America makes me sick

jlew24asu

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

How do you know he grew up in the ghetto?

Originally Posted by jlew24asu
o really? the chief operating officer at my company makes $660,000 a year. he is a black man who grew up in the ghetto in Queens, NY.

he told me

angelica

Byrnzie wrote:

.... America will be forced, in the near future, to make some radical changes for it's own, and the worlds, survival.

I agree. When a country is not learning in theory what the consequences of their actions are, they will have to learn via the consequences. But learn they will.

dunkman

jlew24asu wrote:

Supreme Court rulings have upheld that flag desecration is a form of political speech that should be protected by our Constitution. I'm having a good time ripping you up. keep it coming almighty dorkman

go and try it then... bet you get cops coming up to you and for your own safety you'll probably be removed... most folks here would just think i was drunk

dorkman? when did we enter the 10 years old only forum.... :rolleyes:

MakingWaves

Byrnzie wrote:

I love America. To say otherwise would be a ridiculous statement. I mean, how can you not love the Grand Canyon, for instance, or the Redwoods, or Pearl Jam, or Mark Twain, or a thousand and one other great things?
On the other hand, i do hate the American government, and a lot of right leaning, insular and bigoted pigs in places of power and influence - those blind bastards in 90% of the American media, those in charge of some of the big corporations, those in the arms trade e.t.c. I think it's a shame that a country like America has been allowed to be sold down the river by a handful of rich and powerful scumbags, and to be made the most hated country in the world.
America is too big and varied a place to be summed up easily. I believe that the man on the street in America is generally good, and that most people there are open-minded and inquistive about the wider world. It is currently a divided country and the last elections showed that.

Very well said, glad to see not everyone from other countries stereotypes America.

jlew24asu

dunkman1974 wrote:

go and try it then... bet you get cops coming up to you and for your own safety you'll probably be removed... most folks here would just think i was drunk

dorkman? when did we enter the 10 years old only forum.... :rolleyes:

hehe sorry it was a typo

even flow?

Wouldn't it be funny if Obama had this wicked hidden agenda behind running for president and then when he won, before some freak takes him out, he unleashes all these weird muslim laws on the U S of Eh.

surferdude

angelica wrote:

But they have the perception of having limitless opportunity, and that ought to account for something!

People place way more limits on themselves than their environment ever will. Everyone has limitless possibilities, but not the same probabilities of achieiving them. Too many are more than happy to point to their environment and not even try.

dunkman

jlew24asu wrote:

hehe sorry it was a typo

oh thats ok then cocklicker... err i mean jlew24asu... easily done isnt it

jlew24asu

dunkman1974 wrote:

oh thats ok then cocklicker... err i mean jlew24asu... easily done isnt it

hehehe

angelica

surferdude wrote:

People place way more limits on themselves than their environment ever will. Everyone has limitless possibilities, but not the same probabilities of achieiving them. Too many are more than happy to point to their environment and not even try.

It's a very complex subject and I'm biting my tongue to keep from indulging in it, since I lean towards the "anything is possible" stance for sure. However, one must have a realistic knowledge of where one is before one can know how to get to where they are heading. I see a major lack of realism when people judge others. ie: "they could do it if they wanted to", without having any UNDERSTANDING of the variables. When people point to the environment and don't try, that is a variable that is there for a reason. For example, numerous people said that about me over the years, while they completely overlooked and devalued the vast inner processes I was immersed in.

I don't agree that people place way more limits on themselves than the environment. I see it in an integrated fashion where the culture, inner conditions and the phsyical objective aspects are equal and interactive. Therefore inner conditions cannot be removed from the culture or physical environment that shaped and support the inner actions. Each one intimately affects the other in profound ways at all times.

ihavadog

where did the thread starter go?


oh, check the sig..

miller8966

surferdude wrote:

People place way more limits on themselves than their environment ever will. Everyone has limitless possibilities, but not the same probabilities of achieiving them. Too many are more than happy to point to their environment and not even try.

I agree nothing is achieved without hard work.

onelongsong

just curious; why do others judge americans based on the decisions of their leaders yet americans don't judge others by the decisions of their leaders?

