I completely agree with you. I wasn't trying to suggest that the selection of Palin locks up the election for McCain, I just think it shores up a big chunk of the party that he was unable to capture. Since he has throw the conservative wing of the party a bone, I agree with you that he now needs to focus his efforts on the independents. He has spent too much time the last few years right up W's ass. It is time for him to extract himself, get cleaned up, and reintroduce himself to the independents he seems to have abandoned.
Well, it seems (at least to me) that Biden was a direct response to independents who may have been wary to pull the lever earlier due to his lack of traditional Washington experience. What does Palin do for McCain with independents?
She's exceptionally pretty. Hot, even! With 5 kids! I think that factored into it. "ooh people will vote for the hot chick." I don't think it was an act of desperation. It was meant to get attention, and in that alone it succeeded.
I hear what people are saying about how he was going for the 'hilary vote' but honestly I think he was trying to be more 'flashy,' like 'oh Obama made history last night, I'm going to make history today,'
it's historical that she is the first female GOP VP candidate. That's what I was thinking when I saw it.
I support women in general being in high level positions such as she is, I find that to be impressive, but I don't agree with any of her beliefs.
Attention the RNC now has but there's 60+ days to goe till election day this attention spike will fade and fade quickly.
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She's pro-life, pro-NRA and thought Hillary was a whiner. The only people who will support her are the Hillaryis44 brigade, and they're just the same three freeper blokes pretending to be women.
exactly....well i don't know, but just agreeing with the idea.
thing is, i've already read a few times over on this board about women going with women...simply b/c they are women...and i am thinking, wtf?! seriously. it IS insulting! i've said it a few times over on this board, but i am saying it again: if one TRULY was a hillary supporter, there is NO way in this world one would now support mccain simply b/c he chose a female VP. beyond being of the same gender, they have NOTHING in common politically....so really..........pointless to compare/assume...yikes.....
She's a pro-life supporter with five kids. Hardly an Angela Davis.
it interests me to consider. 5 kids.....young? i haven't looked into it. i AM a believer in a woman being able to do just about anything a man can, and ably....but in such a situation i do wonder...is it wise? IF she were to make her way to the presidency, can she balance it all? could anyone? i would certainly be the last person to hold a family 'against' anyone.....but i do wonder. also why i think many candidates are older, not so many young children.....and yes, the 'double-standard' of the wife takes care of the kids, and that IS usally the case with political couples. not saying it's right, just sayin'. so i hope her husband would at the very least be primary care-giver/househusband while she was VP. no matter what, it's a LOT to take on and consider.
eh, i hope it remians a non-issue...that mccain/palin never step foot in the white house, except to visit.
exactly....well i don't know, but just agreeing with the idea.
thing is, i've already read a few times over on this board about women going with women...simply b/c they are women...and i am thinking, wtf?! seriously. it IS insulting! i've said it a few times over on this board, but i am saying it again: if one TRULY was a hillary supporter, there is NO way in this world one would now support mccain simply b/c he chose a female VP. beyond being of the same gender, they have NOTHING in common politically....so really..........pointless to compare/assume...yikes.....
Yerp. And the strong independent Republican women who vote for her will do so because their husbands danged well toldum to.
Yerp. And the strong independent Republican women who vote for her will do so because their husbands danged well toldum to.
well that descriptor is entirely a conundrum to me.....and i said that elsewhere too. palin pisses me off, as a woman. it IS my own personal issue, she can certainly believe and support whatever she wants...it just seems at odds with being a 'strong independent woman'....but yea, another issue, and my own.
I think it's insulting that Obama chose to run for the presidency.
Well, like him or not Obama ran and we voted him in as the Democratic nominee. No one voted in Palin, so the consequences of this decision rest with McCain and McCain alone, and it's going to show the faults in his judgment and the vapidity of his message.
Well, like him or not Obama ran and we voted him in as the Democratic nominee. No one voted in Palin, so the consequences of this decision rest with McCain and McCain alone, and it's going to show the faults in his judgment and the vapidity of his message.
Talk about vapidity, Obama's speeches are as evanescent as the summer breeze.
