Yeah, it'll make a great movie of the week for the Lifetime Channel. You know, the difficult decision of of keeping the baby, even after prenatal genetic testing show Downs Syndrome... the difficulties of being a working mother fighting against gender roles. You know, that sort of thing. Excuse me while I go vomit!!! Sarah Palin makes a great story which can be marketed and spun to every soccer mom and housewife in the country. It doesn't make her Vice President material, though.
You could say the same thing about Obama's story. Interracial child whose father abandons him who makes good and goes to Ivy League school and eventually runs for president.
I mean Palin has already achieved point 1 of Obama's energy plan. She already has implemented a windfall profit tax on oil corporations in Alaska and given rebates back to her residents.
I don't see what Obama has done other than be an excellent campaigner and an excellent orator that makes him presidential material.
What "judgment" argument? Obama suggested that we invade Pakistan...??????!!!!!!!
I'm glad someone else caught that. I swear everytime EV sings 'No More' while supporting Obama all I can think is, "Pro War"
It fucking disgusts me.
Anyhoo - I'm impressed with the life story of Governor Palin. What a Cougar, eh?
She is strong and admirable. However, she and I share very different social views.
This type of person is an enigma I have yet to figure out. They are smart in many respects, people you could look up to if it weren't for their baffling views on science and social issues.
I don't understand creationists (is she a young earth creationist? - ya, it matters to me) nor do I understand die hard pro-lifers.
She does seem to walk the talk and I have a level of respect for that. I like when people are VERY CLEAR about where they stand.
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
I'm glad someone else caught that. I swear everytime EV sings 'No More' while supporting Obama all I can think is, "Pro War"
It fucking disgusts me.
Anyhoo - I'm impressed with the life story of Governor Palin. What a Cougar, eh?
She is strong and admirable. However, she and I share very different social views.
This type of person is an enigma I have yet to figure out. They are smart in many respects, people you could look up to if it weren't for their baffling views on science and social issues.
I don't understand creationists (is she a young earth creationist? - ya, it matters to me) nor do I understand die hard pro-lifers.
She does seem to walk the talk and I have a level of respect for that. I like when people are VERY CLEAR about where they stand.
Great post. Mirrors my views exactly (even though you and I are probably very different politically). I don't understand how people can think her Lifetime Network movie is any different than Obama's. I admire both of them for coming from modest means, and in relatelively little time becoming very influential. I am at odds with most of both of their politics, but their stories are compelling.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
What "judgment" argument? Obama suggested that we invade Pakistan...??????!!!!!!!
Once again pure neocon bullshit spewing from your keyboard. It's like 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.
Obama never suggested invading Pakistan and you know it. He simply said he wouldn't be adverse to following the Taliban and Bin Laden through the mountains of Afghanistan over the border into Pakistan. And if Bush hadn't been such a pussy, maybe we would have caught Bin Laden by now. Spin it how ever you want to though. No one with any common sense pays much attention to anything you post anyway
Possibly similar to the way Obama sleazed his way into the Illinois senate I imagine. It is called politics.
sleazed his way into the illinois senate? last i checked he won rather easily. i can;t wait to see all of the bitching on this board when obama wins in a landslide.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
sleazed his way into the illinois senate? last i checked he won rather easily. i can;t wait to see all of the bitching on this board when obama wins in a landslide.
He played the sleasy politics game. In a primary he challenged ballots and had all of his opponents disqualified. So I'm sure he did win rather easily.
It will be interesting to see if you are right about a landslide. That kind of self-assured thinking will probably lead to another fucked up Democrat presidential race. When was the last time the Dems won the presidency in a landslide?
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
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Well I think Clinton beat Dole rather easily, didn't he?
I completely agree with you. I wasn't trying to suggest that the selection of Palin locks up the election for McCain, I just think it shores up a big chunk of the party that he was unable to capture. Since he has throw the conservative wing of the party a bone, I agree with you that he now needs to focus his efforts on the independents. He has spent too much time the last few years right up W's ass. It is time for him to extract himself, get cleaned up, and reintroduce himself to the independents he seems to have abandoned.