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

well said my friend, well said

Thanks, my trusty rival!

Leatherman®

thankyougrandma wrote:

Fox is not even close from representing AMERICA...

nor does Hillary Clinton, the one responsible for unleashing this story...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2557001,00.html

Pacomc79

Obamanation?

Ms. Haiku

When I read the link in the first post I too, was disgusted, and if Hilary's camp is involved in that propoganda then I couldn't in good conscience vote for her ever. I also recognize that no one I know would say stupid things like that. I mean, please, give me a little credit.

What disheartens/disappoints me, and this disheartened me ever since a few months after the US started the war on Iraq, maybe earlier, is that so many politicians were in the press as against the war, but there's no doubt in my mind that those weak people didn't have the guts to say No to the war when they had to vote. Our political system has enabled the creation of politicians without courage, who in turn as our representatives send out the message that we our gutless on some level, that we are only followers.

I'm surrounded by hard workers, and people who can still believe in dreams. There are parts of this country that could take your breath away i.e., the Grand Canyon as referenced earlier. Have you seen a sunset in Seattle in the Summer

I'm sure what ever is the best that the human condition has to offer can be found in the United States of America as elsewhere, and conversely the worst it's just possibly covert.

gue_barium

Ms. Haiku wrote:

When I read the link in the first post I too, was disgusted, and if Hilary's camp is involved in that propoganda then I couldn't in good conscience vote for her ever. I also recognize that no one I know would say stupid things like that. I mean, please, give me a little credit.

What disheartens/disappoints me, and this disheartened me ever since a few months after the US started the war on Iraq, maybe earlier, is that so many politicians were in the press as against the war, but there's no doubt in my mind that those weak people didn't have the guts to say No to the war when they had to vote. Our political system has enabled the creation of politicians without courage, who in turn as our representatives send out the message that we our gutless on some level, that we are only followers.

I'm surrounded by hard workers, and people who can still believe in dreams. There are parts of this country that could take your breath away i.e., the Grand Canyon as referenced earlier. Have you seen a sunset in Seattle in the Summer

I'm sure what ever is the best that the human condition has to offer can be found in the United States of America as elsewhere, and conversely the worst it's just covert.

eloquent

PaperPlates

If I created a thread titled "Muslims make me sick".........I wonder how long till the mod-squad would close/delete THAT thread............?

Dont worry, America enjoys making you sick. People always resent the best.

surferdude

angelica wrote:

It's a very complex subject and I'm biting my tongue to keep from indulging in it, since I lean towards the "anything is possible" stance for sure. However, one must have a realistic knowledge of where one is before one can know how to get to where they are heading. I see a major lack of realism when people judge others. ie: "they could do it if they wanted to", without having any UNDERSTANDING of the variables. When people point to the environment and don't try, that is a variable that is there for a reason. For example, numerous people said that about me over the years, while they completely overlooked and devalued the vast inner processes I was immersed in.

I don't agree that people place way more limits on themselves than the environment. I see it in an integrated fashion where the culture, inner conditions and the phsyical objective aspects are equal and interactive. Therefore inner conditions cannot be removed from the culture or physical environment that shaped and support the inner actions. Each one intimately affects the other in profound ways at all times.

I guess I don't buy into the arguement that people are limited by their environment. Environment can provide more obstacles to success, environment can have given you a mindset where giving up is easy, environment can give you a support network that doesn't want you to achieve. But it is up to the individual to recognize that they have near full control of their environment and complete full control to how they react to their environment.

People are absolutely amazing when they let themselves be amazing. One litmus test I have for friends is I tell them my wildest dreams and I know that my real friends will never tell me not to try or that it's impossible. I am the one who controls my environment to make sure I don't hang out with the naysayers or listen to them. For the most part people build their own environments, especially as adults. It's very easy to change your environment. I learned early on that it's way better to be the poor person in a nice neighbourhood, than poor in a poor neighbourhood. In the nice neighbourhood they recognize human potential. In the poorer neighbourhood they generally try to kill your potential.