McCain busts a nut for child molesters

cincybearcat

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Most child molestors are family members or relatives

Well there ya go, a very interesting point.

brandon10

cincybearcat wrote:

Not defending the ad at all...disagree with the op's rant a ridiculous statements.

Well just because the OP went way over the top with his statements, it doesn't make the ad any less of a problem. And I think the ad is something more imperative to discuss.

yoke

The ad is an issue I agree(should have worded it better, but lets not forget that bill was mainly to inform children about sex. Heres the bill so everyone can read it.




SB99 - Illinois 2003
K-12 Comprehensive Sex Education Bill

(1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective.
(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
(3) Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(4) Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure
rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(5) Course material and instruction shall stress that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be provided with statistics based on the latest medical information citing the failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.
(6) Course material and instruction shall advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal Code of 1961.
(7) Course material and instruction shall discuss and provide for the development of positive communication skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid unwanted sexual activity.
(8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize that the pupil has the power to control personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations, such as respect for oneself and others.
(9) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances and shall include information about verbal, physical, and
visual sexual harassment, including without limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, non consensual physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course material and instruction shall contain methods of preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that impairs one’s judgment. The course material and instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and respect for others and shall also encourage youth to resist negative peer pressure. The course material and instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance. Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful to touch an intimate part of another person, as specified in the Criminal Code of 1961.
(10) Course material and instruction shall teach male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence and shall teach female students about reducing vulnerability for sexual violence.
(11) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual assault, including resources for escaping violent relationships.
(12) Course material and instruction in classes that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to exploit another person.
(13) Course material and instruction shall be free of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, and sexual orientation biases.

DesignVHL

meistereder wrote:

You have to realize there are lots of morons out there who buy this stuff hook, line and sinker.

And sadly there are too many...how do you think bush got elected...twice.

MattyJoe

yoke wrote:

(1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective.
(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
(3) Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(4) Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure
rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(5) Course material and instruction shall stress that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be provided with statistics based on the latest medical information citing the failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.

Sex ed. Right there. Saying it was purely about sexual harassment/assault is a major distortion. But I've come to expect that from Obama supporters. McCain's ad was specifically about teaching young children too much about sex at such an age, not that the bill itself was wrong.

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MattyJoe wrote:

Sex ed. Right there. Saying it was purely about sexual harassment/assault is a major distortion. But I've come to expect that from Obama supporters. McCain's ad was specifically about teaching young children too much about sex at such an age, not that the bill itself was wrong.

(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.

Huh? What part of "age and developmentally appropriate" do you and McCain not understand?

How can either of you claim that Obama or this bill intended to teach "young children too much about sex at such an age" when the bill doesn't even say what to teach at what age, but only says NOT to teach anything age-inappropriate?

As a matter of fact, I don't even believe the bill says sex ed must be taught to anyone at all - it only stipulates criteria (such as "medically accurate" and "age and developmentally appropriate") for classes that DO teach sex ed.

stupidcorporatewhore

can a ban on "everybody poops" be far behind?

BetterThanYou

spyguy wrote:

IMO this is a job for parents, not the public school system.

nail on the fucking head. schools need to stick to prepping kids for college and a career. let the parents worry about telling their kids to not get into a strangers car, even if they're offering candy or a puppy.

_

stupidcorporatewhore wrote:

can a ban on "everybody poops" be far behind?

Haha! I love that book! And that's actually a really good question. I see it coming...

yoke

scb wrote:

Huh? What part of "age and developmentally appropriate" do you and McCain not understand?

How can either of you claim that Obama or this bill intended to teach "young children too much about sex at such an age" when the bill doesn't even say what to teach at what age, but only says NOT to teach anything age-inappropriate?

As a matter of fact, I don't even believe the bill says sex ed must be taught to anyone at all - it only stipulates criteria (such as "medically accurate" and "age and developmentally appropriate") for classes that DO teach sex ed.

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robbie wrote:

well, intelligent people will recall that the legislation Obama is being attacked for was teaching young children how to avoid child molesters.

this is my point right here from the OP... I wasn't stating anything other than the fact that the bill was not designed for that. Also, can you tell me what is age appropriate for a 5 year old?

Also the jab out Palins husband knocking up his daughter twice was a nice from the OP.

SoonForgotten2

The bill was a blanket bill to cover all public schooling K-12. That's where the age appropriateness comes in.

I see the responsibility of schools to educate and prepare students for the real world. People can moan on and on about what is the parents' responsibility, but the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of shit parents out there and I, for one, would rather their children have a better chance in life than having to rely fully on such parents. And again, too often sexual abuse comes from within the family. These children deserve better.

Open

BetterThanYou wrote:

nail on the fucking head. schools need to stick to prepping kids for college and a career. let the parents worry about telling their kids to not get into a strangers car, even if they're offering candy or a puppy.

Then lets throw out all the child molestation laws while we're at it. Parents can protect their kids.

Strangest Tribe

BetterThanYou wrote:

nail on the fucking head. schools need to stick to prepping kids for college and a career. let the parents worry about telling their kids to not get into a strangers car, even if they're offering candy or a puppy.

the bill didn't pass and it wasn't going to be mandatory anyway

rebornFixer

Honestly? This sort of post is pretty shameful.

