How to Stump an Atheist

mbangel10

"Ask an atheist if he or she believes in the existence of aliens? If they answer, "no," then ask them how do they know that? Have they gone to all the other galaxies throughout the universe? The truth is that no atheist can reasonably deny the existence of alien life. To do so would be utter ignorance. If an atheist answers, "yes," then they have contradicted their claim that there is no God. Is not God an Alien? By every definition of the word, God is an alien, i.e., He is not of this earth. For an atheist to profess believe is alien life, while simultaneously denying the existence of God, is utter hypocrisy and foolishness."

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Atheism/stump.htm

This is the most humorous thing that I've read all day. It was posted on another message board and I couldn't resist responding.

Here is my response:

To believe that there is a possibility of life on other planets and to believe in the Christian God are two completely separate things. The belief of one in no way supports the belief of the other.

The possibility of life on another planet is not that much of a stretch, it can be proven. It's highly likely that the US government (if not those of other countries) already have this proof, but has not officially released it to the public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-iuaW9dP2s

They just recently proved that there is water and minerals on Mars. This in itself proves that water/minerals on other planets is highly likely. We might not have the technology to see those planets right now but we can surmise that if water and minerals exists on two, there's a good chance that it exists on undiscovered planets. Thus, we can make an educated guess that life is possible on other planets, and even that microbiotic life can exist on Mars.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ix-update.html

The belief in the Christian God however, can never be proven. It is the equivalent of a fairy tale derived from a fictional book that the Christian religion uses as a "pick and choose" guide to manipulate others into acting the way that they see fit.

Science can prove that life on other planets exist but science cannot prove the existence of the Christian God.

This is what makes all the difference, and also makes the argument posted an easy win for any atheist or agnostic.

Discuss.

Staffan

mbangel10 wrote:

"Ask an atheist if he or she believes in the existence of aliens? If they answer, "no," then ask them how do they know that? Have they gone to all the other galaxies throughout the universe? The truth is that no atheist can reasonably deny the existence of alien life. To do so would be utter ignorance. If an atheist answers, "yes," then they have contradicted their claim that there is no God. Is not God an Alien? By every definition of the word, God is an alien, i.e., He is not of this earth. For an atheist to profess believe is alien life, while simultaneously denying the existence of God, is utter hypocrisy and foolishness."

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Atheism/stump.htm

This is the most humorous thing that I've read all day. It was posted on another message board and I couldn't resist responding.

Here is my response:



Discuss.

Discuss?
You've got it right

Peace

ps. I'm an Atheist ds.

kenny olav

Christians have had 2000 years to get their sophistry down pat, but so far all of their attempts have looked like this. However, a lot of people still get on that boat.

DriftingByTheStorm

That's why "smart" people simply say they are "agnostic".

let the mystery be.

orig_long red

i dont say atheist or agnostic. i say indifferent. as in, i dont give a shit whether or not there's a god or aliens.

writersu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWZ59qIwXGY



that is how to stump an athiest.............

acoustic guy

I am not smart enough to have all the right answers, but I do believe in God, and I do believe in Aliens on other planets.
Thats just the way it is for me.

MrBrian

long red wrote:

i dont say atheist or agnostic. i say indifferent. as in, i dont give a shit whether or not there's a god or aliens.

But maybe you should just view it as information. It's just something interesting to know. I mean it would be interesting if one knows for sure if aliens or God exists right?

You don't have to do anything with that information. But just to know the answers to such questions should be worth some care?

LONGRD

Kenny Olav wrote:

Christians have had 2000 years to get their sophistry down pat, but so far all of their attempts have looked like this. However, a lot of people still get on that boat.

Oh snap!

I'm pretty much non-religious but have nothing against religious people either.
If they're inspirited by something that'll make them a better person, that's alright with me as long as they don't force it down my throat.

SVRDhand13

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

That's why "smart" people simply say they are "agnostic".

let the mystery be.

Haha I couldn't agree with you more.

kenny olav

LongRd. wrote:

Oh snap!

I'm pretty much non-religious but have nothing against religious people either.
If they're inspirited by something that'll make them a better person, that's alright with me as long as they don't force it down my throat.

i've felt that way at times, but other times i think that any justification towards the spiritually healing & non-domineering strains of religion will only lead to the justification of the more intently sinister strains. right now is one of those times. i just think there are other, non-superstitious ways for people to better themselves, and i think those ways will work better in the long run.

mbangel10

writersu wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWZ59qIwXGY



that is how to stump an athiest.............

Touché

LOL!

Rhinocerous Surprise

If people think believing in aliens is the equivalent of believing in a religious deity, then they clearly haven't been paying attention to their scripture.

Vedderlution_Baby

I don't understand why we can't all just fuck off and leave each other alone rather than coming up with mind numbingly stupid ways to try and prove something that can't be proven either way.


It's like presenting arguments on what would be found in unicorn shit and actually getting offended and present stupid ass theories to try and one up the person you're arguing with.



