"Ask an atheist if he or she believes in the existence of aliens? If they answer, "no," then ask them how do they know that? Have they gone to all the other galaxies throughout the universe?
Try asking a christian to explain the difference between god and ET?
My holy book is 2001: A Space Odyssey. And I'm a follower of the writings of Arthur C. Clarke. I worship the big black monolith, which was sent down from the heavens to give primitive apes the knowledge to make tools. And I believe that all these worlds are ours... except Europa.
It's like scientology, only with better writing
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
think you have this backwards....most athiests I've spoken to feel there's a chance of exterterestial life..
That was my argument. That an Atheist can believe in life on other planets and not believe in God, and be totally logical in their reasoning behind it. Did you read my argument? It summed it all up.
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In the same way that you cannot disprove the flying spaghetti monster, you cannot disprove God.
But, if God does exist, then yer screwed.
Hence, I'm a paschal man, among others.
Paschal's Wager:
If God exists and you believe in him, you will probably go to heaven.
If God exists and you do not believe in him, you will probably not go to heaven.
If God doesn't exist and you believe in him, you are no worse off for having believed in him.
If God doesn't exist and you didn't believe in him, you have the fortune of saying "I was right!" when you're dead.
Theoretically, this wager should cause you to conclude that it is advantageous to bet that God exists. You have everything to win and nothing to lose.
I am not convinced that God does not exist. I take the optimist's view: if God didn't exist, there'd be a lot more pain and suffering than there is. So God must exist, because he limits our pain and suffering. Plenty of people point to God when they say that they were healed.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Notice that exponents 10 to the (-10) and 10 to (-11) resemble stars and outer space? well....that's a single carbon atom. The building blocks of all life earth.
I don't subscribe to planks constant....it's nonsense in my opinion. I say infinite big, infinite small. You can always cut something in half and have a piece of it/something left over to cut in half again. There can be no such thing as nothing in this universe. there is always something, and it's extremely easily proven with simple logic.
Absolute nothingness is not observed in this universe.
Therefore we are everything and nothing at the same time. Perfect for this filter in magnitude along the scale of infinity.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
That was my argument. That an Atheist can believe in life on other planets and not believe in God, and be totally logical in their reasoning behind it. Did you read my argument? It summed it all up.
mbangel10, did you not read the text of that message?
The author is saying that Atheist don't believe in God yet they believe in aliens, but he argues that God is an alien so therefore Atheists are hypocrites.
But the author's theory doesn't EVEN make any sense. And how does he know that all Atheists believe in aliens.
I've read that message 5 times and have no idea what the author is trying to prove.
In the same way that you cannot disprove the flying spaghetti monster, you cannot disprove God.
But, if God does exist, then yer screwed.
Hence, I'm a paschal man, among others.
Paschal's Wager:
If God exists and you believe in him, you will probably go to heaven.
If God exists and you do not believe in him, you will probably not go to heaven.
If God doesn't exist and you believe in him, you are no worse off for having believed in him.
If God doesn't exist and you didn't believe in him, you have the fortune of saying "I was right!" when you're dead.
Theoretically, this wager should cause you to conclude that it is advantageous to bet that God exists. You have everything to win and nothing to lose.
I am not convinced that God does not exist. I take the optimist's view: if God didn't exist, there'd be a lot more pain and suffering than there is. So God must exist, because he limits our pain and suffering. Plenty of people point to God when they say that they were healed.
oh my my my... i am not a gambling person. hell i wont even buy insurance, so theres no way on earth i could contemplate considering that God exists just in case. that is a weak argument imo.
fyi... for me, God doesnt exist and when im dead i wont know anyway, cause I'LL BE DEAD!!! as will all my senses that would enable me to detect the non existence of God(which i can already do btw )
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
In the same way that you cannot disprove the flying spaghetti monster, you cannot disprove God.
But, if God does exist, then yer screwed.
Hence, I'm a paschal man, among others.
Paschal's Wager:
If God exists and you believe in him, you will probably go to heaven.
If God exists and you do not believe in him, you will probably not go to heaven.