BetterThanYou

Open wrote:

Then lets throw out all the child molestation laws while we're at it. Parents can protect their kids.

oh, fuck off. how did you get that from what i posted?

catch22

spyguy wrote:

I'm not for or against this bill. honestly, I dont know enough about it. I'm just commenting on the OP's comments that mccain loves child molesters etc etc.

I'm not blindly following mccain although I do believe that sexual education should be limited to 5 year olds. if any.

and teaching kids "to avoid situations with strangers, molesters" is fantastic but doing so involves sexual education.

IMO this is a job for parents, not the public school system.

that's the point. you don't know what this bill is about. and most people won't. and mccain's ad is a gross distortion. it has nothing to do with teaching 5 year olds about sex.

spyguy

catch22 wrote:

that's the point. you don't know what this bill is about. and most people won't. and mccain's ad is a gross distortion. it has nothing to do with teaching 5 year olds about sex.

really?


SB99 - Illinois 2003
K-12 Comprehensive Sex Education Bill

(1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective.
(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
(3) Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(4) Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure
rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(5) Course material and instruction shall stress that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be provided with statistics based on the latest medical information citing the failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.
(6) Course material and instruction shall advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal Code of 1961.
(7) Course material and instruction shall discuss and provide for the development of positive communication skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid unwanted sexual activity.
(8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize that the pupil has the power to control personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations, such as respect for oneself and others.
(9) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances and shall include information about verbal, physical, and
visual sexual harassment, including without limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, non consensual physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course material and instruction shall contain methods of preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that impairs one’s judgment. The course material and instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and respect for others and shall also encourage youth to resist negative peer pressure. The course material and instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance. Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful to touch an intimate part of another person, as specified in the Criminal Code of 1961.
(10) Course material and instruction shall teach male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence and shall teach female students about reducing vulnerability for sexual violence.
(11) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual assault, including resources for escaping violent relationships.
(12) Course material and instruction in classes that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to exploit another person.
(13) Course material and instruction shall be free of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, and sexual orientation biases.

SoonForgotten2

spyguy wrote:

really?


SB99 - Illinois 2003
K-12 Comprehensive Sex Education Bill

(1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective.
(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
(3) Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(4) Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure
rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(5) Course material and instruction shall stress that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be provided with statistics based on the latest medical information citing the failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.
(6) Course material and instruction shall advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal Code of 1961.
(7) Course material and instruction shall discuss and provide for the development of positive communication skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid unwanted sexual activity.
(8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize that the pupil has the power to control personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations, such as respect for oneself and others.
(9) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances and shall include information about verbal, physical, and
visual sexual harassment, including without limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, non consensual physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course material and instruction shall contain methods of preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that impairs one’s judgment. The course material and instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and respect for others and shall also encourage youth to resist negative peer pressure. The course material and instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance. Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful to touch an intimate part of another person, as specified in the Criminal Code of 1961.
(10) Course material and instruction shall teach male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence and shall teach female students about reducing vulnerability for sexual violence.
(11) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual assault, including resources for escaping violent relationships.
(12) Course material and instruction in classes that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to exploit another person.
(13) Course material and instruction shall be free of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, and sexual orientation biases.

So yes, really.

cincybearcat

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

So yes, really.

What's age appropriate for a 5 year old?

Last time I checked, that was kinda up to the parents, not the government. I think that's the main rub with this type of legislation.

Overall I'm for more and better sex education in schools...but the fine line as to when to start and what to include is more difficult for me. I guess I think if you have to hold anything back on the education, then that says the children aren't old enough for the school to be doing the teaching about it.

know1

spyguy wrote:

really?


SB99 - Illinois 2003
K-12 Comprehensive Sex Education Bill

(1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective.
(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
(3) Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(4) Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure
rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(5) Course material and instruction shall stress that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be provided with statistics based on the latest medical information citing the failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.
(6) Course material and instruction shall advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal Code of 1961.
(7) Course material and instruction shall discuss and provide for the development of positive communication skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid unwanted sexual activity.
(8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize that the pupil has the power to control personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations, such as respect for oneself and others.
(9) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances and shall include information about verbal, physical, and
visual sexual harassment, including without limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, non consensual physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course material and instruction shall contain methods of preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that impairs one’s judgment. The course material and instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and respect for others and shall also encourage youth to resist negative peer pressure. The course material and instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance. Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful to touch an intimate part of another person, as specified in the Criminal Code of 1961.
(10) Course material and instruction shall teach male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence and shall teach female students about reducing vulnerability for sexual violence.
(11) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual assault, including resources for escaping violent relationships.
(12) Course material and instruction in classes that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to exploit another person.
(13) Course material and instruction shall be free of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, and sexual orientation biases.

Hmmm....kind of sheds a different light on the ad, huh?

And again, the ad acknowledges that this was one thing that Obama actually accomplished.