no. the government in afgahistan supported al qaeda and bin laden. pakistan does not. see the difference?
because we are not allowed there. this would entail going for an all out war with pakistan. is that what you want?
i already did but I will again. you'll have to pardon my friend everyone, he's a little slow.
the taliban government of afgahistan supported al qaeda and osama bin laden. on september 11th 2001, the USA was attacked by al qaeda. the united states gave the taliban about a month to turn over bin laden or risk retaliation for the attacks on 9/11. we overthrew the taliban and forced them into the mountains along the border with pakistan. this are is know as Waziristan. you can learn alot about this area here....
pakistan has said bin laden is not there and they do not know where he is. that may or may not be true.
logically speaking, this is the only area of the world where bin laden can have safe haven. and his only escape route after he was chased from his headquarters in tora bora afganistan. this area has been self governed and lawless for hundreds of years.
hehehe. you just dont get it. If we really wanted him Pakistan saying "NO" would not matter. If you really think Pakistan would declare war on the U.S. if we conducted special ops in this area of Pakistan then you are hopeless. But you just keep on believing that is the reason we dont have Mr Laden.
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we cant prove that and they say they dont know where he is. yea seriously. thats what they say. i'll ask again, should we invade? you, me and everybody else will say no.
so what does that mean? we dont want to catch him I guess.
It didn't stop you invading afganistan though did it.
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pakistan is a country of 180,000,000 and the government has given us support. albeit not enough IMO.
So you only start fights on small counties with no armies cos your scared you'll get beat?
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we cant prove that and they say they dont know where he is. yea seriously. thats what they say. i'll ask again, should we invade? you, me and everybody else will say no.
so what does that mean? we dont want to catch him I guess.
The difference is that the "you" and the "everybody else" would also say no to fighting bullshit wars in smaller countries too.
whereas "me" has a tiny little hard-on for watching big american soldiers fight against small opposition, but gets a little scared when the enemy might be nearly half the size of america, which might actually mean the outcome has an effect on "me"s' life.
"me"s' good ole apple pie morals take a back seat then huh?
So you only start fights on small counties with no armies cos your scared you'll get beat?
Iraq was a small country with a small army? I didnt think so. regardless, what kind of bullshit is this? should we invade because we think bin laden is there? does anybody here know anything about pakistan ?
whereas "me" has a tiny little hard-on for watching big american soldiers fight against small opposition, but gets a little scared when the enemy might be nearly half the size of america, which might actually mean the outcome has an effect on "me"s' life.
so what is everyones solution? we spend troops into the tribal areas? we overthrow the pakistani government?
I have provided reasons why we shouldnt. not one of you has said anything constructive besides. we dont want to get him, we are afraid to fight big wars, someone admittedly has a small hard on, bin laden is cia.
For somebody as condescending as you can be, you really need to bone up on the facts. Observation/reading time can be so much fun.
help me out here. what facts am I missing. what information am I not reading enough? I missed the article where cia visiting bin laden in an american hospital. i'm begging you, help me see the light. if not, stop wasting my time.
so what is everyones solution? we spend troops into the tribal areas? we overthrow the pakistani government?
I have provided reasons why we shouldnt. not one of you has said anything constructive besides. we dont want to get him, we are afraid to fight big wars, someone admittedly has a small hard on, bin laden is cia.
someone anyone?
My solution is this: pack up shop and come home from Afghanistan.
The original reason for the invasion/occupation was to "hunt down bin laden" and if we aren't going to that, then let's end it and move on...
My solution is this: pack up shop and come home from Afghanistan.
The original reason for the invasion/occupation was to "hunt down bin laden" and if we aren't going to that, then let's end it and move on...
how is that a solution to getting bin laden? second of all, the original reason for going to Afghanistan was to topple the taliban government who was harboring bin laden. we leave, they will come back. I dont think we should ever leave.
help me out here. what facts am I missing. what information am I not reading enough? I missed the article where cia visiting bin laden in an american hospital. i'm begging you, help me see the light. if not, stop wasting my time.
Yes! That exact fact. Anyway, if your government and people such as yourself who are hung up on your freedoms are so worried, then yes you should send troops right through Pakistan to find the Bin-man. Seems logical. I am not saying you have to destroy the country like you have in Iraq but as an ally they should open their doors to your military and be helping you search for him. As somebody else mentioned, when has a border ever stopped the US military and the power hungry fucks in power to do what they will.