If God doesn't exist and you believe in him, you are no worse off for having believed in him.
If God doesn't exist and you didn't believe in him, you have the fortune of saying "I was right!" when you're dead.
Theoretically, this wager should cause you to conclude that it is advantageous to bet that God exists. You have everything to win and nothing to lose.
I am not convinced that God does not exist. I take the optimist's view: if God didn't exist, there'd be a lot more pain and suffering than there is. So God must exist, because he limits our pain and suffering. Plenty of people point to God when they say that they were healed.
Or, if a God does in fact exist and all this time you were praying to the wrong one. Oops, now you're dead and you have to answer to a pissed off Zeus.
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mbangel10, did you not read the text of that message?
The author is saying that Atheist don't believe in God yet they believe in aliens, but he argues that God is an alien so therefore Atheists are hypocrites.
But the author's theory doesn't EVEN make any sense. And how does he know that all Atheists believe in aliens.
I've read that message 5 times and have no idea what the author is trying to prove.
That's exactly my point. It's a Christian extremist argument that is only put out there so God fearing people will say "See! Now you have to believe in God!!" and every one else with a shred of common sense says, "WTF? Is this guy serious?"
If you are familiar with any other Christian extremist arguments, none of them have any logic behind them. You can't reason with people which have the same mentality as the author of that above argument.
In lieu of reason, there is faith.
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oh my my my... i am not a gambling person. hell i wont even buy insurance, so theres no way on earth i could contemplate considering that God exists just in case. that is a weak argument imo.
fyi... for me, God doesnt exist and when im dead i wont know anyway, cause I'LL BE DEAD!!! as will all my senses that would enable me to detect the non existence of God(which i can already do btw )
If God doesn't exist then there's no reason not to gamble
The paradoxical logic of that statement just made my head explode.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Or, if a God does in fact exist and all this time you were praying to the wrong one. Oops, now you're dead and you have to answer to a pissed off Zeus.
In the same way that you cannot disprove the flying spaghetti monster, you cannot disprove God.
But, if God does exist, then yer screwed.
Hence, I'm a paschal man, among others.
Paschal's Wager:
If God exists and you believe in him, you will probably go to heaven.
If God exists and you do not believe in him, you will probably not go to heaven.
If God doesn't exist and you believe in him, you are no worse off for having believed in him.
If God doesn't exist and you didn't believe in him, you have the fortune of saying "I was right!" when you're dead.
Theoretically, this wager should cause you to conclude that it is advantageous to bet that God exists. You have everything to win and nothing to lose.
I am not convinced that God does not exist. I take the optimist's view: if God didn't exist, there'd be a lot more pain and suffering than there is. So God must exist, because he limits our pain and suffering. Plenty of people point to God when they say that they were healed.
But what if you believe God due to this logic... is it really truly believing then? If you're only believing to get to heaven, isn't that selfish, therefore, unchristian?
And, if every different sect of Christianity claims they are the only ones who are going to heaven and everyone else is wrong, does that mean there will be a lot of people going to hell? That is, if there is such a thing as heaven and hell?
Bottom line...
WHO REALLY GIVES A FUCK WHAT SOMEONE ELSE BELIEVES?
...
God or No God... seriously... is your belief system so fucking weak that you need to prove others wrong... because you cannot prove you are right?
Have faith in your own PERSONAL beliefs and let it be.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
But what if you believe God due to this logic... is it really truly believing then? If you're only believing to get to heaven, isn't that selfish, therefore, unchristian?
Nay. Doing what is best for yourself is not always selfish. For instance, it is not selfish to take showers or brush your teeth. These are necessities to stay healthy.
Knowing the Lord is essential to your spiritual health. It's not selfish to desire the good.
And, if every different sect of Christianity claims they are the only ones who are going to heaven and everyone else is wrong, does that mean there will be a lot of people going to hell? That is, if there is such a thing as heaven and hell?
Every different sect of Christianity doesn't claim they are the only ones going to heaven. I would be careful about those who do, because they are likely cults.
A lot of people will be going to hell, no doubt. I make no presumptions about who those people will or will not be - that's God's judgment. He's given us some obvious indicators though...
