There are few things non-Christians enjoy less than being the recipients of this message. The people of Iraq already have very strong religious beliefs, they are not interested in hearing about yours. This is no way to make friends.
Yeah, because tolerance and acceptance of other beliefs is a terrible thing to wish upon anyone. Unless you're a muslim. Then every one should be tolerant and accepting of YOU>
Yeah, because tolerance and acceptance of other beliefs is a terrible thing to wish upon anyone. Unless you're a muslim. Then every one should be tolerant and accepting of YOU>
My message is that its ironic and a bit hypocritical to demand tolerance of a religion that is intolerant in its nature. Whatever religion that is. The trouble with any organized religion, is that in order to remain organized, it requires a leader. And inevitably that leader's biases will shine through, and warp what may have been a good idea originally.
That's not what he said at all. Learn how to read.
It is what he said. Take a time-out and learn what quotation marks are.
“Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior.”
It is what he said. Take a time out and learn what quotation marks are.
“Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior.”
Thats a great message..i hope he runs for pres could he would get my vote.
I think thats a good and strong statement...i dont see any problem with it.
Then they would be killing in the name of Jesus and I thought that the States had the inside track on that. So then what would you bitch about?. They would be closer to your way of living and killing in the same name! ha ha
Thats a great message..i hope he runs for pres could he would get my vote.
As hippiemom pointed out before, they already know about Jesus and his message, Jesus is in the Qur'an as well.
6. What do Muslims think of Jesus? (P)
Muslims think highly of Jesus (P) and his worthy mother, Mary. The Quran tells us that Jesus was born of a miraculous birth without a father. "Lo! The likeness of Jesus with Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then He said unto him: Be and he is" (Quran 3.59). He was given many miracles as a prophet. These include speaking soon after his birth in defense of his mother's piety. God's other gifts to him included healing the blind and the sick, reviving the dead, making a bird out of clay and most importantly, the message he was carrying. These miracles were given to him by God to establish him as a prophet. According to the Quran, he was not crucified but was raised into Heaven. (Quran, Chapter Maryam)
There's plentifull evidence that Jesus' message was primalrily about not cherishing material possessions, money or profit over human life and the quality of human life; as much as any other points in his messages.
He also preached of no attachments, prayers or loyalties to churches, priests, preachers or false idols (saints, angels etc...).
Jesus' messages discourage the establishment of church and so-called holy human beings. Something the Catholic Church has a serious problem (as a result of self-interest, greed and power issues) with.
Jesus preached of giving love and giving all to those who have none. Jesus preached of helping each other.....loving each other.
There's plentifull evidence that Jesus' message was primalrily about not cherishing material possessions, money or profit over human life and the quality of human life; as much as any other points in his messages.
He also preached of no attachments, prayers or loyalties to churches, priests, preachers or false idols (saints, angels etc...).
Jesus' messages discourage the establishment of church and so-called holy human beings. Something the Catholic Church has a serious problem (as a result of self-interest, greed and power issues) with.
Jesus preached of giving love and giving all to those who have none. Jesus preached of helping each other.....loving each other.
Yes but true salvation only came with believeing in him.
let me ask you this then, should our country be governed by the constitution, or the bible?
The country by the constitution. Myself by the bible. Within the framework of government I have no problem with laws by brought fourth based on religious morals, as long as they are democratically voted on and are legal with respect to the constituion and bill of rights.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
If one believes in him, but behaves like a major dick and ignores his messages in favor of greed, self-interest and violence; there is no "salvation".
You're confusing works and salvation.
That subject is why the protestant reformation happened.
Works are an indication of true belief in Christ, according to the Catholic Church. One must first believe that Christ is the son of God who died for our sins, then they must in turn live in recognition of that belief. Christians sin too, but they recognize their sins. Atheists sin and chalk it up to hedonism.
If one truly believes Christ saved us from sin, then they will act righteously. The simple fact is, some christians do not truly believe Christ saved them, in their heart of hearts.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
In what ways, CorporateWhore, in your everyday life, do you show the gratitude for having been saved by Jesus?
Well, normally I try to talk to God about that. I'd hate to toot my own horn, but I try not to lie cheat or steal from people. Additionally, I put something in at the collection plate. I go to church and show sorrow for my sins as well...