While it strenghtens the fundamentalist conservative base, this choice also elimates the Republican Party line of attack against Obama on the issue of experience (she was mayor of a small town of 6,000 and gov of Alaskan for over a year, and I believe Alaska is one of the smallest state demographically), including foreign policy.
On the flipside, McCain's choice leaves the ticket exposed on the economy issue. Neither of them have any acknowledge experience in this field, and it's a critical issue in the election. Or it should be considering the current economic climate.
this woman to try to attract the women that voted for Hillary.
It's as if he thinks "One woman is as good as the next." As if he doesn't realize that people voted for Hillary because they also thought she was a good candidate!
It's maddening!!!
Yawn.
Yeah - you would have supported most of his other choices, right?
You'd have come up with a negative spin on anyone he chose.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Obama never suggested invading Pakistan and you know it.
I ain't a neo-con. I eat neo-cons for breakfast. I'm opposed to this war on turr and the war in Iraq. And I would deport neo-cons just as quickly as I'd deport immigrants.
He simply said he wouldn't be adverse to following the Taliban and Bin Laden through the mountains of Afghanistan over the border into Pakistan.
So...invading Pakistan. Pakistan is our ally right now. WHy the hell would we "follow the Taliban and Bin Laden" into the lands of an ally? Our ally can deal with Bin Laden. That STILL shows Obama's lack of judgment because you DON'T send your military into the lands of your ally. That's just plain stupid and even the biggest leftist scum agree with me on that.
The best thing to do is to change our foreign policy and our support for Israel. The savages over there hate us because of our support for the Jews' murdering in Israel and our imperialist tone.
We need to accept our losses and change direction - become more inwardly focused and send the foreigners packing.
And if Bush hadn't been such a pussy, maybe we would have caught Bin Laden by now. Spin it how ever you want to though. No one with any common sense pays much attention to anything you post anyway
Hey, I probably hate Bush more than you.
But I don't give a fuck whether he catches Bin Laden or not. Bin Laden's life is inconsequential, just as most of the people who live in the middle east.
The bottom line is: I don't want anything to do with them. I want my country to become energy independent so we don't have to deal with the middle east anymore.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
At least her judgement is sound and she has her priorities in the right place!
"Sarah Palin, a commercial fisherman from Wasilla, told her husband on Tuesday she was driving to Anchorage to shop at Costco. Instead, she headed straight for Ivana.
And there, at J.C. Penney's cosmetic department, was Ivana, the former Mrs. Donald Trump, sitting at a table next to a photograph of herself. She wore a light-colored pantsuit and pink fingernail polish. Her blonde hair was coiffed in a bouffant French twist.
''We want to see Ivana,'' said Palin, who admittedly smells like salmon for a large part of the summer, ''because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture.''
--Anchorage Daily News
"Where there is sacrifice there is someone collecting the sacrificial offerings."-- Ayn Rand
"Some of my friends sit around every evening and they worry about the times ahead,
But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference and the promise of an early bed..."-- Elvis Costello
But you didnt find it "transparent & shallow" when Obama preaching "change" picked a senator that is "old & white" to target the older white population?
But you didnt find it "transparent & shallow" when Obama preaching "change" picked a senator that is "old & white" to target the older white population?
I think that both candidates are listening to the news reports and are picking people that they think will get them elected. That's playing politics!
Palin fits the mold of what McCain needs to help him along. A young woman to get the Hillary votes away from Obama. Biden, for the experience factor.
Will it work? Election day will tell.
I would like to see several debates between the VP-hopefuls.
this woman to try to attract the women that voted for Hillary.
It's as if he thinks "One woman is as good as the next." As if he doesn't realize that people voted for Hillary because they also thought she was a good candidate!
It's maddening!!!
I'll say it...I think you are too sensative and nothing he did would have pleased you anyhow. People just look for ways to be offended.
puh-lease!! this was a last ditch hail mary from mcsame. he only met her ONCE before selecting her for the second highest position in the gov't. i think the old man is losing his marbles (and the election!)
and just a month ago she said she doesn't even know what the veep does! and she doesn't even own a passport!! hahahahahahhaha!!!!! there goes the "experience" argument against obama.
