How to Stump an Atheist

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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    mbangel10 wrote:
    "Ask an atheist if he or she believes in the existence of aliens? If they answer, "no," then ask them how do they know that? Have they gone to all the other galaxies throughout the universe? The truth is that no atheist can reasonably deny the existence of alien life. To do so would be utter ignorance. If an atheist answers, "yes," then they have contradicted their claim that there is no God. Is not God an Alien? By every definition of the word, God is an alien, i.e., He is not of this earth. For an atheist to profess believe is alien life, while simultaneously denying the existence of God, is utter hypocrisy and foolishness."

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Atheism/stump.htm

    This is the most humorous thing that I've read all day. It was posted on another message board and I couldn't resist responding.

    Here is my response:



    Discuss. :)

    think you have this backwards....most athiests I've spoken to feel there's a chance of exterterestial life..
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  • raszputini
    raszputini Posts: 119
    I'm sure how those two things relate. Maybe I missed something.

    Atheists could believe in aliens without believing in God from a purely mathematical (scientific/rational) perspective. It is mathematically VERY improbable that we are alone.

    People who believe in God can believe in aliens, depending on their interpretation of "God"

    "God-believers" could disbelieve in aliens, because of an anthropocentric view of reliogion.

    "God-believers" could also believe in aliens because of the same scientific rationality I mentioned above. Their religious beliefs could even encourage it.

    I think I know where you are going with is. Maybe you a suggesting that they are both faith-based exercises, so the rationales are the same. That's only true if the person has the same intangible "faith" in both. In my experience, belief in extra-terrestrials is not a faith-based exercise. Most of our ways of understanding the universe (physics, astronomy, geology) suggest that alien life is likely.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    LongRd. wrote:

    I'm pretty much non-religious but have nothing against religious people either.
    If they're inspirited by something that'll make them a better person, that's alright with me as long as they don't force it down my throat.

    amen...!!! :D

    This is exactly how I see it. well said...
  • KosmicJelli
    KosmicJelli Posts: 1,855
    How to stump an atheist??? Hmmmmm... cut off his legs?
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    mbangel10 wrote:
    "Ask an atheist if he or she believes in the existence of aliens? If they answer, "no," then ask them how do they know that? Have they gone to all the other galaxies throughout the universe? The truth is that no atheist can reasonably deny the existence of alien life. To do so would be utter ignorance. If an atheist answers, "yes," then they have contradicted their claim that there is no God. Is not God an Alien? By every definition of the word, God is an alien, i.e., He is not of this earth. For an atheist to profess believe is alien life, while simultaneously denying the existence of God, is utter hypocrisy and foolishness."
    The most retarded thing I've read all day.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    I must admit, I'm stumped. What do you say to these people?
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Collin wrote:
    I must admit, I'm stumped. What do you say to these people?
    This: "Hey, you. Fuck you." :D
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    This: "Hey, you. Fuck you." :D

    well thats just not manners. :p:D
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    catefrances wrote:
    well thats just not manners. :p:D
    I'm going to hell anyway, right? ;)
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I'm going to hell anyway, right? ;)

    thought you already lived there. :p:D
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    catefrances wrote:
    thought you already lived there. :p:D
    On behalf of everyone in Ireland:
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    "Hey, you. Fuck you." :D

    :p
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    On behalf of everyone in Ireland:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rhinocerous Surprise
    "Hey, you. Fuck you."



    :p

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  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    mbangel10 wrote:
    "Ask an atheist if he or she believes in the existence of aliens? If they answer, "no," then ask them how do they know that? Have they gone to all the other galaxies throughout the universe?

    Try asking a christian to explain the difference between god and ET?

    My holy book is 2001: A Space Odyssey. And I'm a follower of the writings of Arthur C. Clarke. I worship the big black monolith, which was sent down from the heavens to give primitive apes the knowledge to make tools. And I believe that all these worlds are ours... except Europa.




    It's like scientology, only with better writing :)
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  • mbangel10
    mbangel10 Posts: 548
    callen wrote:
    think you have this backwards....most athiests I've spoken to feel there's a chance of exterterestial life..

    That was my argument. That an Atheist can believe in life on other planets and not believe in God, and be totally logical in their reasoning behind it. Did you read my argument? It summed it all up.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Yer goin' tah hell mbangel10.

    In the same way that you cannot disprove the flying spaghetti monster, you cannot disprove God.

    But, if God does exist, then yer screwed.

    Hence, I'm a paschal man, among others.

    Paschal's Wager:

    If God exists and you believe in him, you will probably go to heaven.

    If God exists and you do not believe in him, you will probably not go to heaven.

    If God doesn't exist and you believe in him, you are no worse off for having believed in him.

    If God doesn't exist and you didn't believe in him, you have the fortune of saying "I was right!" when you're dead.

    Theoretically, this wager should cause you to conclude that it is advantageous to bet that God exists. You have everything to win and nothing to lose.

    I am not convinced that God does not exist. I take the optimist's view: if God didn't exist, there'd be a lot more pain and suffering than there is. So God must exist, because he limits our pain and suffering. Plenty of people point to God when they say that they were healed.
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    There is no evidence of GOD, ALIENS, or the TOOTH FAIRY!! Once you get or find the evidence, pm me and let me know! :D
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    What if all this universe exists in the firing of one synapse some gigantic things brain....but it has no idea we're here.

    Just like we can't look into quarks and recognize stuff...it's all purely random.

    powers of 10 anyone?
    http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/

    Notice that exponents 10 to the (-10) and 10 to (-11) resemble stars and outer space? well....that's a single carbon atom. The building blocks of all life earth.

    I don't subscribe to planks constant....it's nonsense in my opinion. I say infinite big, infinite small. You can always cut something in half and have a piece of it/something left over to cut in half again. There can be no such thing as nothing in this universe. there is always something, and it's extremely easily proven with simple logic.

    Absolute nothingness is not observed in this universe.

    Therefore we are everything and nothing at the same time. Perfect for this filter in magnitude along the scale of infinity.
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  • LONGRD
    LONGRD Posts: 6,036
    mbangel10 wrote:
    That was my argument. That an Atheist can believe in life on other planets and not believe in God, and be totally logical in their reasoning behind it. Did you read my argument? It summed it all up.
    mbangel10, did you not read the text of that message?

    The author is saying that Atheist don't believe in God yet they believe in aliens, but he argues that God is an alien so therefore Atheists are hypocrites.

    But the author's theory doesn't EVEN make any sense. And how does he know that all Atheists believe in aliens.

    I've read that message 5 times and have no idea what the author is trying to prove. :confused:
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