R- Robin Hayes feels crusades would help iRAQ

robbierobbie Posts: 883
edited December 2006 in A Moving Train
“Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior.”


this comment was made by congressman robin hayes to a rotary club. What a beautiful idea...... convert everyone in iraq to christianity, i bet this will go over well. when a united states congressman makes public statements like this, what are the iraqis supposed to think? i think we all remember george bush using the word "crusade" to describe his wars earlier, and now a fellow republican insinuating that everything will be better once all those savages are converted to christians.
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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    It's dispicable.

    What a grossly ignorant statement to make.


    He should be removed from office.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    NMyTree wrote:
    It's dispicable.

    What a grossly ignorant statement to make.


    He should be removed from office.

    Can't tell whether or not you are being sarcastic. I think not, but your third statement is what makes me pause.

    I agree 100% that "it's dispicable" and "what a grossly ignorant statement to make."

    As far as "he should be removed from office." I don't agree. I would love to see him lose his reelection bid, but he won't. Not because of this anyway.
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Can't tell whether or not you are being sarcastic. I think not, but your third statement is what makes me pause.

    I agree 100% that "it's dispicable" and "what a grossly ignorant statement to make."

    As far as "he should be removed from office." I don't agree. I would love to see him lose his reelection bid, but he won't. Not because of this anyway.

    removed from office, i suppose not, publicly ridiculed, definately. nice work congressman. take an alread impossible, nightmarish situation, and make it far worse. as if it wasnt bad enough in iraq, this turd feels the need to help al qeada by verifying that this is a religious war. how do people like this get elected? he does have a good point though, we all know that once a nation becomes christian based, they base all policies around "peace on earth and good will toward men"......ASTONISHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    how would you feel if you were a soldier in iraq having to fight these people into christianity?
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    robbie wrote:
    removed from office, i suppose not, publicly ridiculed, definately. nice work congressman. take an alread impossible, nightmarish situation, and make it far worse.

    So you think that he should be publicly ridiculed but not lose his job? that sounds kinda off.

    If what he said was really that bad, then he should lose his job. think about it.

    Ridicule him but let him keep the job is not gonna make him a better politician.he's just gonna get even more ignorant and ignorance does not belong in politics, but of course it does seem to run rampant in it.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    I forgot to mention.
    ----

    The crusades did'nt really work out very well the first time around (historically speaking) what makes this guy think that it'll work out now?

    But as far as the quote on the thread opener Goes “Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior.”

    I don't see that as being a bad thing, I think the message of jesus is a very good one and we all should learn more about it, he did teach peace and good will towards others. I just think that this congressman should be also asking his own government to follow these same teachings.

    I guess the part where he goes on about "birth of the savior" is a bit weird.
    But I'd like to see his whole speech.
  • robbie wrote:
    “Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior.”


    this comment was made by congressman robin hayes to a rotary club. What a beautiful idea...... convert everyone in iraq to christianity, i bet this will go over well. when a united states congressman makes public statements like this, what are the iraqis supposed to think? i think we all remember george bush using the word "crusade" to describe his wars earlier, and now a fellow republican insinuating that everything will be better once all those savages are converted to christians.

    That's not what he said at all. Learn how to read.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    That's not what he said at all. Learn how to read.
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/jprotzman/Hayesarticle.jpg
  • cutback wrote:
    He said they need to learn about Christ, he didn't say we should convert them to Christianity by force.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    He said they need to learn about Christ, he didn't say we should convert them to Christianity by force.
    Muslims already know about Christ. They just don't agree with Christians about his divinity.

    The people of his district should be ashamed of themselves for voting for such an ignorant twat.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    I think thats a good and strong statement...i dont see any problem with it.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    miller8966 wrote:
    I think thats a good and strong statement...i dont see any problem with it.
    We're all shocked.
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    cutback wrote:
    We're all shocked.

    He said "spreading" the message of jesus. Which imo is the greatest message one can receive.

    no where did he mention the word crusade or conversion.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    miller8966 wrote:
    He said "spreading" the message of jesus. Which imo is the greatest message one can receive.

    no where did he mention the word crusade or conversion.
    There are few things non-Christians enjoy less than being the recipients of this message. The people of Iraq already have very strong religious beliefs, they are not interested in hearing about yours. This is no way to make friends.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • hippiemom wrote:
    Muslims already know about Christ. They just don't agree with Christians about his divinity.

    The people of his district should be ashamed of themselves for voting for such an ignorant twat.