Nice to see those with an "open mind" simply end up spouting dem. talking points..."McSame"??? It's just stupid.
I would first like to say that I am an undecided voter and a registered independant, so I am not catering to either side with my comments. With that being said, I just wanted to point out a few things:
1. In 1968 Richard Nixon chose Spiro Agnew as running mate, and in 1988 George Bush Sr. chose Dan Quayle. Both Agnew and Quayle were criticized as being too young, unknown, and inexperienced for the position as compared to their Democratic counterparts. Both Nixon and Bush won their elections.
2. McCain choosing Palin will gain him more female votes including Hillary supporters. There are still plenty of "pissed-off at Barack" Hillary supporters who didn't like him during the democratic primary wars and now probably don't like him even more because he had the opportunity to pick Hillary as a running mate and he instead chose Joe Biden.
3. McCain still has the high ground on the experience argument. This is a PRESIDENTIAL election, not a Vice-Presidential election. Camparing Palin's inexperience to Obama's is moot. Obama is running aginst McCain, not Palin.
4. The McCain is "too old" and Palin is now "one heartbeat away from the presidency" concern is far-fetched. Ronald Reagan was 70 was he was elected president, he was shot in a failed assassination attempt, and most-likey started to develop Alzheimers disease while in office, and he lived through 2 terms.
With that being said, I don't think Palin was the best choice for McCain. I think he would've been better off with Mitt Romney or Tom Ridge, just as Obama would've been better off with Hillary or Tim Kaine. Overall, I think McCain's choice was more advantageous than Obama's. Gender aside, Palin brings a freshness with a non-washington bullshit feel. Plus he appeased to the evangelical, conservative, 2nd Amendment republican crowd that were reluctant to support him. Aside from foreign policy experience, I don't see how Joe Biden will help Obama. He's notortiously liberal, has no military experience, was busted in a plagerism scandal when he ran for president in 1988, and he's not going to bring in any voters that Obama didn't already have. Obama needs to court the fiscally conservative democrats (Reagan Democrats) and the undecided and independant voters. Joe Biden won't do that for him.
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puh-lease!! this was a last ditch hail mary from mcsame. he only met her ONCE before selecting her for the second highest position in the gov't. i think the old man is losing his marbles (and the election!)
and just a month ago she said she doesn't even know what the veep does! and she doesn't even own a passport!! hahahahahahhaha!!!!! there goes the "experience" argument against obama.
Right, owning a passport is the open door to experience...:rolleyes:
And presumably, you own a passport so you have experience.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
it's a fallacy to say that hillary voters will be moved to vote for mcsame/panderin. anyone who votes for that ticket is no democrat, and never was, so i say good riddance.
The dems sure are all saying this...wonder if they're scared or really believe it?
carville? that's the best you can do?? fuck that alien moron...anyone who sticks his dick into mary matalin is no friend of mine!
and, ooh, it's 2 times? wow, that seals the deal...they're old buddies!
mcsame/panderin '08!!!
That was actually a joke...Carville said your same line yesterday and the other guy...(the guy that was the host for The Mole...can't remember his name) corrected him.
Yep, it's a whopping 2 times...I agree it's nto much difference..I was joking.
it's a fallacy to say that hillary voters will be moved to vote for mcsame/panderin. anyone who votes for that ticket is no democrat, and never was, so i say good riddance.
Do you think that only dems supported Hillary? There are plenty of independants that supported Hillary and they will be more likely to vote for McCain if the gender issue is importnant to them.
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You could say the same thing about Obama's story. Interracial child whose father abandons him who makes good and goes to Ivy League school and eventually runs for president.
I mean Palin has already achieved point 1 of Obama's energy plan. She already has implemented a windfall profit tax on oil corporations in Alaska and given rebates back to her residents.
I don't see what Obama has done other than be an excellent campaigner and an excellent orator that makes him presidential material.
