I'll say it: I think it's insulting that McCain chose

CorporateWhore

digster wrote:

Well, like him or not Obama ran and we voted him in as the Democratic nominee. No one voted in Palin, so the consequences of this decision rest with McCain and McCain alone, and it's going to show the faults in his judgment and the vapidity of his message.

Talk about vapidity, Obama's speeches are as evanescent as the summer breeze.

He has no plan, and he will destroy this country.

Brain of J.Lo

I agree. It was a political decision when it should have been a decision based on anything but... It is an insult to women, but one that should be expected from the GOP.

Brain of J.Lo

Lizard wrote:

I just hope it backfires on his ass!!!

I think it will, as long as the Dems commit to showing the Hillary hold-outs just how strikingly *different* the two women are.

CorporateWhore

Palin was well-respected much before she became the VP pick. Plenty of Republican insiders viewed her as a solid governor.

It's not like McCain just chose her because she's a woman. She's one of the best stories in the party, and she's got solid conservative credentials. McCain's been struggling with the Right, and nominating Palin was his way of winning them over.

James Dobson just signed onto McCain's campaign because of this nomination.

g under p

CorporateWhore wrote:

Talk about vapidity, Obama's speeches are as evanescent as the summer breeze.

He has no plan, and he will destroy this country.

It's already pretty destroyed by guess who, now it needs to be bandaged up and to have it's deep wounds healed. The question is can Obama be the man to fix or can anyone?

Peace

decides2dream

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

I think it will, as long as the Dems commit to showing the Hillary hold-outs just how strikingly *different* the two women are.

i would like to think that any hillary 'hold-outs' are intelligent enough to see things as they are. just putting another female on the ticket, any female...ain't gonna do it. i would hazard a guess and imagine most hillary supporters actually CARE about women's issues, amongst many other issues...and palin is NOT the candidate of choice to support that, ever...not by a long-shot. strikingly...different....HELL YEA!

digster

CorporateWhore wrote:

Talk about vapidity, Obama's speeches are as evanescent as the summer breeze.

He has no plan, and he will destroy this country.

Way to not respond to anything I said.

And if you are honestly trying to tell me that this was not a response to Clinton not being on the Democratic ticket, you're deluding yourself. But you seem to be pretty good at that.

godpt3

justam wrote:

this woman to try to attract the women that voted for Hillary.

It's as if he thinks "One woman is as good as the next." As if he doesn't realize that people voted for Hillary because they also thought she was a good candidate!

It's maddening!!!

Considering a couple of the other women who were supposedly on McCain's short list, I'm not surprised. Carly Fiorina and Ann Veneman. With Carly, you have to deal with the baggage of her complete failure of management at HP. Along with here complete lack of governmental experience. Veneman served as Shrub's Secretary of Agriculture during his first term and was so completely hated by the Red State ag community that the only thing which saved her from being shown the door well before the first term was up was... a diagnosis of breast cancer.

I think McCain was looking for a woman, any woman, to fill the ticket. I'm just surprised he picked Palin, an ALASKA Republican. Which brings us back to Sen. Ted Stevens... currently facing ethics charges... which brings us to Sen. Lisa Murkowski... also facing ethics charges... which brings us back to Lisa's father Frank, the former governor of Alaska (gee, wonder how Lisa got the Senator gig). Which brings us back full circle to how Sarah Palin, with such little experience became governor of Alaska in the first place.

Brain of J.Lo

decides2dream wrote:

i would like to think that any hillary 'hold-outs' are intelligent enough to see things as they are. just putting another female on the ticket, any female...ain't gonna do it. i would hazard a guess and imagine most hillary supporters actually CARE about women's issues, amongst many other issues...and palin is NOT the candidate of choice to support that, ever...not by a long-shot. strikingly...different....HELL YEA!

I think there will be a small percentage that feel so robbed by Clinton's loss that they won't vote for Obama. But, I don't believe they'll become enthusiastic supporters of McCain simply because he chose someone equipped with a uterus.

I think you're right that the strongest Clinton supporters are willing to educate themselves and make an informed decision.

decides2dream

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

I think there will be a small percentage that feel so robbed by Clinton's loss that they won't vote for Obama. But, I don't believe they'll become enthusiastic supporters of McCain simply because he chose someone equipped with a uterus.

I think you're right that the strongest Clinton supporters are willing to educate themselves and make an informed decision.

hey, it's their choice to make. i support that. just thinking that if the issues that hillary supported were truly important to them there is NO way in hell they could even consider mccain. i would see most, perhaps slowly, turning towards obama...and hell, even nader.....a write-in....just NOT mccain. it seems so counter-intuitive i cannot imagine the choice at ALL.

Brain of J.Lo

decides2dream wrote:

i would see most, perhaps slowly, turning towards obama...and hell, even nader.....a write-in....just NOT mccain. it seems so counter-intuitive i cannot imagine the choice at ALL.

Exactly. It was counter-intuitive before his VP pick, and now even more so, based on the insulting nature of this choice. Women are not interchangeable pod people.