Speaking of knowing what is going on in Pakistan. What happens when your boy either isn't allowed to run in the next election or gets beat. You do know how he is fearing for his power as we type. I am sure that if a modest, Muslim front runner wins the election that your government will have a spin faster then you can regurgitate the party line and be in that country in a flash.
Incase you are not up on your facts. Which seems to be the case with your questions all the time. The Taliban asked the US government for solid proof of your man Bin being behind 911 and without coughing up any proof decided to go into Afgan. When it is an inside job I guess you can't come up with any proof. Typical!
Yes! That exact fact. Anyway, if your government and people such as yourself who are hung up on your freedoms are so worried, then yes you should send troops right through Pakistan to find the Bin-man. Seems logical. I am not saying you have to destroy the country like you have in Iraq but as an ally they should open their doors to your military and be helping you search for him. As somebody else mentioned, when has a border ever stopped the US military and the power hungry fucks in power to do what they will.
ok so you are advocating sending troops into pakistan. I strongly disagree. does that mean I dont want to catch bin laden? no. I want him dead more then anybody. but i'm smart enough to realize going into pakistan is not the answer. but you believe bin laden to be innocent. why are you suggesting we invade pakistan to catch him?
Speaking of knowing what is going on in Pakistan. What happens when your boy either isn't allowed to run in the next election or gets beat. You do know how he is fearing for his power as we type. I am sure that if a modest, Muslim front runner wins the election that your government will have a spin faster then you can regurgitate the party line and be in that country in a flash.
could be the dumbest thing I ever heard. makes no sense and is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
When it is an inside job I guess you can't come up with any proof. Typical!
this is why I cant debate with you. you live in your own little world. brainwashed by god knows who about such garbage. and i'm the one who doesnt have his facts straight. typical.
refering to Iraq? yea, bullshit war. anything else?
you said it buddy. finally we agree on something.
we agree on nothing "buddy".
i joined the army to fight for what i believed in,gave my selfless commitment for 6 years, turned out my government didnt have the same ideals as me; you smart mouth rubbish to try and sound intelligent while trying to ass-kissing your way up some cosy corporate ladder.
i try to mix understanding in with my knowledge; you read something you think sounds worthy of an ass-kissing and pucker up.
i'm not scared; you're terrified.
Now highlight another few words instead of saying anything worth listening to.
how is that a solution to getting bin laden? second of all, the original reason for going to Afghanistan was to topple the taliban government who was harboring bin laden. we leave, they will come back. I dont think we should ever leave.
no, we went in to get bin laden...the "toppling" you speak of is a convenient excuse to stay and monitor the poppy fields...and if the taliban comes back, so be it. Take the money saved from stopping the occupation and put it toward securing our country...
let me ask you, what's your solution...? you give all these "reasons" to not get bin laden, yet you give nothing else...
so what is everyones solution? we spend troops into the tribal areas? we overthrow the pakistani government?
I have provided reasons why we shouldnt. not one of you has said anything constructive besides. we dont want to get him, we are afraid to fight big wars, someone admittedly has a small hard on, bin laden is cia.
someone anyone?
I don't have a solution, nor should I. But since we're the "all powerful and mighty" U.S., there should be no reason or excuse why we cannot find him. People call us the greatest country in the world? World Power? Then what the Hell is stopping us. We had no problem w/ finding criminals before; if we're all that many people say we are, we shouldn't be floundering. NO EXCUSES.
UNLESS, of course, we're not all we say we are; we have a corrupt and broken government and the CIA is a joke. The latter definately sounds more like what's really going on. We are no world super power, so we should stop acting like we are. We need to stop thinking we can solve the world's problems on our own.
War in Afghanistan (2001–present) began on October 7, 2001, in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. This marked the beginning of the U.S. war on terrorism. The purpose of the invasion was to capture Osama bin Laden, destroy Al-Qaeda, and remove the Taliban regime which had provided support and safe harbor to Al-Qaeda....
you cant be serious. so be it??? why in the world would you want these guys back in power. THEY ALLOWED AL QAEDA TO OPERATE FREELY. is taht what you want?
let me ask you, what's your solution...? you give all these "reasons" to not get bin laden, yet you give nothing else...