By the way, fizzle berries are found in unicorn shit. And shut the fuck up about the god damn rainbow mushrooms. It's pretty well known that rainbow mushrooms don't even grow in the region that unicorns are thought to reside in.

mbangel10

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

I don't understand why we can't all just fuck off and leave each other alone rather than coming up with mind numbingly stupid ways to try and prove something that can't be proven either way.


It's like presenting arguments on what would be found in unicorn shit and actually getting offended and present stupid ass theories to try and one up the person you're arguing with.



By the way, fizzle berries are found in unicorn shit. And shut the fuck up about the god damn rainbow mushrooms. It's pretty well known that rainbow mushrooms don't even grow in the region that unicorns are thought to reside in.

By any chance, were you a Rainbrow Brite fan as a kid? LOL

Vedderlution_Baby

mbangel10 wrote:

By any chance, were you a Rainbrow Brite fan as a kid? LOL

I had never even heard of it until now. But no, I wasn't. It was before my time anyway.

I thought you meant Lite Brite

LONGRD

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

If people think believing in aliens is the equivalent of believing in a religious deity, then they clearly haven't been paying attention to their scripture.

Haha, Oh damn! I just got your joke there. LOL.

I'm not sure how many Atheists Mr. David j. Stewart stump there but with his ridiculous Web site he pretty contradicted everything God's done.

FiveB247x

Wouldn't the opposite then have to be true as well? ie.. Religious believers must believe in aliens solely because they can believe in them (spiritually) and acknowledge their presence yet don't actually or can't specifically document their existence? This example goes both ways and points out the flaws of both sides, which is exactly why I'm somewhere in the middle - I'd like to think there's something better than what we have on earth and in afterlife, but realistically also acknowledge how many irrational and illogical facts in history, science and similar I'd seriously have to discredit and merely pass over to be 100% sold on such philosophies and beliefs. But that's just my 2 cents.

writersu

mbangel10 wrote:

Touché

LOL!

thanks, I liked that one.......after my sons made me watch it like three times, it got funnier to me........the whole show is funny.....

Smellyman2

I just got dumber reading this thread..

moegossard

what's there to discuss? beliefs need not be based on absolute certainties to be justified. it's reasonable to believe there aren't aliens without traveling to every galaxy because well... there's been no scientific evidence presentend to this showing their existence.

Strangest Tribe

I'm a lonesome atheist eagerly waiting on the mothership

callen

mbangel10 wrote:

"Ask an atheist if he or she believes in the existence of aliens? If they answer, "no," then ask them how do they know that? Have they gone to all the other galaxies throughout the universe? The truth is that no atheist can reasonably deny the existence of alien life. To do so would be utter ignorance. If an atheist answers, "yes," then they have contradicted their claim that there is no God. Is not God an Alien? By every definition of the word, God is an alien, i.e., He is not of this earth. For an atheist to profess believe is alien life, while simultaneously denying the existence of God, is utter hypocrisy and foolishness."

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Atheism/stump.htm

This is the most humorous thing that I've read all day. It was posted on another message board and I couldn't resist responding.

Here is my response:



Discuss.

think you have this backwards....most athiests I've spoken to feel there's a chance of exterterestial life..

ianvomsaal

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=298129

raszputini

I'm sure how those two things relate. Maybe I missed something.

Atheists could believe in aliens without believing in God from a purely mathematical (scientific/rational) perspective. It is mathematically VERY improbable that we are alone.

People who believe in God can believe in aliens, depending on their interpretation of "God"

"God-believers" could disbelieve in aliens, because of an anthropocentric view of reliogion.

"God-believers" could also believe in aliens because of the same scientific rationality I mentioned above. Their religious beliefs could even encourage it.

I think I know where you are going with is. Maybe you a suggesting that they are both faith-based exercises, so the rationales are the same. That's only true if the person has the same intangible "faith" in both. In my experience, belief in extra-terrestrials is not a faith-based exercise. Most of our ways of understanding the universe (physics, astronomy, geology) suggest that alien life is likely.

inmytree

LongRd. wrote:

I'm pretty much non-religious but have nothing against religious people either.
If they're inspirited by something that'll make them a better person, that's alright with me as long as they don't force it down my throat.

amen...!!!

This is exactly how I see it. well said...

KosmicJelli

How to stump an atheist??? Hmmmmm... cut off his legs?

Jeremy1012

mbangel10 wrote:

"Ask an atheist if he or she believes in the existence of aliens? If they answer, "no," then ask them how do they know that? Have they gone to all the other galaxies throughout the universe? The truth is that no atheist can reasonably deny the existence of alien life. To do so would be utter ignorance. If an atheist answers, "yes," then they have contradicted their claim that there is no God. Is not God an Alien? By every definition of the word, God is an alien, i.e., He is not of this earth. For an atheist to profess believe is alien life, while simultaneously denying the existence of God, is utter hypocrisy and foolishness."

The most retarded thing I've read all day.

Collin

I must admit, I'm stumped. What do you say to these people?

Rhinocerous Surprise

Collin wrote:

I must admit, I'm stumped. What do you say to these people?

This: "Hey, you. Fuck you."

catefrances

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

This: "Hey, you. Fuck you."

well thats just not manners.