The bill was a blanket bill to cover all public schooling K-12. That's where the age appropriateness comes in.
I see the responsibility of schools to educate and prepare students for the real world. People can moan on and on about what is the parents' responsibility, but the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of shit parents out there and I, for one, would rather their children have a better chance in life than having to rely fully on such parents. And again, too often sexual abuse comes from within the family. These children deserve better.
nail on the fucking head. schools need to stick to prepping kids for college and a career. let the parents worry about telling their kids to not get into a strangers car, even if they're offering candy or a puppy.
Then lets throw out all the child molestation laws while we're at it. Parents can protect their kids.
nail on the fucking head. schools need to stick to prepping kids for college and a career. let the parents worry about telling their kids to not get into a strangers car, even if they're offering candy or a puppy.
the bill didn't pass and it wasn't going to be mandatory anyway
I'm not for or against this bill. honestly, I dont know enough about it. I'm just commenting on the OP's comments that mccain loves child molesters etc etc.
I'm not blindly following mccain although I do believe that sexual education should be limited to 5 year olds. if any.
and teaching kids "to avoid situations with strangers, molesters" is fantastic but doing so involves sexual education.
IMO this is a job for parents, not the public school system.
that's the point. you don't know what this bill is about. and most people won't. and mccain's ad is a gross distortion. it has nothing to do with teaching 5 year olds about sex.
that's the point. you don't know what this bill is about. and most people won't. and mccain's ad is a gross distortion. it has nothing to do with teaching 5 year olds about sex.
really?
SB99 - Illinois 2003
K-12 Comprehensive Sex Education Bill
(1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective.
(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
(3) Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(4) Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure
rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(5) Course material and instruction shall stress that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be provided with statistics based on the latest medical information citing the failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.
(6) Course material and instruction shall advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal Code of 1961.
(7) Course material and instruction shall discuss and provide for the development of positive communication skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid unwanted sexual activity.
(8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize that the pupil has the power to control personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations, such as respect for oneself and others.
(9) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances and shall include information about verbal, physical, and
visual sexual harassment, including without limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, non consensual physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course material and instruction shall contain methods of preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that impairs one’s judgment. The course material and instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and respect for others and shall also encourage youth to resist negative peer pressure. The course material and instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance. Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful to touch an intimate part of another person, as specified in the Criminal Code of 1961.
(10) Course material and instruction shall teach male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence and shall teach female students about reducing vulnerability for sexual violence.
(11) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual assault, including resources for escaping violent relationships.
(12) Course material and instruction in classes that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to exploit another person.
(13) Course material and instruction shall be free of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, and sexual orientation biases.
SB99 - Illinois 2003 K-12 Comprehensive Sex Education Bill
(1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective.
(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
(3) Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(4) Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure
rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(5) Course material and instruction shall stress that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be provided with statistics based on the latest medical information citing the failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.
(6) Course material and instruction shall advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal Code of 1961.
(7) Course material and instruction shall discuss and provide for the development of positive communication skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid unwanted sexual activity.
(8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize that the pupil has the power to control personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations, such as respect for oneself and others.
(9) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances and shall include information about verbal, physical, and
visual sexual harassment, including without limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, non consensual physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course material and instruction shall contain methods of preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that impairs one’s judgment. The course material and instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and respect for others and shall also encourage youth to resist negative peer pressure. The course material and instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance. Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful to touch an intimate part of another person, as specified in the Criminal Code of 1961.
(10) Course material and instruction shall teach male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence and shall teach female students about reducing vulnerability for sexual violence.
(11) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual assault, including resources for escaping violent relationships.
(12) Course material and instruction in classes that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to exploit another person.
(13) Course material and instruction shall be free of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, and sexual orientation biases.
Last time I checked, that was kinda up to the parents, not the government. I think that's the main rub with this type of legislation.
Overall I'm for more and better sex education in schools...but the fine line as to when to start and what to include is more difficult for me. I guess I think if you have to hold anything back on the education, then that says the children aren't old enough for the school to be doing the teaching about it.
SB99 - Illinois 2003
K-12 Comprehensive Sex Education Bill
(1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective.
(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
(3) Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(4) Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure
rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(5) Course material and instruction shall stress that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be provided with statistics based on the latest medical information citing the failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.
(6) Course material and instruction shall advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal Code of 1961.
(7) Course material and instruction shall discuss and provide for the development of positive communication skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid unwanted sexual activity.
(8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize that the pupil has the power to control personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations, such as respect for oneself and others.
(9) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances and shall include information about verbal, physical, and
visual sexual harassment, including without limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, non consensual physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course material and instruction shall contain methods of preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that impairs one’s judgment. The course material and instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and respect for others and shall also encourage youth to resist negative peer pressure. The course material and instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance. Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful to touch an intimate part of another person, as specified in the Criminal Code of 1961.
(10) Course material and instruction shall teach male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence and shall teach female students about reducing vulnerability for sexual violence.
(11) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual assault, including resources for escaping violent relationships.
