Originally Posted by jlew24asu
o really? the chief operating officer at my company makes $660,000 a year. he is a black man who grew up in the ghetto in Queens, NY.
.... America will be forced, in the near future, to make some radical changes for it's own, and the worlds, survival.
I agree. When a country is not learning in theory what the consequences of their actions are, they will have to learn via the consequences. But learn they will.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Supreme Court rulings have upheld that flag desecration is a form of political speech that should be protected by our Constitution. I'm having a good time ripping you up. keep it coming almighty dorkman
go and try it then... bet you get cops coming up to you and for your own safety you'll probably be removed... most folks here would just think i was drunk
dorkman? when did we enter the 10 years old only forum.... :rolleyes:
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I love America. To say otherwise would be a ridiculous statement. I mean, how can you not love the Grand Canyon, for instance, or the Redwoods, or Pearl Jam, or Mark Twain, or a thousand and one other great things?
On the other hand, i do hate the American government, and a lot of right leaning, insular and bigoted pigs in places of power and influence - those blind bastards in 90% of the American media, those in charge of some of the big corporations, those in the arms trade e.t.c. I think it's a shame that a country like America has been allowed to be sold down the river by a handful of rich and powerful scumbags, and to be made the most hated country in the world.
America is too big and varied a place to be summed up easily. I believe that the man on the street in America is generally good, and that most people there are open-minded and inquistive about the wider world. It is currently a divided country and the last elections showed that.
Very well said, glad to see not everyone from other countries stereotypes America.
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go and try it then... bet you get cops coming up to you and for your own safety you'll probably be removed... most folks here would just think i was drunk
dorkman? when did we enter the 10 years old only forum.... :rolleyes:
Wouldn't it be funny if Obama had this wicked hidden agenda behind running for president and then when he won, before some freak takes him out, he unleashes all these weird muslim laws on the U S of Eh.
But they have the perception of having limitless opportunity, and that ought to account for something!
People place way more limits on themselves than their environment ever will. Everyone has limitless possibilities, but not the same probabilities of achieiving them. Too many are more than happy to point to their environment and not even try.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
oh thats ok then cocklicker... err i mean jlew24asu... easily done isnt it
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
People place way more limits on themselves than their environment ever will. Everyone has limitless possibilities, but not the same probabilities of achieiving them. Too many are more than happy to point to their environment and not even try.
It's a very complex subject and I'm biting my tongue to keep from indulging in it, since I lean towards the "anything is possible" stance for sure. However, one must have a realistic knowledge of where one is before one can know how to get to where they are heading. I see a major lack of realism when people judge others. ie: "they could do it if they wanted to", without having any UNDERSTANDING of the variables. When people point to the environment and don't try, that is a variable that is there for a reason. For example, numerous people said that about me over the years, while they completely overlooked and devalued the vast inner processes I was immersed in.
I don't agree that people place way more limits on themselves than the environment. I see it in an integrated fashion where the culture, inner conditions and the phsyical objective aspects are equal and interactive. Therefore inner conditions cannot be removed from the culture or physical environment that shaped and support the inner actions. Each one intimately affects the other in profound ways at all times.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
People place way more limits on themselves than their environment ever will. Everyone has limitless possibilities, but not the same probabilities of achieiving them. Too many are more than happy to point to their environment and not even try.
just curious; why do others judge americans based on the decisions of their leaders yet americans don't judge others by the decisions of their leaders?
When I read the link in the first post I too, was disgusted, and if Hilary's camp is involved in that propoganda then I couldn't in good conscience vote for her ever. I also recognize that no one I know would say stupid things like that. I mean, please, give me a little credit.
What disheartens/disappoints me, and this disheartened me ever since a few months after the US started the war on Iraq, maybe earlier, is that so many politicians were in the press as against the war, but there's no doubt in my mind that those weak people didn't have the guts to say No to the war when they had to vote. Our political system has enabled the creation of politicians without courage, who in turn as our representatives send out the message that we our gutless on some level, that we are only followers.
I'm surrounded by hard workers, and people who can still believe in dreams. There are parts of this country that could take your breath away i.e., the Grand Canyon as referenced earlier. Have you seen a sunset in Seattle in the Summer
I'm sure what ever is the best that the human condition has to offer can be found in the United States of America as elsewhere, and conversely the worst it's just possibly covert.
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When I read the link in the first post I too, was disgusted, and if Hilary's camp is involved in that propoganda then I couldn't in good conscience vote for her ever. I also recognize that no one I know would say stupid things like that. I mean, please, give me a little credit.
What disheartens/disappoints me, and this disheartened me ever since a few months after the US started the war on Iraq, maybe earlier, is that so many politicians were in the press as against the war, but there's no doubt in my mind that those weak people didn't have the guts to say No to the war when they had to vote. Our political system has enabled the creation of politicians without courage, who in turn as our representatives send out the message that we our gutless on some level, that we are only followers.
