they were always there for me. taught me that no one should ever touch me and that I should always go to them if anyone ever did or said anything that made me uncomfortable.
There are ignorant parents in every country so shouldn't this be a global law??? Nice dig at the rednecks though as if they are the only ones with problems....
I'm not denying anyone anything, I just think that there is a line to what should be taught at school and at home. Does this cross the line? Not necessarily but spending a large chunk of classroom time teaching about things that could better be covered in small short information sessions with younger children is a waste IMO. As they get older and the issues are more complicated, devote more time.
In many cases child abuse is occuring in the home. They give teachers the right to bring weapons to school, but you're not willing to let a qualified person come to the school and talk to children about child abuse. By time a child gets older, the damage is done.
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and to address the whole "parents should teach there child" thing....
for the record, I agree....but sadly, sometimes the parent is the pedophile...so, yeah, I guess the parents can be blamed in such a case...
I guess it's a bad thing to have a safety net in place...
there is absolutely nothing wrong with a safety net in place. but where do you draw the line when it comes to sexual education in public schools for 5 year olds?
I'm all for some type of constructive way to teach such young kids the dangers of life.
they were always there for me. taught me that no one should ever touch me and that I should always go to them if anyone ever did or said anything that made me uncomfortable.
thats horrible. where were your parents? you couldnt go to them? they never talked to you about such things?
sounds like a fault in parenting, not fault in public schooling.
Hey jerk....
I had great parents that (like you) probably thought they would save the sex talk for later years.
I didn't know what a hard-on was... To me it was just my uncle being goofy. I thought he was cool, and I loved spending the summers with my aunt, uncle and their kids.
I was raised in a crazy ass Baptist middle class family. We didn't discuss sex ever, because of religion that's why.
I had great parents that (like you) probably thought they would save the sex talk for later years.
I didn't know what a hard-on was... To me it was just my uncle being goofy. I thought he was cool, and I loved spending the summers with my aunt, uncle and their kids.
I was raised in a crazy ass Baptist middle class family. We didn't discuss sex ever, because of religion that's why.
no need for name calling. I was simply asking a question. I guess I was raised differently then you...and inmytree.
and to address the whole "parents should teach there child" thing....
for the record, I agree....but sadly, sometimes the parent is the pedophile...so, yeah, I guess the parents can be blamed in such a case...
I guess it's a bad thing to have a safety net in place...
It's not even that... as a foreigner I am appalled at this obsession with parents being the only point of reference in their kids' lives. When I was little my mom and dad were more than happy to let the nurses at school share with us what they are much more knowledgeable about. Beginning in elementary school. Sometimes these talk... people only get around to them when it's late, or they address these issues in a sloppy way. There are people in schools who have studied these things extensively, and the best way to communicate them to children according to their developmental stage. I don't understand what the big deal is. If it saves any woman from the tragedy of going through an abortion, I say the more the better. For some kids it will be redundant, for some it won't.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
if this had happened to me, I would go directly to my parents and tell them. wouldnt you?
If you can't see what you said was wrong, then i give up.
When i was 7, i'd had the 'stranger danger talk', from my parents, and they had talked to me about people talking 'inappropriately to me or touching me where they shouldn't and things like that. Sure. But i can tell you that if someone mentioned things like 'hard on' to me or 'show us your pussy', i would've thought they were talking about a freaking pussy cat. How the hell would i know that was inappropriate talk? Now, do you get it a bit clearer now? You have no right to criticize stangest tribes parents. No right.
In many cases child abuse is occuring in the home. They give teachers the right to bring weapons to school, but you're not willing to let a qualified person come to the school and talk to children about child abuse. By time a child gets older, the damage is done.
Where did I say I wouldn't let a qualified person talk to children about child abuse??? I said that a full classtime everyweek during the school year should't be allocated to sex education for young children. I see no problems with having monthly presentations about sexual issues to young children but not a permanent weekly class.
And where did I say I supported teachers having weapons in schools???
