Are we still looking for Bin Laden?

jlew24asu

even flow? wrote:

yuo? Jibberish? Yeah!

Anyway my Pakistani intelligence, I think you should go in and get the guy and you don't. Pussy stance is all I can say.

He killed so many Yanks and we vowed to get him. But we are afraid to step on toes to do it. BULLSHIT that even your mentality can't twist around.

Thanks for the chat. When you actually offer up how to go about getting him in this thread, instead of "we can't go there" it will be a much better conversation. Until then...................................

advocate war with pakistan all you want. I would rather bin laden sit in a cave then war with pakistan.

jrb112476

reborncareerist wrote:

Uh huh. And your TV actually broadcasts your thoughts. They are not your own.

thats been on tv??

yellowled24

I saw a bumper sticker saying

"Warning....Osama bin Laden hiding in boot"

So funny

RolandTD20Kdrummer

If Bin Laden really had kidney failure...he's as dead as it gets by now.

" ZAHN: I think we need to remind the viewers once again that the president of Pakistan talked about [bin Laden] importing two dialysis machines into Afghanistan. Of course, no one other than the president of Pakistan right now is confirming that [bin Laden] in fact needed dialysis.

GUPTA: That's right. And again, renal dialysis -- talking about hemodialysis -- is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down.

The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that's happened, if you're separated from your dialysis machine -- and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they're going to require clean water, they're going to require a sterile setting -- infection is a huge risk with that. If you don't have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it's unlikely that you'd survive beyond several days or a week at the most. "

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/01/19/gen.musharraf.binladen.1.19/index.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/01/21/gupta.otsc/index.html

did he have kidney disease?
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/kidney.htm

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

If Bin Laden really had kidney failure...he's as dead as it gets by now.

" ZAHN: I think we need to remind the viewers once again that the president of Pakistan talked about [bin Laden] importing two dialysis machines into Afghanistan. Of course, no one other than the president of Pakistan right now is confirming that [bin Laden] in fact needed dialysis.

GUPTA: That's right. And again, renal dialysis -- talking about hemodialysis -- is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down.

The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that's happened, if you're separated from your dialysis machine -- and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they're going to require clean water, they're going to require a sterile setting -- infection is a huge risk with that. If you don't have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it's unlikely that you'd survive beyond several days or a week at the most. "

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/01/19/gen.musharraf.binladen.1.19/index.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/01/21/gupta.otsc/index.html

did he have kidney disease?
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/kidney.htm

the more I have head about this and the more time that goes by, I'm starting to believe this too. but until a body is found, he is as good as alive. even if he's dead

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

again with these baseless personal attacks. is that all you got?

So are you denying propaganda exists then? Or do you feel it's not something goverments and people in power use anymore?

It wouldn't surprise me.

El_Kabong

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.

Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became -- we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we -- excuse me for a minute -- and if we find a training camp, we'll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That's one of the things -- part of the new phase that's becoming apparent to the American people is that we're working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.

And we've got more work to do. See, that's the thing the American people have got to understand, that we've only been at this six months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don't know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it's going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink. And I'm not going to get tired. Because I know what is at stake. And history has called us to action, and I am going to seize this moment for the good of the world, for peace in the world and for freedom.

compared to his earlier statements:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/bush.powell.terrorism/

"I want justice," Bush said. "And there's an old poster out West… I recall, that said, 'Wanted, Dead or Alive.'"

jlew24asu

El_Kabong wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.

Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became -- we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we -- excuse me for a minute -- and if we find a training camp, we'll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That's one of the things -- part of the new phase that's becoming apparent to the American people is that we're working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.

And we've got more work to do. See, that's the thing the American people have got to understand, that we've only been at this six months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don't know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it's going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink. And I'm not going to get tired. Because I know what is at stake. And history has called us to action, and I am going to seize this moment for the good of the world, for peace in the world and for freedom.

compared to his earlier statements:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/bush.powell.terrorism/

"I want justice," Bush said. "And there's an old poster out West… I recall, that said, 'Wanted, Dead or Alive.'"

something wrong with what he said?

jlew24asu

spiral out wrote:

So are you denying propaganda exists then? Or do you feel it's not something goverments and people in power use anymore?

It wouldn't surprise me.

please stop wasting my time. you add nothing to this or any discussion.