I'm surrounded by hard workers, and people who can still believe in dreams. There are parts of this country that could take your breath away i.e., the Grand Canyon as referenced earlier. Have you seen a sunset in Seattle in the Summer
I'm sure what ever is the best that the human condition has to offer can be found in the United States of America as elsewhere, and conversely the worst it's just covert.
It's a very complex subject and I'm biting my tongue to keep from indulging in it, since I lean towards the "anything is possible" stance for sure. However, one must have a realistic knowledge of where one is before one can know how to get to where they are heading. I see a major lack of realism when people judge others. ie: "they could do it if they wanted to", without having any UNDERSTANDING of the variables. When people point to the environment and don't try, that is a variable that is there for a reason. For example, numerous people said that about me over the years, while they completely overlooked and devalued the vast inner processes I was immersed in.
I don't agree that people place way more limits on themselves than the environment. I see it in an integrated fashion where the culture, inner conditions and the phsyical objective aspects are equal and interactive. Therefore inner conditions cannot be removed from the culture or physical environment that shaped and support the inner actions. Each one intimately affects the other in profound ways at all times.
I guess I don't buy into the arguement that people are limited by their environment. Environment can provide more obstacles to success, environment can have given you a mindset where giving up is easy, environment can give you a support network that doesn't want you to achieve. But it is up to the individual to recognize that they have near full control of their environment and complete full control to how they react to their environment.
People are absolutely amazing when they let themselves be amazing. One litmus test I have for friends is I tell them my wildest dreams and I know that my real friends will never tell me not to try or that it's impossible. I am the one who controls my environment to make sure I don't hang out with the naysayers or listen to them. For the most part people build their own environments, especially as adults. It's very easy to change your environment. I learned early on that it's way better to be the poor person in a nice neighbourhood, than poor in a poor neighbourhood. In the nice neighbourhood they recognize human potential. In the poorer neighbourhood they generally try to kill your potential.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I guess I don't buy into the arguement that people are limited by their environment. Environment can provide more obstacles to success, environment can have given you a mindset where giving up is easy, environment can give you a support network that doesn't want you to achieve. But it is up to the individual to recognize that they have near full control of their environment and complete full control to how they react to their environment.
People are absolutely amazing when they let themselves be amazing. One litmus test I have for friends is I tell them my wildest dreams and I know that my real friends will never tell me not to try or that it's impossible. I am the one who controls my environment to make sure I don't hang out with the naysayers or listen to them. For the most part people build their own environments, especially as adults. It's very easy to change your environment. I learned early on that it's way better to be the poor person in a nice neighbourhood, than poor in a poor neighbourhood. In the nice neighbourhood they recognize human potential. In the poorer neighbourhood they generally try to kill your potential.
Do you buy that you are limited by your brain wiring--based on genetics, and your resultant brain chemistry? Do you agree that it takes significant commitment, work, energy and focus to make even slight changes here such as in changing one's IQ or natural personality preferences that are hardwired? Do you acknowledge that while we're born with genetic blueprints, that it is our environment, including culture that molds those blueprints in reality, as the brain quadruples in size from birth to adulthood? Do you acknowledge we see and understand concepts we've been taught in our environment and that we generally cannot fathom the unfathomable, meaning in general ideas that have not been preconceived for us by others? Therefore very few see concepts that move beyond what is "normal". Do you agree that it is culture that shapes the religions that mold our morals and ethics, or even our base language structures? And as you mentioned about neighbourhoods, if the basic language structures in one's environment revolve around "that's impossible", that becomes reality for people--and they can't imagine anything beyond that? In such a case, how can the individual piece be stronger than the environmental one that created and reinforces it? Do you agree that we generally all exist within social norms that are very hard to move beyond and therefore few go beyond that?
I 100% believe that we all can control our environments and create what we need or want for ourselves. And I believe we all do unconsciously in each moment. However, there are many steps and stages and our power increases along the way before we can get to the point where we are able to understand that we control our environments. Many people dangerously collapse those steps or stages into a mono-level generic "equality" for all when really that sense of collapse and undifferentiated equality is an illusion.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I somehow have the feeling that some of the posts of some of the Americans here will only have strengthened the thread starter's opinion about the US, which is a shame because it is truly a beautiful country (sometimes).
Do you agree that it takes significant commitment, work, energy and focus to make even slight changes here such as in changing one's IQ or natural personality preferences that are hardwired?
To make a long story short I believe this. Limitless possibilities isn't easy but they are there for everyone. Nor does this availability of limitless possibilities to everyone equate with there being equal accessibility.
But I can sit here and say everyone has unlimited possibilities and opportunities. Or I can say you can't do domething. I'd rather have belief in people and marvel at the ones that overcome obstacles along their path, and hopefully give a hand up to those I can along my path.
I may acknowledge that there are obstacles along the way. I will never acknowledge that something is not achievable.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
To make a long story short I believe this. Limitless possibilities isn't easy but they are there for everyone. Nor does this availability of limitless possibilities to everyone equate with there being equal accessibility.
But I can sit here and say everyone has unlimited possibilities and opportunities. Or I can say you can't do domething. I'd rather have belief in people and marvel at the ones that overcome obstacles along their path, and hopefully give a hand up to those I can along my path.
