I'll say it: I think it's insulting that McCain chose

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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    godpt3 wrote:
    Yeah, it'll make a great movie of the week for the Lifetime Channel. You know, the difficult decision of of keeping the baby, even after prenatal genetic testing show Downs Syndrome... the difficulties of being a working mother fighting against gender roles. You know, that sort of thing. Excuse me while I go vomit!!! Sarah Palin makes a great story which can be marketed and spun to every soccer mom and housewife in the country. It doesn't make her Vice President material, though.

    You could say the same thing about Obama's story. Interracial child whose father abandons him who makes good and goes to Ivy League school and eventually runs for president.

    I mean Palin has already achieved point 1 of Obama's energy plan. She already has implemented a windfall profit tax on oil corporations in Alaska and given rebates back to her residents.

    I don't see what Obama has done other than be an excellent campaigner and an excellent orator that makes him presidential material.
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  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    What "judgment" argument? Obama suggested that we invade Pakistan...??????!!!!!!!

    I'm glad someone else caught that. I swear everytime EV sings 'No More' while supporting Obama all I can think is, "Pro War"

    It fucking disgusts me.

    Anyhoo - I'm impressed with the life story of Governor Palin. What a Cougar, eh?
    She is strong and admirable. However, she and I share very different social views.

    This type of person is an enigma I have yet to figure out. They are smart in many respects, people you could look up to if it weren't for their baffling views on science and social issues.

    I don't understand creationists (is she a young earth creationist? - ya, it matters to me) nor do I understand die hard pro-lifers.

    She does seem to walk the talk and I have a level of respect for that. I like when people are VERY CLEAR about where they stand.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    I'm glad someone else caught that. I swear everytime EV sings 'No More' while supporting Obama all I can think is, "Pro War"

    It fucking disgusts me.

    Anyhoo - I'm impressed with the life story of Governor Palin. What a Cougar, eh?
    She is strong and admirable. However, she and I share very different social views.

    This type of person is an enigma I have yet to figure out. They are smart in many respects, people you could look up to if it weren't for their baffling views on science and social issues.

    I don't understand creationists (is she a young earth creationist? - ya, it matters to me) nor do I understand die hard pro-lifers.

    She does seem to walk the talk and I have a level of respect for that. I like when people are VERY CLEAR about where they stand.

    Great post. Mirrors my views exactly (even though you and I are probably very different politically). I don't understand how people can think her Lifetime Network movie is any different than Obama's. I admire both of them for coming from modest means, and in relatelively little time becoming very influential. I am at odds with most of both of their politics, but their stories are compelling.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    godpt3 wrote:
    Which brings us back full circle to how Sarah Palin, with such little experience became governor of Alaska in the first place.

    Possibly similar to the way Obama sleazed his way into the Illinois senate I imagine. It is called politics.
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  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    What "judgment" argument? Obama suggested that we invade Pakistan...??????!!!!!!!


    Once again pure neocon bullshit spewing from your keyboard. It's like 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.

    Obama never suggested invading Pakistan and you know it. He simply said he wouldn't be adverse to following the Taliban and Bin Laden through the mountains of Afghanistan over the border into Pakistan. And if Bush hadn't been such a pussy, maybe we would have caught Bin Laden by now. Spin it how ever you want to though. No one with any common sense pays much attention to anything you post anyway
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,464
    jeffbr wrote:
    Possibly similar to the way Obama sleazed his way into the Illinois senate I imagine. It is called politics.
    sleazed his way into the illinois senate? last i checked he won rather easily. i can;t wait to see all of the bitching on this board when obama wins in a landslide.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    sleazed his way into the illinois senate? last i checked he won rather easily. i can;t wait to see all of the bitching on this board when obama wins in a landslide.

    He played the sleasy politics game. In a primary he challenged ballots and had all of his opponents disqualified. So I'm sure he did win rather easily.

    It will be interesting to see if you are right about a landslide. That kind of self-assured thinking will probably lead to another fucked up Democrat presidential race. When was the last time the Dems won the presidency in a landslide?
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Well I think Clinton beat Dole rather easily, didn't he?
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    Allie wrote:

    it's historical that she is the first female GOP VP candidate. That's what I was thinking when I saw it.

    FYI, that's factually wrong.

    1984 Democratic ticket, Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro VP. They lost to Ronald Reagan.

    Is that the info that's going around in American media??!! That McCain choice is historical?!!?!!!

    P.S. re: her looks, she was Miss Wasilla and Miss Alaska runner-up.
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    I think it's insulting that Obama chose to run for the presidency.

    That's interesting.

    Why do you find it insulting?
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    jeffbr wrote:
    I completely agree with you. I wasn't trying to suggest that the selection of Palin locks up the election for McCain, I just think it shores up a big chunk of the party that he was unable to capture. Since he has throw the conservative wing of the party a bone, I agree with you that he now needs to focus his efforts on the independents. He has spent too much time the last few years right up W's ass. It is time for him to extract himself, get cleaned up, and reintroduce himself to the independents he seems to have abandoned.