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I'm glad someone else caught that. I swear everytime EV sings 'No More' while supporting Obama all I can think is, "Pro War"
It fucking disgusts me.
Anyhoo - I'm impressed with the life story of Governor Palin. What a Cougar, eh?
She is strong and admirable. However, she and I share very different social views.
This type of person is an enigma I have yet to figure out. They are smart in many respects, people you could look up to if it weren't for their baffling views on science and social issues.
I don't understand creationists (is she a young earth creationist? - ya, it matters to me) nor do I understand die hard pro-lifers.
She does seem to walk the talk and I have a level of respect for that. I like when people are VERY CLEAR about where they stand.
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Great post. Mirrors my views exactly (even though you and I are probably very different politically). I don't understand how people can think her Lifetime Network movie is any different than Obama's. I admire both of them for coming from modest means, and in relatelively little time becoming very influential. I am at odds with most of both of their politics, but their stories are compelling.
Possibly similar to the way Obama sleazed his way into the Illinois senate I imagine. It is called politics.
Once again pure neocon bullshit spewing from your keyboard. It's like 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.
Obama never suggested invading Pakistan and you know it. He simply said he wouldn't be adverse to following the Taliban and Bin Laden through the mountains of Afghanistan over the border into Pakistan. And if Bush hadn't been such a pussy, maybe we would have caught Bin Laden by now. Spin it how ever you want to though. No one with any common sense pays much attention to anything you post anyway
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
He played the sleasy politics game. In a primary he challenged ballots and had all of his opponents disqualified. So I'm sure he did win rather easily.
It will be interesting to see if you are right about a landslide. That kind of self-assured thinking will probably lead to another fucked up Democrat presidential race. When was the last time the Dems won the presidency in a landslide?
FYI, that's factually wrong.
1984 Democratic ticket, Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro VP. They lost to Ronald Reagan.
Is that the info that's going around in American media??!! That McCain choice is historical?!!?!!!
P.S. re: her looks, she was Miss Wasilla and Miss Alaska runner-up.
That's interesting.
Why do you find it insulting?
While it strenghtens the fundamentalist conservative base, this choice also elimates the Republican Party line of attack against Obama on the issue of experience (she was mayor of a small town of 6,000 and gov of Alaskan for over a year, and I believe Alaska is one of the smallest state demographically), including foreign policy.
On the flipside, McCain's choice leaves the ticket exposed on the economy issue. Neither of them have any acknowledge experience in this field, and it's a critical issue in the election. Or it should be considering the current economic climate.
Yes, but it was strategically very well played. Whether it works in the long term, i.e. Nov 4th, we'll see.
I'm not so sure it is so transparent to many Americans, sadly.
The winner that year was a moose.
Yawn.
Yeah - you would have supported most of his other choices, right?
You'd have come up with a negative spin on anyone he chose.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
FYI, factually she was correct.
The OP said she was the first "GOP" VP. Clearly talking about the 1st Republican female running mate. Not the 1st overall.
Sorry, I was up a little too late....
Yes I would do HER......in the same chair Bill got a BJ.
I ain't a neo-con. I eat neo-cons for breakfast. I'm opposed to this war on turr and the war in Iraq. And I would deport neo-cons just as quickly as I'd deport immigrants.
So...invading Pakistan. Pakistan is our ally right now. WHy the hell would we "follow the Taliban and Bin Laden" into the lands of an ally? Our ally can deal with Bin Laden. That STILL shows Obama's lack of judgment because you DON'T send your military into the lands of your ally. That's just plain stupid and even the biggest leftist scum agree with me on that.
The best thing to do is to change our foreign policy and our support for Israel. The savages over there hate us because of our support for the Jews' murdering in Israel and our imperialist tone.
We need to accept our losses and change direction - become more inwardly focused and send the foreigners packing.
Hey, I probably hate Bush more than you.
But I don't give a fuck whether he catches Bin Laden or not. Bin Laden's life is inconsequential, just as most of the people who live in the middle east.
The bottom line is: I don't want anything to do with them. I want my country to become energy independent so we don't have to deal with the middle east anymore.