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
But what if you believe God due to this logic... is it really truly believing then? If you're only believing to get to heaven, isn't that selfish, therefore, unchristian?
And, if every different sect of Christianity claims they are the only ones who are going to heaven and everyone else is wrong, does that mean there will be a lot of people going to hell? That is, if there is such a thing as heaven and hell?
...
The logic used to employ that Paschal's Wager is...
It is belief... just in case there is a God... so He won't be pissed at me.
Sufficient grounds for a belief system? I guess it all depends on the believer.
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Hail, Hail!!!
"Ask an atheist if he or she believes in the existence of aliens? If they answer, "no," then ask them how do they know that? Have they gone to all the other galaxies throughout the universe? The truth is that no atheist can reasonably deny the existence of alien life. To do so would be utter ignorance. If an atheist answers, "yes," then they have contradicted their claim that there is no God. Is not God an Alien? By every definition of the word, God is an alien, i.e., He is not of this earth. For an atheist to profess believe is alien life, while simultaneously denying the existence of God, is utter hypocrisy and foolishness."
so, you want us to just agree that god is an alien, then? will that make you feel better? will you feel more validated in your beliefs if we agree to that?
hell, i'm game!
one question, first- can we please, please now have a debate over whether he's actually green with three heads and prefers to go by the name of Zoog? because that debate would be just as sensible and useful as the one you're proposing.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
The belief in the Christian God however, can never be proven. It is the equivalent of a fairy tale derived from a fictional book that the Christian religion uses as a "pick and choose" guide to manipulate others into acting the way that they see fit.
Science can prove that life on other planets exist but science cannot prove the existence of the Christian God.
This is what makes all the difference, and also makes the argument posted an easy win for any atheist or agnostic.
Stuff White People Like - Religions Their Parents Don't Belong To
White people will often say they are “spiritual” but not religious. This usually means that they will believe in any religion that doesn’t involve Jesus. The most popular choices include Buddhism, Hinduism, Kabbalah, and, to a lesser extent, Scientology. A few even dip into Islam, but that’s much rarer, since you have to make real sacrifices and actually go to a mosque.
For the most part, white people prefer religions that produce artifacts and furniture that fit into their home or wardrobe. They are also particularly drawn to religions that do not require a lot of commitment or donations.
When a white person tells you “I’m a Buddhist/Hindu/Kabbalahist,” the best thing to do is ask how they arrived at their religious decision. The story will likely involve a trip to Thailand or a college class on religion.
Stuff White People Like - Religions Their Parents Don't Belong To
White people will often say they are “spiritual” but not religious. This usually means that they will believe in any religion that doesn’t involve Jesus. The most popular choices include Buddhism, Hinduism, Kabbalah, and, to a lesser extent, Scientology. A few even dip into Islam, but that’s much rarer, since you have to make real sacrifices and actually go to a mosque.
For the most part, white people prefer religions that produce artifacts and furniture that fit into their home or wardrobe. They are also particularly drawn to religions that do not require a lot of commitment or donations.
When a white person tells you “I’m a Buddhist/Hindu/Kabbalahist,” the best thing to do is ask how they arrived at their religious decision. The story will likely involve a trip to Thailand or a college class on religion.
I have a problem with organized religion but I respect an individuals right to worship whatever they want. If it makes them feel better about themselves, more power to them.
The majority of my criticism though is against many factions of the Christian faith. I'm not against the individual believer. I am against all of the organizations that are trying to strip away our constitution and intertwine church and state.
It's those Christians that are pushing their belief in the Christian God on the rest of us and attempting to create laws or change current ones to fit into their belief system.
The author of the original quote is going so far as to state that if you believe in the possibility of an alien life form existing you must believe in God. That way of thinking is just lunacy; it's like saying that evolution is not science but a religion. These people will argue that scientists are really trying to push their religious agenda in schools behind the guise of science, so therefore Intelligent Design should be there too.
Who here can make any sense of THAT one? It all completely bewilders me.
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The author is saying that Atheist don't believe in God yet they believe in aliens, but he argues that God is an alien so therefore Atheists are hypocrites.