I dont have a solution.
I dont think there is much we can do IF he is in the tribal areas/mountain areas of the pakistan/afgan border. I dont think the US knows where he is. I think we have slimmed it down to the tribal areas. but again, we cant send troops in there walking around.
we have manless drones flying overhead firing rockets at al qaeda. but even that hasnt worked out.
I don't have a solution, nor should I. But since we're the "all powerful and mighty" U.S., there should be no reason or excuse why we cannot find him. People call us the greatest country in the world? World Power? Then what the Hell is stopping us. We had no problem w/ finding criminals before; if we're all that many people say we are, we shouldn't be floundering. NO EXCUSES.
UNLESS, of course, we're not all we say we are; we have a corrupt and broken government and the CIA is a joke. The latter definately sounds more like what's really going on. We are no world super power, so we should stop acting like we are. We need to stop thinking we can solve the world's problems on our own.
we are a world super power. but we can not catch bin laden.
War in Afghanistan (2001–present) began on October 7, 2001, in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. This marked the beginning of the U.S. war on terrorism. The purpose of the invasion was to capture Osama bin Laden, destroy Al-Qaeda, and remove the Taliban regime which had provided support and safe harbor to Al-Qaeda.... o boy here we go. a convenient excuse? this place is great. I have to stop being shocked by what you people say.
you cant be serious. so be it??? why in the world would you want these guys back in power. THEY ALLOWED AL QAEDA TO OPERATE FREELY. is taht what you want?
relax buddy. we can afford it. and do both.
I dont have a solution.
I dont think there is much we can do IF he is in the tribal areas/mountain areas of the pakistan/afgan border. I dont think the US knows where he is. I think we have slimmed it down to the tribal areas. but again, we cant send troops in there walking around.
we have manless drones flying overhead firing rockets at al qaeda. but even that hasnt worked out.
so, if you have no solution, how can you ask others for a solution..? and if we "can afford it" why don't we do it...?
it is a good read. and doesnt even come close to your contention that we toppled the taliban as an excuse to monitor the poppy fields. thats a joke and you know it.
it is a good read. and doesnt even come close to your contention that we toppled the taliban as an excuse to monitor the poppy fields. thats a joke and you know it.
what makes you so sure...? seriously, you present as if you're Mr. Know-it-All...
Iraq was a small country with a small army? I didnt think so. regardless, what kind of bullshit is this? should we invade because we think bin laden is there? does anybody here know anything about pakistan ?
So you are scared of some countries then.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
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hehehe. you just dont get it. If we really wanted him Pakistan saying "NO" would not matter. If you really think Pakistan would declare war on the U.S. if we conducted special ops in this area of Pakistan then you are hopeless. But you just keep on believing that is the reason we dont have Mr Laden.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
It didn't stop you invading afganistan though did it.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
rofl....bahhahaa...
I can't believe I read that either...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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For somebody as condescending as you can be, you really need to bone up on the facts. Observation/reading time can be so much fun.
yes it does. we cant prove bin laden is there. should we invade on a hunch?
you think a few special forces going into the tribal area has a chance? you my friend are hopeless.
you make no sense at all. tell me limp limbo. why dont we have bin laden?
So you only start fights on small counties with no armies cos your scared you'll get beat?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
The difference is that the "you" and the "everybody else" would also say no to fighting bullshit wars in smaller countries too.
whereas "me" has a tiny little hard-on for watching big american soldiers fight against small opposition, but gets a little scared when the enemy might be nearly half the size of america, which might actually mean the outcome has an effect on "me"s' life.
"me"s' good ole apple pie morals take a back seat then huh?
you said it buddy. finally we agree on something.
you and limbo spend too much time in AOL chat rooms with your LOLing
I have provided reasons why we shouldnt. not one of you has said anything constructive besides. we dont want to get him, we are afraid to fight big wars, someone admittedly has a small hard on, bin laden is cia.
someone anyone?
My solution is this: pack up shop and come home from Afghanistan.
The original reason for the invasion/occupation was to "hunt down bin laden" and if we aren't going to that, then let's end it and move on...
how is that a solution to getting bin laden? second of all, the original reason for going to Afghanistan was to topple the taliban government who was harboring bin laden. we leave, they will come back. I dont think we should ever leave.