    Haha, I will keep your use of "twat" next time I'm thinking of an appropriate description for Hillary Clinton. Or I might just use "cunt." Thanks for the openness in dialogue.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    hippiemom wrote:
    There are few things non-Christians enjoy less than being the recipients of this message. The people of Iraq already have very strong religious beliefs, they are not interested in hearing about yours. This is no way to make friends.

    I could care less about making friends
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Haha, I will keep your use of "twat" next time I'm thinking of an appropriate description for Hillary Clinton. Or I might just use "cunt." Thanks for the openness in dialogue.
    Happy to oblige. I've called her a few choice names myself ... whatever works for you is fine by me.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    miller8966 wrote:
    I could care less about making friends
    Oh, how Jesus must love you.

    Isn't Iraq supposed to become our ally, the bright shining beacon of freedom? I thought that was the plan.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    miller8966 wrote:
    I could care less about making friends
    Just like Jesus!
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    miller8966 wrote:
    I could care less about making friends

    So why concern your self with Christianity and it's "message"?

    Aren't christians supposed be nice, friendly people?

    Or maybe you prefer the Old Testement? :D
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Miller, have you really even read the bible?
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    MrBrian wrote:
    Miller, have you really even read the bible?
    :D:D:D

    But seriously Miller, have you?
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  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    The Koran already spreads the message of peace on earth and good will toward man, so the ideals of christianity are not forign to the people of iraq. what this turdfucker was saying is that everything will be better in iraq once they hear about the birth of the savior. once they accept christianity. please dont pretent to not understand what this scumbag is saying or underestimate the harm his ignorance will cause to our troops over there because of idiots like this in the first place.
  • MrBrian wrote:
    Miller, have you really even read the bible?

    Have you? Give me a break. What the hell do you know about Christianity?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Have you? Give me a break. What the hell do you know about Christianity?

    Do you think miller's statements are a good example of what a Christian should be, because if so, you two have read a completely different Bible than I have.
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  • robbie wrote:
    “Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior.”


    this comment was made by congressman robin hayes to a rotary club. What a beautiful idea...... convert everyone in iraq to christianity, i bet this will go over well. when a united states congressman makes public statements like this, what are the iraqis supposed to think? i think we all remember george bush using the word "crusade" to describe his wars earlier, and now a fellow republican insinuating that everything will be better once all those savages are converted to christians.

    wow. and people wonder why we aren;t winning the hearts and minds. statements like these validate the fears of muslims.
    those undecided, needn't have faith to be free
  • Collin wrote:
    Do you think miller's statements are a good example of what a Christian should be, because if so, you two have read a completely different Bible than I have.

    Do you know what a good christian does?

    He believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God and all salvation comes through Him.

    Do you believe that? If you don't, then maybe you should not start giving advice about what a good christian is.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hippiemom wrote:
    Muslims already know about Christ. They just don't agree with Christians about his divinity.

    The people of his district should be ashamed of themselves for voting for such an ignorant twat.

    Hehee.

    I think at worst, it is an irresponsible public statement to make to the followers, those young up and coming missionaries and the like, who may regard this opinion more reverently than ordinary. Especially at the current time, with change in the air, and the violence steady to escalating over there. In Iraq.

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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Have you? Give me a break. What the hell do you know about Christianity?

    Yes I have, That's why I know what a great man Jesus was, he talked about peace and love, so when I see people taking the opposite stance then claim to be christians it makes me wonder what exactly they themselves really know about it....
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Collin wrote:
    Just like Jesus!
    There's so much irony in this statement. Have you read the bible? Jesus didn't care about making friends. He had a message and a job to do. He kicked over tables in the synagogue, he said flat out he would divide families. He was not there to make friends, anymore than a lifeguard is at the beach to make friends.

    If he was sent to make friends he sure did a piss poor job of it. Got sold out by one of his best friends and crucified. His three best mates deserted him in his hour of need.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Do you know what a good christian does?

    He believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God and all salvation comes through Him.

    Do you believe that? If you don't, then maybe you should not start giving advice about what a good christian is.


    Nope, I do not believe Jesus Christ was the son of God and I don't believe in God. I did once and I went to Catholic school where Jesus' message was pounded into our heads. Though I cast away my faith, part of that message is still very important in my life and that's "love thy neighbour" even if thy neighbour happens to be a sinner. Now if you are going to tell me this isn't true, fine then I will change my view of what I think a Christian is supposed to be.
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