But the author's theory doesn't EVEN make any sense. And how does he know that all Atheists believe in aliens.
I've read that message 5 times and have no idea what the author is trying to prove.
In the same way that you cannot disprove the flying spaghetti monster, you cannot disprove God.
But, if God does exist, then yer screwed.
Hence, I'm a paschal man, among others.
Paschal's Wager:
If God exists and you believe in him, you will probably go to heaven.
If God exists and you do not believe in him, you will probably not go to heaven.
If God doesn't exist and you believe in him, you are no worse off for having believed in him.
If God doesn't exist and you didn't believe in him, you have the fortune of saying "I was right!" when you're dead.
Theoretically, this wager should cause you to conclude that it is advantageous to bet that God exists. You have everything to win and nothing to lose.
I am not convinced that God does not exist. I take the optimist's view: if God didn't exist, there'd be a lot more pain and suffering than there is. So God must exist, because he limits our pain and suffering. Plenty of people point to God when they say that they were healed.
Do you have any idea how many religions with different gods exist? Don't fool yourself. There's no safe bet.
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thought you already lived there.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
oh honey i say it with love.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Try asking a christian to explain the difference between god and ET?
My holy book is 2001: A Space Odyssey. And I'm a follower of the writings of Arthur C. Clarke. I worship the big black monolith, which was sent down from the heavens to give primitive apes the knowledge to make tools. And I believe that all these worlds are ours... except Europa.
It's like scientology, only with better writing
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
That was my argument. That an Atheist can believe in life on other planets and not believe in God, and be totally logical in their reasoning behind it. Did you read my argument? It summed it all up.
In the same way that you cannot disprove the flying spaghetti monster, you cannot disprove God.
But, if God does exist, then yer screwed.
Hence, I'm a paschal man, among others.
Paschal's Wager:
If God exists and you believe in him, you will probably go to heaven.
If God exists and you do not believe in him, you will probably not go to heaven.
If God doesn't exist and you believe in him, you are no worse off for having believed in him.
If God doesn't exist and you didn't believe in him, you have the fortune of saying "I was right!" when you're dead.
Theoretically, this wager should cause you to conclude that it is advantageous to bet that God exists. You have everything to win and nothing to lose.
I am not convinced that God does not exist. I take the optimist's view: if God didn't exist, there'd be a lot more pain and suffering than there is. So God must exist, because he limits our pain and suffering. Plenty of people point to God when they say that they were healed.
-Enoch Powell
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Just like we can't look into quarks and recognize stuff...it's all purely random.
powers of 10 anyone?
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/
Notice that exponents 10 to the (-10) and 10 to (-11) resemble stars and outer space? well....that's a single carbon atom. The building blocks of all life earth.
I don't subscribe to planks constant....it's nonsense in my opinion. I say infinite big, infinite small. You can always cut something in half and have a piece of it/something left over to cut in half again. There can be no such thing as nothing in this universe. there is always something, and it's extremely easily proven with simple logic.
Absolute nothingness is not observed in this universe.
Therefore we are everything and nothing at the same time. Perfect for this filter in magnitude along the scale of infinity.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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The author is saying that Atheist don't believe in God yet they believe in aliens, but he argues that God is an alien so therefore Atheists are hypocrites.
But the author's theory doesn't EVEN make any sense. And how does he know that all Atheists believe in aliens.
I've read that message 5 times and have no idea what the author is trying to prove.
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oh my my my... i am not a gambling person. hell i wont even buy insurance, so theres no way on earth i could contemplate considering that God exists just in case. that is a weak argument imo.
fyi... for me, God doesnt exist and when im dead i wont know anyway, cause I'LL BE DEAD!!! as will all my senses that would enable me to detect the non existence of God(which i can already do btw
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Or, if a God does in fact exist and all this time you were praying to the wrong one. Oops, now you're dead and you have to answer to a pissed off Zeus.
That's exactly my point. It's a Christian extremist argument that is only put out there so God fearing people will say "See! Now you have to believe in God!!" and every one else with a shred of common sense says, "WTF? Is this guy serious?"