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If you can't see what you said was wrong, then i give up.
When i was 7, i'd had the 'stranger danger talk', from my parents, and they had talked to me about people talking 'inappropriately to me or touching me where they shouldn't and things like that. Sure. But i can tell you that if someone mentioned things like 'hard on' to me or 'show us your pussy', i would've thought they were talking about a freaking pussy cat. How the hell would i know that was inappropriate talk? Now, do you get it a bit clearer now? You have no right to criticize stangest tribes parents. No right.
well apparently his parents didnt talk about such things for religious reasons. sorry but thats a fault of theirs IMO.
We all know that you just like little boys so much and want a better experience with them, that's why you want them to be "educated".
Keep on keepin on with the bs comments...you crossed the line.
what line...?
clowns in the mchouse camp want to make it look like obama wants to teach 5 year old about fucking...which is bullshit...and when supporters get some push back...suddenly a line is crossed....
for the record...children should be kept safe...plan and simple...to me, giving a child some information that will keep them safe is a good thing, not a bad thing...
the true bs here came from the mchouse camp...of course, they get a free pass....
It's difficult to discuss sex with your children. It's uncomfortable because they are naturally curious. So as a parent I found myself conflicted about what to say to my son because I knew he would repeat it and most likely he'd repeat it at school or to some other kid whose parents had kept them in the dark with the sex ed stuff.
I was always afraid that another parent or teacher would call angry about what I had been teaching my boy.
I would have welcomed some help. But sex is so stigmaed in this country it makes you paranoid about what is appropriate.
Regardless of the differing positions on the issue, and it is certainly an issue on whether this is appropriate, can we all be non-partisan and agree that the way the McCain camp spun this is absolutely ludicrous?
It's difficult to discuss sex with your children. It's uncomfortable because they are naturally curious. So as a parent I found myself conflicted about what to say to my son because I knew he would repeat it and most likely he'd repeat it at school or to some other kid whose parents had kept them in the dark with the sex we stuff.
I was always afraid that another parent or teacher would call angry about what I had been teaching my boy.
I would have welcomed some help. But sex is so stigmaed in this country it makes you paranoid about what is appropriate.
there are people you can reach out to for advice, parents, doctors, child psychiatrists, child abuse organizations, etc.....I agree its a touchy subject to talk about and very difficult to do correctly. as a parent, you should reach out for help and advice. just a thought.
Regardless of the differing positions on the issue, and it is certainly an issue on whether this is appropriate, can we all be non-partisan and agree that the way the McCain camp spun this is absolutely ludicrous?
Regardless of the differing positions on the issue, and it is certainly an issue on whether this is appropriate, can we all be non-partisan and agree that the way the McCain camp spun this is absolutely ludicrous?
McCain's is a desperate POS! I respected the man going into this election, and have lost all that respect and then some. It is sad that he is willing to destroy any semblance of decency in this race and make it just like the last 2.
Here's a link refuting the add, in case any of you actually believe that the bill promoted sex-ed for kindergartners.
If you're too lazy to read, topics such as intercourse and other behaviours were reserved for OLDER grades. Kindergarten instruction would have taught children to avoid abuse. AND if the parent didn't feel this was an appropriate subject for their child, they were allowed to request that their child be removed from the class during that subject.
Republicans are lying, cheating bastards, and I hope and pray that McCain never sniffs the White House! :mad:
yeah, and you appear to have the view of "fuck 'em", because you do not approve of others attempting to teach the child of the dangers that are out there.
this makes no sense whatsoever. whatever baseless point you are trying to make is probably wrong.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26649779/
topics such as intercourse and other behaviours were reserved for OLDER grades. Kindergarten instruction would have taught children to avoid abuse. AND if the parent didn't feel this was an appropriate subject for their child, they were allowed to request that their child be removed from the class during that subject.