(12) Course material and instruction in classes that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to exploit another person.
(13) Course material and instruction shall be free of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, and sexual orientation biases.
Hmmm....kind of sheds a different light on the ad, huh?
And again, the ad acknowledges that this was one thing that Obama actually accomplished.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
It's not sex education it's teaching children to understand and report innappropriate behavior.
Just another example of the "Nanny State" that the Dems want.....why should the schools teach this when the PARENTS are the one who need to take the initiative and protect their child..not the schools, not the gov't and certainly not obama.
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It's not sex education it's teaching children to understand and report innappropriate behavior.
Isn't that what parents are for??? Ohh wait I forgot Obama thinks it takes a village to raise a child and that "I'm my brothers and sisters keeper"... well fuck that, that some personal responsibility for yourself.. ohh wait Obama says people have to do that as well... damn I get lost in all of his cliches sometimes.
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Isn't that what parents are for??? Ohh wait I forgot Obama thinks it takes a village to raise a child and that "I'm my brothers and sisters keeper"... well fuck that, that some personal responsibility for yourself.. ohh wait Obama says people have to do that as well... damn I get lost in all of his cliches sometimes.
I absolutely agree about the taking personal responsibility for ourselves. With taking resonsibility, you also have to be prepared to make decisions that you may feel are best for YOU. that's exactly why i could never support Ms anti-abortion, anti enviroment, anti-stem cell research, anti euthanasia, anti gay marriage anti this and anti that Palin.
Isn't that what parents are for??? Ohh wait I forgot Obama thinks it takes a village to raise a child and that "I'm my brothers and sisters keeper"... well fuck that, that some personal responsibility for yourself.. ohh wait Obama says people have to do that as well... damn I get lost in all of his cliches sometimes.
Again, in many cases sexual abuse comes from within the family. Why would anyone be against something that would make it easier for children to report or avoid abuse?
As I said before, there are many rubbish parents out there who simply do not raise their children properly. I, for one, am for breaking that cycle by the state providing essential education on all fronts. The US would be a lot better off without ignorant rednecks raising ignorant rednecks.
LOL are you kidding me? something wrong with what I said? and its somehow comparable to being called "pro-pedophile" ?
I never said there was anything wrong with what you said. I was agreeing with you. It's just kinda amusing that you are one of the worst people here for making sarcastic comments and having 'sly spyguy' digs at people and then scream when it happens back to you. As if he was seriously calling you a pro-pedophile. C'mon now.
Obama was talking about a real issue child molestation. John McCain's ad is making a mockery of that issue.
Hey, what did you expect!!! The U.S. Supreme Court's ruling just gave them the green light once they removed the death penalty for child rape, even incest child rape. Think about that next time you look at your child, your niece, and your nephew.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
I never said there was anything wrong with what you said. I was agreeing with you. It's just kinda amusing that you are one of the worst people here for making sarcastic comments and having 'sly spyguy' digs at people and then scream when it happens back to you. As if he was seriously calling you a pro-pedophile. C'mon now.
Again, in many cases sexual abuse comes from within the family. Why would anyone be against something that would make it easier for children to report or avoid abuse?
As I said before, there are many rubbish parents out there who simply do not raise their children properly. I, for one, am for breaking that cycle by the state providing essential education on all fronts. The US would be a lot better off without ignorant rednecks raising ignorant rednecks.
Why deny children vital knowledge?
There are ignorant parents in every country so shouldn't this be a global law??? Nice dig at the rednecks though as if they are the only ones with problems....
I'm not denying anyone anything, I just think that there is a line to what should be taught at school and at home. Does this cross the line? Not necessarily but spending a large chunk of classroom time teaching about things that could better be covered in small short information sessions with younger children is a waste IMO. As they get older and the issues are more complicated, devote more time.
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When I was 7 years old I had an uncle that asked me if I ever had a hard-on...
I didn't understand what that meant... Perhaps if I had known I could have saved my cousin from years of sexual abuse.
...just sayin
Don't be a fuckhead because you are playing partisan politics asshole
When I was 7 years old I had an uncle that asked me if I ever had a hard-on...
I didn't understand what that meant... Perhaps if I had known I could have saved my cousin from years of sexual abuse.
...just sayin
Don't be a fuckhead because you are playing partisan politics asshole
thats horrible. where were your parents? you couldnt go to them? they never talked to you about such things?
sounds like a fault in parenting, not fault in public schooling.
Last time I checked, that was kinda up to the parents, not the government. I think that's the main rub with this type of legislation.
Overall I'm for more and better sex education in schools...but the fine line as to when to start and what to include is more difficult for me. I guess I think if you have to hold anything back on the education, then that says the children aren't old enough for the school to be doing the teaching about it.
"It's inappropriate for someone to touch certain parts of your body, unless they have a reason to do so (medical, hygiene, etc.)."
I had not even thought about having that discussion with my child, and I was very relieved when he balked at his pediatrician when he touched his penis. That's great education there, which I demand and am thankful for.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
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I see the responsibility of schools to educate and prepare students for the real world. People can moan on and on about what is the parents' responsibility, but the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of shit parents out there and I, for one, would rather their children have a better chance in life than having to rely fully on such parents. And again, too often sexual abuse comes from within the family. These children deserve better.