-Enoch Powell
"Sarah Palin, a commercial fisherman from Wasilla, told her husband on Tuesday she was driving to Anchorage to shop at Costco. Instead, she headed straight for Ivana.
And there, at J.C. Penney's cosmetic department, was Ivana, the former Mrs. Donald Trump, sitting at a table next to a photograph of herself. She wore a light-colored pantsuit and pink fingernail polish. Her blonde hair was coiffed in a bouffant French twist.
''We want to see Ivana,'' said Palin, who admittedly smells like salmon for a large part of the summer, ''because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture.''
--Anchorage Daily News
"Some of my friends sit around every evening and they worry about the times ahead,
But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference and the promise of an early bed..."-- Elvis Costello
My bad - missed the GOP bit.
But you didnt find it "transparent & shallow" when Obama preaching "change" picked a senator that is "old & white" to target the older white population?
I think that both candidates are listening to the news reports and are picking people that they think will get them elected. That's playing politics!
Palin fits the mold of what McCain needs to help him along. A young woman to get the Hillary votes away from Obama. Biden, for the experience factor.
Will it work? Election day will tell.
I would like to see several debates between the VP-hopefuls.
I'll say it...I think you are too sensative and nothing he did would have pleased you anyhow. People just look for ways to be offended.
Nice to see those with an "open mind" simply end up spouting dem. talking points..."McSame"??? It's just stupid.
1. In 1968 Richard Nixon chose Spiro Agnew as running mate, and in 1988 George Bush Sr. chose Dan Quayle. Both Agnew and Quayle were criticized as being too young, unknown, and inexperienced for the position as compared to their Democratic counterparts. Both Nixon and Bush won their elections.
2. McCain choosing Palin will gain him more female votes including Hillary supporters. There are still plenty of "pissed-off at Barack" Hillary supporters who didn't like him during the democratic primary wars and now probably don't like him even more because he had the opportunity to pick Hillary as a running mate and he instead chose Joe Biden.
3. McCain still has the high ground on the experience argument. This is a PRESIDENTIAL election, not a Vice-Presidential election. Camparing Palin's inexperience to Obama's is moot. Obama is running aginst McCain, not Palin.
4. The McCain is "too old" and Palin is now "one heartbeat away from the presidency" concern is far-fetched. Ronald Reagan was 70 was he was elected president, he was shot in a failed assassination attempt, and most-likey started to develop Alzheimers disease while in office, and he lived through 2 terms.
With that being said, I don't think Palin was the best choice for McCain. I think he would've been better off with Mitt Romney or Tom Ridge, just as Obama would've been better off with Hillary or Tim Kaine. Overall, I think McCain's choice was more advantageous than Obama's. Gender aside, Palin brings a freshness with a non-washington bullshit feel. Plus he appeased to the evangelical, conservative, 2nd Amendment republican crowd that were reluctant to support him. Aside from foreign policy experience, I don't see how Joe Biden will help Obama. He's notortiously liberal, has no military experience, was busted in a plagerism scandal when he ran for president in 1988, and he's not going to bring in any voters that Obama didn't already have. Obama needs to court the fiscally conservative democrats (Reagan Democrats) and the undecided and independant voters. Joe Biden won't do that for him.
Right, owning a passport is the open door to experience...:rolleyes:
And presumably, you own a passport so you have experience.
-Enoch Powell
Well then, YOUR phrase is annoying.
And no they aren't check your facts...he met her 2 times...you listen to too much Carville.
Once again, more wrong facts...she couls most certainly have gone to Canada without a passport.
Now you need one for flying in...I don't think you need one for driving in yet.
The dems sure are all saying this...wonder if they're scared or really believe it?
That was actually a joke...Carville said your same line yesterday and the other guy...(the guy that was the host for The Mole...can't remember his name) corrected him.
Yep, it's a whopping 2 times...I agree it's nto much difference..I was joking.
Do you think that only dems supported Hillary? There are plenty of independants that supported Hillary and they will be more likely to vote for McCain if the gender issue is importnant to them.