I have no problem with this. sounds like an acceptable plan. mccain camp dropped the ball on this one
Spyguy has a problem of looking up things on his own. He could have saved himself a lot of grief if he would have done a simple google search. Instead, he asks uninformed questions and makes asinine statements. Best to just ingore the poor lad.
well apparently his parents didnt talk about such things for religious reasons. sorry but thats a fault of theirs IMO.
Sorry man I should have learned by now never to post while I'm angered.
If we can keep the partisanship out of the conversation with the nature of the current events we are discussing, perhaps we should agree that children need to have some discussion at an early age.
I don't think it should be forced by the government but it should be available for parents that approve. I wanted my child to learn from me before picking it up on the playground... I only wish as a parent it wasn't such a difficult discussion. Ha ha... After I had my first talk with my son and I put him to bed I kept replaying the talk over and over in my mind til I had myself convinced my son just thought I was a babbling idiot. I must have asked him if he understood me 25 times. LOL
Some people prefer to shelter their children.. I understand that, sometimes I guess.... 30years ago it was different but it seems to me children are learning much earlier than ever...
So it's hard to shelter them so much anymore especially in public schools.
Spyguy has a problem of looking up things on his own. He could have saved himself a lot of grief if he would have done a simple google search. Instead, he asks uninformed questions and makes asinine statements. Best to just ingore the poor lad.
I clearly stated my opinion on the first page of this thread. try to pay attention
Sorry man I should have learned by now never to post while I'm angered.
If we can keep the partisanship out of the conversation with the nature of the current events we are discussing, perhaps we should agree that children need to have some discussion at an early age.
I don't think it should be forced by the government but it should be available for parents that approve. I wanted my child to learn from me before picking it up on the playground... I only wish as a parent it wasn't such a difficult discussion. Ha ha... After I had my first talk with my son and I put him to bed I kept replaying the talk over and over in my mind til I had myself convinced my son just thought I was a babbling idiot. I must have asked him if he understood me 25 times. LOL
Some people prefer to shelter their children.. I understand that, sometimes I guess.... 30years ago it was different but it seems to me children are learning much earlier than ever...
So it's hard to shelter them so much anymore especially in public schools.
I apologize if I offended you, that wasnt my intention. this is a difficult subject to talk about. this is not a partisan issue for me. children need to be protected at all costs, I agree.
seriously, take my advice. there are people and organizations that will help you with this. its worth looking into if you are questioning your techniques.
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where am I going wrong? please tell me.
if this had happened to me, I would go directly to my parents and tell them. wouldnt you?
for the record, I agree....but sadly, sometimes the parent is the pedophile...so, yeah, I guess the parents can be blamed in such a case...
I guess it's a bad thing to have a safety net in place...
they were always there for me. taught me that no one should ever touch me and that I should always go to them if anyone ever did or said anything that made me uncomfortable.
where were yours?
In many cases child abuse is occuring in the home. They give teachers the right to bring weapons to school, but you're not willing to let a qualified person come to the school and talk to children about child abuse. By time a child gets older, the damage is done.
there is absolutely nothing wrong with a safety net in place. but where do you draw the line when it comes to sexual education in public schools for 5 year olds?
I'm all for some type of constructive way to teach such young kids the dangers of life.
its a thin line to walk on though, no?
so you say...I don't believe you...
Hey jerk....
I had great parents that (like you) probably thought they would save the sex talk for later years.
I didn't know what a hard-on was... To me it was just my uncle being goofy. I thought he was cool, and I loved spending the summers with my aunt, uncle and their kids.
I was raised in a crazy ass Baptist middle class family. We didn't discuss sex ever, because of religion that's why.
no need for name calling. I was simply asking a question. I guess I was raised differently then you...and inmytree.
It's not even that... as a foreigner I am appalled at this obsession with parents being the only point of reference in their kids' lives. When I was little my mom and dad were more than happy to let the nurses at school share with us what they are much more knowledgeable about. Beginning in elementary school. Sometimes these talk... people only get around to them when it's late, or they address these issues in a sloppy way. There are people in schools who have studied these things extensively, and the best way to communicate them to children according to their developmental stage. I don't understand what the big deal is. If it saves any woman from the tragedy of going through an abortion, I say the more the better. For some kids it will be redundant, for some it won't.