    While it strenghtens the fundamentalist conservative base, this choice also elimates the Republican Party line of attack against Obama on the issue of experience (she was mayor of a small town of 6,000 and gov of Alaskan for over a year, and I believe Alaska is one of the smallest state demographically), including foreign policy.

    On the flipside, McCain's choice leaves the ticket exposed on the economy issue. Neither of them have any acknowledge experience in this field, and it's a critical issue in the election. Or it should be considering the current economic climate.
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    catefrances wrote:
    i thought it was transparent and shallow.

    Yes, but it was strategically very well played. Whether it works in the long term, i.e. Nov 4th, we'll see.

    I'm not so sure it is so transparent to many Americans, sadly.
  • Piper At The Gates
    Piper At The Gates Posts: 460
    lgt wrote:
    FYI, that's factually wrong.

    1984 Democratic ticket, Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro VP. They lost to Ronald Reagan.

    Is that the info that's going around in American media??!! That McCain choice is historical?!!?!!!

    P.S. re: her looks, she was Miss Wasilla and Miss Alaska runner-up.

    The winner that year was a moose.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    justam wrote:
    this woman to try to attract the women that voted for Hillary.

    It's as if he thinks "One woman is as good as the next." As if he doesn't realize that people voted for Hillary because they also thought she was a good candidate!

    It's maddening!!!

    Yawn.

    Yeah - you would have supported most of his other choices, right?

    You'd have come up with a negative spin on anyone he chose.
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  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    lgt wrote:
    FYI, that's factually wrong.

    1984 Democratic ticket, Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro VP. They lost to Ronald Reagan.

    Is that the info that's going around in American media??!! That McCain choice is historical?!!?!!!

    P.S. re: her looks, she was Miss Wasilla and Miss Alaska runner-up.

    FYI, factually she was correct.

    The OP said she was the first "GOP" VP. Clearly talking about the 1st Republican female running mate. Not the 1st overall.
  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Would you do there?

    Sorry, I was up a little too late....

    Yes I would do HER......in the same chair Bill got a BJ.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    brandon10 wrote:
    Obama never suggested invading Pakistan and you know it.

    I ain't a neo-con. I eat neo-cons for breakfast. I'm opposed to this war on turr and the war in Iraq. And I would deport neo-cons just as quickly as I'd deport immigrants.
    He simply said he wouldn't be adverse to following the Taliban and Bin Laden through the mountains of Afghanistan over the border into Pakistan.

    So...invading Pakistan. Pakistan is our ally right now. WHy the hell would we "follow the Taliban and Bin Laden" into the lands of an ally? Our ally can deal with Bin Laden. That STILL shows Obama's lack of judgment because you DON'T send your military into the lands of your ally. That's just plain stupid and even the biggest leftist scum agree with me on that.

    The best thing to do is to change our foreign policy and our support for Israel. The savages over there hate us because of our support for the Jews' murdering in Israel and our imperialist tone.

    We need to accept our losses and change direction - become more inwardly focused and send the foreigners packing.
    And if Bush hadn't been such a pussy, maybe we would have caught Bin Laden by now. Spin it how ever you want to though. No one with any common sense pays much attention to anything you post anyway

    Hey, I probably hate Bush more than you.

    But I don't give a fuck whether he catches Bin Laden or not. Bin Laden's life is inconsequential, just as most of the people who live in the middle east.

    The bottom line is: I don't want anything to do with them. I want my country to become energy independent so we don't have to deal with the middle east anymore.
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  • SuzannePjam
    SuzannePjam Posts: 411
    At least her judgement is sound and she has her priorities in the right place! :D

    "Sarah Palin, a commercial fisherman from Wasilla, told her husband on Tuesday she was driving to Anchorage to shop at Costco. Instead, she headed straight for Ivana.

    And there, at J.C. Penney's cosmetic department, was Ivana, the former Mrs. Donald Trump, sitting at a table next to a photograph of herself. She wore a light-colored pantsuit and pink fingernail polish. Her blonde hair was coiffed in a bouffant French twist.

    ''We want to see Ivana,'' said Palin, who admittedly smells like salmon for a large part of the summer, ''because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture.''

    --Anchorage Daily News
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  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    Wilds wrote:
    FYI, factually she was correct.

    The OP said she was the first "GOP" VP. Clearly talking about the 1st Republican female running mate. Not the 1st overall.

    My bad - missed the GOP bit.
  • lowbudgetlush
    lowbudgetlush Posts: 612
    catefrances wrote:
    i thought it was transparent and shallow.

    But you didnt find it "transparent & shallow" when Obama preaching "change" picked a senator that is "old & white" to target the older white population?

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