What ways do you show gratitude for having been saved by Jesus?
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Well, normally I try to talk to God about that. I'd hate to toot my own horn, but I try not to lie cheat or steal from people. Additionally, I put something in at the collection plate. I go to church and show sorrow for my sins as well...
What ways do you show gratitude for having been saved by Jesus?
No. I am not. People like Miller are confusing works with salvation.
If the works aren't there. You're screwed.
Only a fool would believe they can act like dispicable jackasses all their lives, and think they will be saved if they accept Jesus on their death bed.
That would have to be one arrogant and full of himself god to give salvation to murderers, thieves and swindlers, because they accept Jesus into their hearts at the last second of their lives, out of pure desperation and fear; but damns to hell non-believers who have lived positive, honest and loving lives. I mean, is there any better example of arrogance, ego and narcisim than a god who would do that?
Yeah, that's definitely the problem with the Middle East. They definitely need more religious doctrine over there.
i dont know how this thread went from discussing this absurd statement to a discussion on which of us do or do not believe in jesus. the fact remains we have a united states congressman recruiting for al qeada, and MY friends are going to be shot at because of it. i know the christians on this board would rather talk about how wonderful jesus love and sacrifice is supposed to be, but isnt a representitive of the united states government validating the war in iraq as a holy war a sickening enough development to discuss on its own merits? the very fact that someone representing our country and gov
ernment is insinuating that all middle eastern people will be healed of their ignorance and savagry as soon as they accept jesus as their savior is cause for serious alarm and is giving all christians a bad (worse) name.
No. I am not. People like Miller are confusing works with salvation.
If the works aren't there. You're screwed.
Only a fool would believe they can act like dispicable jackasses all their lives, and think they will be saved if they accept Jesus on their death bed.
That would have to be one arrogant and full of himself god to give salvation to murderers, thieves and swindlers, because they accept Jesus into their hearts at the last second of their lives, out of pure desperation and fear; but damns to hell non-believers who have lived positive, honest and loving lives. I mean, is there any better example of arrogance, ego and narcisim than a god who would do that?
i have one better example.... a god who would flood the entire planet, killing, not just killing but brutally drownding the elderly, new born babies, the mentally retarded, the good, the bad, men, women, children, people who never heard of him, EVERYONE except one family...... BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE NOT PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO HIM........
that sounds pretty arrogant egotistical, and narcistic...... or when he turned an entire city, or was it 2 cities to salt because the residents were gay....... or when he ordered his people to kill every living thing, man, woman, child, animal, they came across in the "promised land", or when he created lucifer knowing ahead of time he would become satan, or when he created BILLIONS of people KNOWING THEY WOULD SUFFER FOR ETERNITY IN HELL, or when he CREATED SIN only to punish his "experiments" for having the sin he created.....i dont put much past a god like that.............
Well, normally I try to talk to God about that. I'd hate to toot my own horn, but I try not to lie cheat or steal from people. Additionally, I put something in at the collection plate. I go to church and show sorrow for my sins as well...
What ways do you show gratitude for having been saved by Jesus?
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HAHA!
That's like declaring "chuckie cheese" every post. It's always good no matter how many times.
-Enoch Powell
I guess, if you're into heart disease.
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Yeah, because tolerance and acceptance of other beliefs is a terrible thing to wish upon anyone. Unless you're a muslim. Then every one should be tolerant and accepting of YOU>
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And you are exhibiting your own message, how?
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My message is that its ironic and a bit hypocritical to demand tolerance of a religion that is intolerant in its nature. Whatever religion that is. The trouble with any organized religion, is that in order to remain organized, it requires a leader. And inevitably that leader's biases will shine through, and warp what may have been a good idea originally.
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It is what he said. Take a time-out and learn what quotation marks are.
“Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior.”
Thats a great message..i hope he runs for pres could he would get my vote.
So what exactly is it that you want to do with your life Miller? Join the army or become a preacher?
You know, you could always kill two birds with one stone and become an army chaplain!
