break, that's about as relevant as the civil war. hezbollah has ties to iran perhaps, but they're tenuous and difficult to prove and the american public would never buy it after the admin betrayed their confidence in iraq. ditto with bin laden and alqaida. if we were truly serious about them, we'd not have bailed out on afghanistan to go romping through iraq (which had no ties to al-qaida). but we dont really care much about al-qaida.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    Why is it so hard for you people to think in present terms? I really don't care about 2003 b/c it already occurred. how about we address reality. Iraq IS the central front right now. yes, maybe it wasn't in 2003, but it is now. IT IS NOW. can you distinguish reality from utopia?


    You're the one not living in reality.

    Things are much more complicated, now, then they were in 2003. It's not 2003 and it's not 2001. Half the world couldn't give a rat's ass about 9/11, because our military went and bombed the crap out of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. You lose support when you go and punch the crap out the little neighbors of the neighborhood bullies.

    To make matters worse, we hung around and occupied the little neighbors home with arrogance, ill-advised, poorly though-out and poorly executed strategy.

    So the little neighbor has been inflicting damage to the occupying bully and made a joke of the occupying bully. With help from all the bigger, neighboring bullies; of course.

    We didn't do the right thing. So the rest of the world has no faith in us doing the right thing.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    "In several European countries, denial of the Holocaust is a crime."
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Bendikt Frings, 48, a psychologist from Germany, said he believed that Mr. Ahmadinejad was “an honest, direct man.” He said he had come to the conference to thank the president for what he had initiated.

    “We are forbidden to have such a conference in Germany,” he said. “All my childhood, we waited for something like this.”

    Frederick Toben, from Australia, said Mr. Ahmadinejad had opened an issue “which is morally and intellectually crippling the Western society.”

    “People are imprisoned in Germany for denying the Holocaust,” he added. Mr. Toben said that he was jailed for six months in 1999 for his ideas and that there was a court order in Germany to arrest him if he again spoke against the Holocaust.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Genocide, yes, it was.

    Holocaust?
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    'American David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, is to present a paper.'

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