Yes! That exact fact. Anyway, if your government and people such as yourself who are hung up on your freedoms are so worried, then yes you should send troops right through Pakistan to find the Bin-man. Seems logical. I am not saying you have to destroy the country like you have in Iraq but as an ally they should open their doors to your military and be helping you search for him. As somebody else mentioned, when has a border ever stopped the US military and the power hungry fucks in power to do what they will.
Speaking of knowing what is going on in Pakistan. What happens when your boy either isn't allowed to run in the next election or gets beat. You do know how he is fearing for his power as we type. I am sure that if a modest, Muslim front runner wins the election that your government will have a spin faster then you can regurgitate the party line and be in that country in a flash.
Incase you are not up on your facts. Which seems to be the case with your questions all the time. The Taliban asked the US government for solid proof of your man Bin being behind 911 and without coughing up any proof decided to go into Afgan. When it is an inside job I guess you can't come up with any proof. Typical!
could be the dumbest thing I ever heard. makes no sense and is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
again, tell me what facts i'm missing. you have yet to provide one.
I guess you were the only one who didnt know he was there. your kidding right?
this is why I cant debate with you. you live in your own little world. brainwashed by god knows who about such garbage. and i'm the one who doesnt have his facts straight. typical.
we agree on nothing "buddy".
i joined the army to fight for what i believed in,gave my selfless commitment for 6 years, turned out my government didnt have the same ideals as me; you smart mouth rubbish to try and sound intelligent while trying to ass-kissing your way up some cosy corporate ladder.
i try to mix understanding in with my knowledge; you read something you think sounds worthy of an ass-kissing and pucker up.
i'm not scared; you're terrified.
Now highlight another few words instead of saying anything worth listening to.
laffs again. what am terrified off? tell me tini wini.
no, we went in to get bin laden...the "toppling" you speak of is a convenient excuse to stay and monitor the poppy fields...and if the taliban comes back, so be it. Take the money saved from stopping the occupation and put it toward securing our country...
let me ask you, what's your solution...? you give all these "reasons" to not get bin laden, yet you give nothing else...
UNLESS, of course, we're not all we say we are; we have a corrupt and broken government and the CIA is a joke. The latter definately sounds more like what's really going on. We are no world super power, so we should stop acting like we are. We need to stop thinking we can solve the world's problems on our own.
War in Afghanistan (2001–present) began on October 7, 2001, in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. This marked the beginning of the U.S. war on terrorism. The purpose of the invasion was to capture Osama bin Laden, destroy Al-Qaeda, and remove the Taliban regime which had provided support and safe harbor to Al-Qaeda.... o boy here we go. a convenient excuse? this place is great. I have to stop being shocked by what you people say.
you cant be serious. so be it??? why in the world would you want these guys back in power. THEY ALLOWED AL QAEDA TO OPERATE FREELY. is taht what you want?
relax buddy. we can afford it. and do both.
I dont have a solution.
I dont think there is much we can do IF he is in the tribal areas/mountain areas of the pakistan/afgan border. I dont think the US knows where he is. I think we have slimmed it down to the tribal areas. but again, we cant send troops in there walking around.
we have manless drones flying overhead firing rockets at al qaeda. but even that hasnt worked out.
you cant even take the piss with any style or originality.
ok then, you're very boring but here you go:
1: someday, no amount of ass kissing is going to get you out of that spelling test you're dreading so much.
2: that goofy, boring as fuck "small hobby" of yours "check it out!!!!" might put someone in a coma you could be sued for.
and
3: that the big bad muslims are going to get you!! ahhhhhh
you people are really confusing me today. what the fuck are you talking about?
is this an attempt at humor? might put someone in a coma you could be sued for? is that the punch line?
what are we counting down?
keep it comin buddy. you are pure senseless entertainment. wow, just wow. back to the drawing board huh tini wini?
so, if you have no solution, how can you ask others for a solution..? and if we "can afford it" why don't we do it...?
here is a good read for you:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/01/AR2006120101654.html
we do.
it is a good read. and doesnt even come close to your contention that we toppled the taliban as an excuse to monitor the poppy fields. thats a joke and you know it.
what makes you so sure...? seriously, you present as if you're Mr. Know-it-All...
So you are scared of some countries then.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.