I may acknowledge that there are obstacles along the way. I will never acknowledge that something is not achievable.
I think I basically agree with what you are saying. I generally focus on the unlimited possibilities, too, for the same reasons. Even though I also find I need to address when people are collapsing and overlooking the reasons some people end up maybe committing suicide, or becoming murdered prostitutes (like real people in my life) while others might become highly successful.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Iven though I also find I need to address when people are collapsing and overlooking the reasons some people end up maybe committing suicide, or becoming murdered prostitutes (like real people in my life) while others might become highly successful.
I agree with this. I feel you cannot make yourself bigger by making someone smaller. You can only make yourself bigger by making others bigger.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Thank you for generalizing the entire country. I'd tell ya to fuck off but what's the point.
Yeah, it's like I've been trying to say- 300 million people can all safely fit into one negative catergory.
Lemme tell you something, OP. The difference between a New Yorker and a Texan and a Hawaiian is fourfold the difference between the average American and the average Berliner, or the difference between an American farmer and a Russian famer. If you can even comprehend that.
True. To our shame. We are in a position to influence Bush et al and make a difference in the world. It's to our shame that we have allowed Blair - practically singlehandedly - to let Britain be dragged along on America's coat-tails.
It's as if England has become the Fredo to America's Michael Corrleone!
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go and try it then... bet you get cops coming up to you and for your own safety you'll probably be removed... most folks here would just think i was drunk
dorkman? when did we enter the 10 years old only forum.... :rolleyes:
Very well said, glad to see not everyone from other countries stereotypes America.
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
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oh thats ok then cocklicker... err i mean jlew24asu... easily done isnt it
I don't agree that people place way more limits on themselves than the environment. I see it in an integrated fashion where the culture, inner conditions and the phsyical objective aspects are equal and interactive. Therefore inner conditions cannot be removed from the culture or physical environment that shaped and support the inner actions. Each one intimately affects the other in profound ways at all times.
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oh, check the sig..
like i want to be told the end
I agree nothing is achieved without hard work.
Thanks, my trusty rival!
nor does Hillary Clinton, the one responsible for unleashing this story...
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What disheartens/disappoints me, and this disheartened me ever since a few months after the US started the war on Iraq, maybe earlier, is that so many politicians were in the press as against the war, but there's no doubt in my mind that those weak people didn't have the guts to say No to the war when they had to vote. Our political system has enabled the creation of politicians without courage, who in turn as our representatives send out the message that we our gutless on some level, that we are only followers.
I'm surrounded by hard workers, and people who can still believe in dreams. There are parts of this country that could take your breath away i.e., the Grand Canyon as referenced earlier. Have you seen a sunset in Seattle in the Summer
I'm sure what ever is the best that the human condition has to offer can be found in the United States of America as elsewhere, and conversely the worst it's just possibly covert.
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
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Dont worry, America enjoys making you sick. People always resent the best.
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People are absolutely amazing when they let themselves be amazing. One litmus test I have for friends is I tell them my wildest dreams and I know that my real friends will never tell me not to try or that it's impossible. I am the one who controls my environment to make sure I don't hang out with the naysayers or listen to them. For the most part people build their own environments, especially as adults. It's very easy to change your environment. I learned early on that it's way better to be the poor person in a nice neighbourhood, than poor in a poor neighbourhood. In the nice neighbourhood they recognize human potential. In the poorer neighbourhood they generally try to kill your potential.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I 100% believe that we all can control our environments and create what we need or want for ourselves. And I believe we all do unconsciously in each moment. However, there are many steps and stages and our power increases along the way before we can get to the point where we are able to understand that we control our environments. Many people dangerously collapse those steps or stages into a mono-level generic "equality" for all when really that sense of collapse and undifferentiated equality is an illusion.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Lol, you beat me to that there. That was almost as ridiculous a statement as the person who started this thread made.
I somehow have the feeling that some of the posts of some of the Americans here will only have strengthened the thread starter's opinion about the US, which is a shame because it is truly a beautiful country (sometimes).
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But I can sit here and say everyone has unlimited possibilities and opportunities. Or I can say you can't do domething. I'd rather have belief in people and marvel at the ones that overcome obstacles along their path, and hopefully give a hand up to those I can along my path.
I may acknowledge that there are obstacles along the way. I will never acknowledge that something is not achievable.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Drinking too much booze makes me sick... and sitting in a plane next to the fucker that keeps on coughing, too.
Hail, Hail!!!
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Yeah, it's like I've been trying to say- 300 million people can all safely fit into one negative catergory.
Lemme tell you something, OP. The difference between a New Yorker and a Texan and a Hawaiian is fourfold the difference between the average American and the average Berliner, or the difference between an American farmer and a Russian famer. If you can even comprehend that.
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Bring it on cause I'm no victim
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It's as if England has become the Fredo to America's Michael Corrleone!
And we know how that ended!
Please Mr. Blair, don't go out on the boat!