When i was 7, i'd had the 'stranger danger talk', from my parents, and they had talked to me about people talking 'inappropriately to me or touching me where they shouldn't and things like that. Sure. But i can tell you that if someone mentioned things like 'hard on' to me or 'show us your pussy', i would've thought they were talking about a freaking pussy cat. How the hell would i know that was inappropriate talk? Now, do you get it a bit clearer now? You have no right to criticize stangest tribes parents. No right.
We all know that you just like little boys so much and want a better experience with them, that's why you want them to be "educated".
Keep on keepin on with the bs comments...you crossed the line.
Where did I say I wouldn't let a qualified person talk to children about child abuse??? I said that a full classtime everyweek during the school year should't be allocated to sex education for young children. I see no problems with having monthly presentations about sexual issues to young children but not a permanent weekly class.
And where did I say I supported teachers having weapons in schools???
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well apparently his parents didnt talk about such things for religious reasons. sorry but thats a fault of theirs IMO.
what line...?
clowns in the mchouse camp want to make it look like obama wants to teach 5 year old about fucking...which is bullshit...and when supporters get some push back...suddenly a line is crossed....
for the record...children should be kept safe...plan and simple...to me, giving a child some information that will keep them safe is a good thing, not a bad thing...
the true bs here came from the mchouse camp...of course, they get a free pass....
I was always afraid that another parent or teacher would call angry about what I had been teaching my boy.
I would have welcomed some help. But sex is so stigmaed in this country it makes you paranoid about what is appropriate.
hey, ms. mature, I pm box is open if you want to get personal....
there are people you can reach out to for advice, parents, doctors, child psychiatrists, child abuse organizations, etc.....I agree its a touchy subject to talk about and very difficult to do correctly. as a parent, you should reach out for help and advice. just a thought.
the child suffers for the parents not talking about such things. I completely agree.
agreed
I agree with you on that.
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Here's a link refuting the add, in case any of you actually believe that the bill promoted sex-ed for kindergartners.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26649779/
If you're too lazy to read, topics such as intercourse and other behaviours were reserved for OLDER grades. Kindergarten instruction would have taught children to avoid abuse. AND if the parent didn't feel this was an appropriate subject for their child, they were allowed to request that their child be removed from the class during that subject.
Republicans are lying, cheating bastards, and I hope and pray that McCain never sniffs the White House! :mad:
this makes no sense whatsoever. whatever baseless point you are trying to make is probably wrong.
I have no problem with this. sounds like an acceptable plan. mccain camp dropped the ball on this one
Sorry man I should have learned by now never to post while I'm angered.
If we can keep the partisanship out of the conversation with the nature of the current events we are discussing, perhaps we should agree that children need to have some discussion at an early age.
I don't think it should be forced by the government but it should be available for parents that approve. I wanted my child to learn from me before picking it up on the playground... I only wish as a parent it wasn't such a difficult discussion. Ha ha... After I had my first talk with my son and I put him to bed I kept replaying the talk over and over in my mind til I had myself convinced my son just thought I was a babbling idiot. I must have asked him if he understood me 25 times. LOL
Some people prefer to shelter their children.. I understand that, sometimes I guess.... 30years ago it was different but it seems to me children are learning much earlier than ever...
So it's hard to shelter them so much anymore especially in public schools.
I clearly stated my opinion on the first page of this thread. try to pay attention
I apologize if I offended you, that wasnt my intention. this is a difficult subject to talk about. this is not a partisan issue for me. children need to be protected at all costs, I agree.
seriously, take my advice. there are people and organizations that will help you with this. its worth looking into if you are questioning your techniques.
I'm talking about post 90 where you finally figure out what the bill was about. Try to keep up, thanks.