Then they would be killing in the name of Jesus and I thought that the States had the inside track on that. So then what would you bitch about?. They would be closer to your way of living and killing in the same name! ha ha
As hippiemom pointed out before, they already know about Jesus and his message, Jesus is in the Qur'an as well.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/athar02.htm
You can also find some info here: Jesus and The Virgin Mary in Islam
And now a personal question, if a Muslim comes to you and preaches his faith will you listen?
naděje umírá poslední
that is the fundamental difference.
-Big Fish
He also preached of no attachments, prayers or loyalties to churches, priests, preachers or false idols (saints, angels etc...).
Jesus' messages discourage the establishment of church and so-called holy human beings. Something the Catholic Church has a serious problem (as a result of self-interest, greed and power issues) with.
Jesus preached of giving love and giving all to those who have none. Jesus preached of helping each other.....loving each other.
Yes but true salvation only came with believeing in him.
let me ask you this then, should our country be governed by the constitution, or the bible?
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
If one believes in him, but behaves like a major dick and ignores his messages in favor of greed, self-interest and violence; there is no "salvation".
stop fucking with millers hell insurance.
You're confusing works and salvation.
That subject is why the protestant reformation happened.
Works are an indication of true belief in Christ, according to the Catholic Church. One must first believe that Christ is the son of God who died for our sins, then they must in turn live in recognition of that belief. Christians sin too, but they recognize their sins. Atheists sin and chalk it up to hedonism.
If one truly believes Christ saved us from sin, then they will act righteously. The simple fact is, some christians do not truly believe Christ saved them, in their heart of hearts.
-Enoch Powell
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You really don't have a clue, do you?
Define sin.
naděje umírá poslední
Well, normally I try to talk to God about that. I'd hate to toot my own horn, but I try not to lie cheat or steal from people. Additionally, I put something in at the collection plate. I go to church and show sorrow for my sins as well...
What ways do you show gratitude for having been saved by Jesus?
-Enoch Powell
I thank Jesus I'm an atheist.
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I thank atheists that i believe in jesus
That doesn't have quite the panache of my post.
Besides, I think Jesus would be alarmed to hear you say something like that. He did die on the cross for you.
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I actually think my post is better.
And i bet jesus thinks im just swell.
Yeah, that's definitely the problem with the Middle East. They definitely need more religious doctrine over there.
No. I am not. People like Miller are confusing works with salvation.
If the works aren't there. You're screwed.
Only a fool would believe they can act like dispicable jackasses all their lives, and think they will be saved if they accept Jesus on their death bed.
That would have to be one arrogant and full of himself god to give salvation to murderers, thieves and swindlers, because they accept Jesus into their hearts at the last second of their lives, out of pure desperation and fear; but damns to hell non-believers who have lived positive, honest and loving lives. I mean, is there any better example of arrogance, ego and narcisim than a god who would do that?
i dont know how this thread went from discussing this absurd statement to a discussion on which of us do or do not believe in jesus. the fact remains we have a united states congressman recruiting for al qeada, and MY friends are going to be shot at because of it. i know the christians on this board would rather talk about how wonderful jesus love and sacrifice is supposed to be, but isnt a representitive of the united states government validating the war in iraq as a holy war a sickening enough development to discuss on its own merits? the very fact that someone representing our country and gov
ernment is insinuating that all middle eastern people will be healed of their ignorance and savagry as soon as they accept jesus as their savior is cause for serious alarm and is giving all christians a bad (worse) name.
i have one better example.... a god who would flood the entire planet, killing, not just killing but brutally drownding the elderly, new born babies, the mentally retarded, the good, the bad, men, women, children, people who never heard of him, EVERYONE except one family...... BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE NOT PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO HIM........
that sounds pretty arrogant egotistical, and narcistic...... or when he turned an entire city, or was it 2 cities to salt because the residents were gay....... or when he ordered his people to kill every living thing, man, woman, child, animal, they came across in the "promised land", or when he created lucifer knowing ahead of time he would become satan, or when he created BILLIONS of people KNOWING THEY WOULD SUFFER FOR ETERNITY IN HELL, or when he CREATED SIN only to punish his "experiments" for having the sin he created.....i dont put much past a god like that.............
shoot. who knew salvation was that simple...