If you are familiar with any other Christian extremist arguments, none of them have any logic behind them. You can't reason with people which have the same mentality as the author of that above argument.
In lieu of reason, there is faith.
If God doesn't exist then there's no reason not to gamble
The paradoxical logic of that statement just made my head explode.
-Enoch Powell
My conception of God looks a lot like Zeus:
http://www.beliefnet.com/imgs/lede/christ_basilica2.jpg
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus!
-Enoch Powell
But what if you believe God due to this logic... is it really truly believing then? If you're only believing to get to heaven, isn't that selfish, therefore, unchristian?
And, if every different sect of Christianity claims they are the only ones who are going to heaven and everyone else is wrong, does that mean there will be a lot of people going to hell? That is, if there is such a thing as heaven and hell?
and theres also no reason TO gamble.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Exactly. Agnostics learn to not care about it. I'm too busy living and enjoying what I have. Sundays are for relaxing.
LOL...~
"Forgive every being,
the bad feelings
it's just me"
WHO REALLY GIVES A FUCK WHAT SOMEONE ELSE BELIEVES?
...
God or No God... seriously... is your belief system so fucking weak that you need to prove others wrong... because you cannot prove you are right?
Have faith in your own PERSONAL beliefs and let it be.
Hail, Hail!!!
Nay. Doing what is best for yourself is not always selfish. For instance, it is not selfish to take showers or brush your teeth. These are necessities to stay healthy.
Knowing the Lord is essential to your spiritual health. It's not selfish to desire the good.
Every different sect of Christianity doesn't claim they are the only ones going to heaven. I would be careful about those who do, because they are likely cults.
A lot of people will be going to hell, no doubt. I make no presumptions about who those people will or will not be - that's God's judgment. He's given us some obvious indicators though...
-Enoch Powell
Depends on yer odds
-Enoch Powell
is that evidence enough????
The logic used to employ that Paschal's Wager is...
It is belief... just in case there is a God... so He won't be pissed at me.
Sufficient grounds for a belief system? I guess it all depends on the believer.
Hail, Hail!!!
so, you want us to just agree that god is an alien, then? will that make you feel better? will you feel more validated in your beliefs if we agree to that?
hell, i'm game!
one question, first- can we please, please now have a debate over whether he's actually green with three heads and prefers to go by the name of Zoog? because that debate would be just as sensible and useful as the one you're proposing.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
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Stuff White People Like - Religions Their Parents Don't Belong To
White people will often say they are “spiritual” but not religious. This usually means that they will believe in any religion that doesn’t involve Jesus. The most popular choices include Buddhism, Hinduism, Kabbalah, and, to a lesser extent, Scientology. A few even dip into Islam, but that’s much rarer, since you have to make real sacrifices and actually go to a mosque.
For the most part, white people prefer religions that produce artifacts and furniture that fit into their home or wardrobe. They are also particularly drawn to religions that do not require a lot of commitment or donations.
When a white person tells you “I’m a Buddhist/Hindu/Kabbalahist,” the best thing to do is ask how they arrived at their religious decision. The story will likely involve a trip to Thailand or a college class on religion.
I have a problem with organized religion but I respect an individuals right to worship whatever they want. If it makes them feel better about themselves, more power to them.
The majority of my criticism though is against many factions of the Christian faith. I'm not against the individual believer. I am against all of the organizations that are trying to strip away our constitution and intertwine church and state.
It's those Christians that are pushing their belief in the Christian God on the rest of us and attempting to create laws or change current ones to fit into their belief system.
The author of the original quote is going so far as to state that if you believe in the possibility of an alien life form existing you must believe in God. That way of thinking is just lunacy; it's like saying that evolution is not science but a religion. These people will argue that scientists are really trying to push their religious agenda in schools behind the guise of science, so therefore Intelligent Design should be there too.
Who here can make any sense of THAT one? It all completely bewilders me.
Its okay to be confused...really.
HOLY SHIT THERE IS A GOD!!!!! :eek:
Close, but not so much!!
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Do you have any idea how many religions with different gods exist? Don't fool yourself. There's no safe bet.
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