It's like what she said in her speech the other night. Were you in it for me? Or because of the issues at stake? (Obviously paraphrasing here...lol.) Hopefully, that'll ring true. I feel that it will, even if it takes a little time.

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decides2dream wrote:

exactly....well i don't know, but just agreeing with the idea.
thing is, i've already read a few times over on this board about women going with women...simply b/c they are women...and i am thinking, wtf?! seriously. it IS insulting! i've said it a few times over on this board, but i am saying it again: if one TRULY was a hillary supporter, there is NO way in this world one would now support mccain simply b/c he chose a female VP. beyond being of the same gender, they have NOTHING in common politically....so really..........pointless to compare/assume...yikes.....

Suddenly McCain is reminding me of some of the people on this very board who seem to think that when women support other women (especially politically) it's just because they're both women, regardless of merit. :rolleyes:

decides2dream wrote:

also this:





it interests me to consider. 5 kids.....young? i haven't looked into it. i AM a believer in a woman being able to do just about anything a man can, and ably....but in such a situation i do wonder...is it wise? IF she were to make her way to the presidency, can she balance it all? could anyone? i would certainly be the last person to hold a family 'against' anyone.....but i do wonder. also why i think many candidates are older, not so many young children.....and yes, the 'double-standard' of the wife takes care of the kids, and that IS usally the case with political couples. not saying it's right, just sayin'. so i hope her husband would at the very least be primary care-giver/househusband while she was VP. no matter what, it's a LOT to take on and consider.


eh, i hope it remians a non-issue...that mccain/palin never step foot in the white house, except to visit.

I heard today that she has a son in the military who's about to go to war, a 7-year-old daughter, and a son just born in April who has Down Syndrome. I didn't hear about the other two.

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Brain of J.Lo wrote:

I agree. It was a political decision when it should have been a decision based on anything but... It is an insult to women, but one that should be expected from the GOP.

Obviously he's more concerned with doing whatever he thinks will win him the election than with doing what's best for this country.

unsung

Wow the whining is running deep today. She is a threat and now people are running scared. Most probably thought it was going to be Romney, and I think she is a pleasant surprise. At least now nobody can question her lack of experience.

Brain of J.Lo

scb wrote:

Obviously he's more concerned with doing whatever he thinks will win him the election than with doing what's best for this country.

Yup. Which is fine, because it underscores the Dems' "judgment" argument.

CorporateWhore

What "judgment" argument? Obama suggested that we invade Pakistan...??????!!!!!!!

CHANGEinWAVES

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

The problem is, they're going for the clown vote.

hahahahhaha! this sums up EVERYTHING:)
phew u made my night:)

Solat13

decides2dream wrote:

hey, it's their choice to make. i support that. just thinking that if the issues that hillary supported were truly important to them there is NO way in hell they could even consider mccain. i would see most, perhaps slowly, turning towards obama...and hell, even nader.....a write-in....just NOT mccain. it seems so counter-intuitive i cannot imagine the choice at ALL.

I'm a registered independent and voted Libertarian the last two elections and probably will again, but Palin does intrigue me.

The thing is I know she stands for very different issues than Hillary, but there will be a segment of Hillary voters that will align with Palin. Here's why:

Unlike Hillary who rode Bill's coattails and her time as first lady to become a Senator. I know people don't want to admit this, but if Bill never was president would Hillary be a Senator right now or been a viable candidate for president?

Palin went from being working mom PTA member that was part of a union, to running and winning an office in city council for four years, to being a mayor for 6 years, to ultimately be a governor. Now if that is not the American dream for a lot of working moms I don't know what is.

Her story is going to appeal to a lot of working moms especially when the Republicans tell it at the RNC next week.

xavier mcdaniel

Solat13 wrote:

I'm a registered independent and voted Libertarian the last two elections and probably will again, but Palin does intrigue me.

The thing is I know she stands for very different issues than Hillary, but there will be a segment of Hillary voters that will align with Palin. Here's why:

Unlike Hillary who rode Bill's coattails and her time as first lady to become a Senator. I know people don't want to admit this, but if Bill never was president would Hillary be a Senator right now or been a viable candidate for president?

Palin went from being working mom PTA member that was part of a union, to running and winning an office in city council for four years, to being a mayor for 6 years, to ultimately be a governor. Now if that is not the American dream for a lot of working moms I don't know what is.

Her story is going to appeal to a lot of working moms especially when the Republicans tell it at the RNC next week.

Regardless of her stances on various issues, to rise from being a PTA member and ascending up the political ladder to eventually be selected for the second highest political office in the country in that short amount of time, it is definitely impressive.

godpt3

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

Regardless of her stances on various issues, to rise from being a PTA member and ascending up the political ladder to eventually be selected for the second highest political office in the country in that short amount of time, it is definitely impressive.

Yeah, it'll make a great movie of the week for the Lifetime Channel. You know, the difficult decision of of keeping the baby, even after prenatal genetic testing show Downs Syndrome... the difficulties of being a working mother fighting against gender roles. You know, that sort of thing. Excuse me while I go vomit!!! Sarah Palin makes a great story which can be marketed and spun to every soccer mom and housewife in the country. It doesn't make her Vice President material, though.