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Then lets throw out all the child molestation laws while we're at it. Parents can protect their kids.
the bill didn't pass and it wasn't going to be mandatory anyway
oh, fuck off. how did you get that from what i posted?
~D.K.S.
that's the point. you don't know what this bill is about. and most people won't. and mccain's ad is a gross distortion. it has nothing to do with teaching 5 year olds about sex.
really?
SB99 - Illinois 2003
K-12 Comprehensive Sex Education Bill
(1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective.
(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
(3) Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(4) Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure
rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
(5) Course material and instruction shall stress that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be provided with statistics based on the latest medical information citing the failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.
(6) Course material and instruction shall advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal Code of 1961.
(7) Course material and instruction shall discuss and provide for the development of positive communication skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid unwanted sexual activity.
(8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize that the pupil has the power to control personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations, such as respect for oneself and others.
(9) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances and shall include information about verbal, physical, and
visual sexual harassment, including without limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, non consensual physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course material and instruction shall contain methods of preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that impairs one’s judgment. The course material and instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and respect for others and shall also encourage youth to resist negative peer pressure. The course material and instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance. Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful to touch an intimate part of another person, as specified in the Criminal Code of 1961.
(10) Course material and instruction shall teach male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence and shall teach female students about reducing vulnerability for sexual violence.
(11) Course material and instruction shall teach pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual assault, including resources for escaping violent relationships.
(12) Course material and instruction in classes that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to exploit another person.
(13) Course material and instruction shall be free of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, and sexual orientation biases.
So yes, really.
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What's age appropriate for a 5 year old?
Last time I checked, that was kinda up to the parents, not the government. I think that's the main rub with this type of legislation.
Overall I'm for more and better sex education in schools...but the fine line as to when to start and what to include is more difficult for me. I guess I think if you have to hold anything back on the education, then that says the children aren't old enough for the school to be doing the teaching about it.
Hmmm....kind of sheds a different light on the ad, huh?
And again, the ad acknowledges that this was one thing that Obama actually accomplished.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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Isn't that what parents are for??? Ohh wait I forgot Obama thinks it takes a village to raise a child and that "I'm my brothers and sisters keeper"... well fuck that, that some personal responsibility for yourself.. ohh wait Obama says people have to do that as well... damn I get lost in all of his cliches sometimes.
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exactly...
hey, if the parents don't do there job, screw the kids...how dare anyone try to do anything to protect kids...
fuck 'em...at least that's what the right wing nuts want....
you guys ever hear of compromise? or finding common ground?
someone in between sexual education for a 5 year old and explaining to a 5 year old who stranger danger is. how bout that?
you guys are like little girls pouting and stomping your feet on the ground.
hey, if you want to be pro-pedophile, that's on you...
sounds to me like "you guys" may like little girls too much....
another scumbag comment. nicely done
Again, in many cases sexual abuse comes from within the family. Why would anyone be against something that would make it easier for children to report or avoid abuse?
As I said before, there are many rubbish parents out there who simply do not raise their children properly. I, for one, am for breaking that cycle by the state providing essential education on all fronts. The US would be a lot better off without ignorant rednecks raising ignorant rednecks.
Why deny children vital knowledge?
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ahem
carry on...
LOL are you kidding me? something wrong with what I said? and its somehow comparable to being called "pro-pedophile" ?
Hey, what did you expect!!! The U.S. Supreme Court's ruling just gave them the green light once they removed the death penalty for child rape, even incest child rape. Think about that next time you look at your child, your niece, and your nephew.
he was replying to my post. how should I have taken this comment?
I'm all for sarcastic shots but the line has to be drawn somewhere.
waaaaaa waa waaaaaaaaa
do you prefer puffs or keenex....
There are ignorant parents in every country so shouldn't this be a global law??? Nice dig at the rednecks though as if they are the only ones with problems....
I'm not denying anyone anything, I just think that there is a line to what should be taught at school and at home. Does this cross the line? Not necessarily but spending a large chunk of classroom time teaching about things that could better be covered in small short information sessions with younger children is a waste IMO. As they get older and the issues are more complicated, devote more time.
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I didn't understand what that meant... Perhaps if I had known I could have saved my cousin from years of sexual abuse.
...just sayin
Don't be a fuckhead because you are playing partisan politics asshole
as long as you guys are comfortable being this immature, have at it. one day you might become an adult but I find it highly unlikely
thats horrible. where were your parents? you couldnt go to them? they never talked to you about such things?
sounds like a fault in parenting, not fault in public schooling.
wow...
holy fuckin shit, wow...
I wonder where you parents were...:rolleyes:
"It's inappropriate for someone to touch certain parts of your body, unless they have a reason to do so (medical, hygiene, etc.)."
I had not even thought about having that discussion with my child, and I was very relieved when he balked at his pediatrician when he touched his penis. That's great education there, which I demand and am thankful for.