El_Kabong

jlew24asu wrote:

something wrong with what he said?

yeah, how do you go from 'bin laden; dead or alive' to 'meh, i don't really think about him'????

jlew24asu

El_Kabong wrote:

yeah, how do you go from 'bin laden; dead or alive' to 'meh, i don't really think about him'????

sounds to me its because he realizes the war on terrorism is much greater then one person. osama is still the most wanted man in america. dont act as if he is sitting in his time share in the Jamaica because bush says "i dont really think about him"

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

please stop wasting my time. you add nothing to this or any discussion.

So i take it from that answer that you don't think propaganda is used anymore, or certainly in this case.

Do some reading you may well learn something, then you will stop repeating what you were told like a mantra.

My personal thoughts are America is not looking for bin laden as he's best kept alive and out there somewhere to keep the "supposed" war on terror going so chumps like you will continue to say nothing as your tax dollars are spent on war and your civil liberties stripped away.

jlew24asu

spiral out wrote:

So i take it from that answer that you don't think propaganda is used anymore, or certainly in this case.

Do some reading you may well learn something, then you will stop repeating what you were told like a mantra.

thats enough. fuck. your like a little child.

spiral out wrote:

My personal thoughts are America is not looking for bin laden

we are looking for him. but currently we cant go into pakistan where he most likely is. so we partol the border of afganhistan and use predator drones from the sky

spiral out wrote:

as he's best kept alive and out there somewhere to keep the "supposed" war on terror going so chumps like you will continue to say nothing as your tax dollars are spent on war and your civil liberties stripped away.

war on terror will not end with bin ladens capture. and my civil liberties are not being stripped away. if I feel they are, I will certainly voice my opinion. got it?

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

war on terror will end end with bin ladens capture.

Now that's just plain silly. Like Bush said, Bin Laden has very little to do with it any more. He played his cards, he did his part, he isn't much use to Bush anymore.

Bush, through his own actions, has got a whole new slough of Al Quaida recruits to call terrorists.

El_Kabong

spiral out wrote:

So i take it from that answer that you don't think propaganda is used anymore, or certainly in this case.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aQaO48XF6TI4&refer=top_world_news

Bush Administration Broke Propaganda Rules, GAO Says

or

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41077-2004May19.html
GAO Says HHS Broke Laws With Medicare Videos

The Bush administration violated two federal laws through part of its publicity campaign to promote changes in Medicare......The General Accounting Office concluded that the Department of Health and Human Services illegally spent federal money on what amounted to covert propaganda by producing videos about the Medicare changes that were made to look like news reports. Portions of the videos, which have been aired by 40 television stations around the country, do not make it clear that the announcers were paid by HHS and were not real reporters.

or

WASHINGTON, Jan. 6 - The Government Accountability Office, an investigative arm of Congress, said on Thursday that the Bush administration violated federal law by producing and distributing television news segments about the effects of drug use among young people.

The accountability office said the videos "constitute covert propaganda".....

or

http://www.rense.com/general44/50.htm

50 False News Stories By Bush Propaganda Machine
A Strategy of Lies: How the White House Fed the Public a Steady Diet of Falsehoods

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

Now that's just plain silly. Like Bush said, Bin Laden has very little to do with it any more. He played his cards, he did his part, he isn't much use to Bush anymore.

Bush, through his own actions, has got a whole new slough of Al Quaida recruits to call terrorists.

whoops my mistake. typo. I meant to say will not end.

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

thats enough. fuck. your like a little child.

we are looking for him. but currently we cant go into pakistan where he most likely is. so we partol the border of afganhistan and use predator drones from the sky

war on terror will not end with bin ladens capture. and my civil liberties are not being stripped away. if I feel they are, I will certainly voice my opinion. got it?

Did you by chance mean patrol?

Also read Kabongs post propaganda is used, so stop being angry because i'm challanging your narow views.

jlew24asu

spiral out wrote:

Did you by chance mean patrol?

I did.. but you knew exactly what I meant right. but you felt the need to point it out anyway?

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

I did.. but you knew exactly what I meant right. but you felt the need to point it out anyway?

So why can't you answer the question on propaganda? It does after all exist.

jlew24asu

spiral out wrote:

So why can't you answer the question on propaganda? It does after all exist.

and what question would that be? if it exists? sure it does. but since you say fox news is all propaganda, then it must be.