He has no plan, and he will destroy this country.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
I agree. It was a political decision when it should have been a decision based on anything but... It is an insult to women, but one that should be expected from the GOP.
Palin was well-respected much before she became the VP pick. Plenty of Republican insiders viewed her as a solid governor.
It's not like McCain just chose her because she's a woman. She's one of the best stories in the party, and she's got solid conservative credentials. McCain's been struggling with the Right, and nominating Palin was his way of winning them over.
James Dobson just signed onto McCain's campaign because of this nomination.
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Talk about vapidity, Obama's speeches are as evanescent as the summer breeze.
He has no plan, and he will destroy this country.
It's already pretty destroyed by guess who, now it needs to be bandaged up and to have it's deep wounds healed. The question is can Obama be the man to fix or can anyone?
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I think it will, as long as the Dems commit to showing the Hillary hold-outs just how strikingly *different* the two women are.
i would like to think that any hillary 'hold-outs' are intelligent enough to see things as they are. just putting another female on the ticket, any female...ain't gonna do it. i would hazard a guess and imagine most hillary supporters actually CARE about women's issues, amongst many other issues...and palin is NOT the candidate of choice to support that, ever...not by a long-shot. strikingly...different....HELL YEA!
Talk about vapidity, Obama's speeches are as evanescent as the summer breeze.
He has no plan, and he will destroy this country.
Way to not respond to anything I said.
And if you are honestly trying to tell me that this was not a response to Clinton not being on the Democratic ticket, you're deluding yourself. But you seem to be pretty good at that.
this woman to try to attract the women that voted for Hillary.
It's as if he thinks "One woman is as good as the next." As if he doesn't realize that people voted for Hillary because they also thought she was a good candidate!
It's maddening!!!
Considering a couple of the other women who were supposedly on McCain's short list, I'm not surprised. Carly Fiorina and Ann Veneman. With Carly, you have to deal with the baggage of her complete failure of management at HP. Along with here complete lack of governmental experience. Veneman served as Shrub's Secretary of Agriculture during his first term and was so completely hated by the Red State ag community that the only thing which saved her from being shown the door well before the first term was up was... a diagnosis of breast cancer.
I think McCain was looking for a woman, any woman, to fill the ticket. I'm just surprised he picked Palin, an ALASKA Republican. Which brings us back to Sen. Ted Stevens... currently facing ethics charges... which brings us to Sen. Lisa Murkowski... also facing ethics charges... which brings us back to Lisa's father Frank, the former governor of Alaska (gee, wonder how Lisa got the Senator gig). Which brings us back full circle to how Sarah Palin, with such little experience became governor of Alaska in the first place.
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i would like to think that any hillary 'hold-outs' are intelligent enough to see things as they are. just putting another female on the ticket, any female...ain't gonna do it. i would hazard a guess and imagine most hillary supporters actually CARE about women's issues, amongst many other issues...and palin is NOT the candidate of choice to support that, ever...not by a long-shot. strikingly...different....HELL YEA!
I think there will be a small percentage that feel so robbed by Clinton's loss that they won't vote for Obama. But, I don't believe they'll become enthusiastic supporters of McCain simply because he chose someone equipped with a uterus.
I think you're right that the strongest Clinton supporters are willing to educate themselves and make an informed decision.
I think there will be a small percentage that feel so robbed by Clinton's loss that they won't vote for Obama. But, I don't believe they'll become enthusiastic supporters of McCain simply because he chose someone equipped with a uterus.
I think you're right that the strongest Clinton supporters are willing to educate themselves and make an informed decision.
hey, it's their choice to make. i support that. just thinking that if the issues that hillary supported were truly important to them there is NO way in hell they could even consider mccain. i would see most, perhaps slowly, turning towards obama...and hell, even nader.....a write-in....just NOT mccain. it seems so counter-intuitive i cannot imagine the choice at ALL.
i would see most, perhaps slowly, turning towards obama...and hell, even nader.....a write-in....just NOT mccain. it seems so counter-intuitive i cannot imagine the choice at ALL.
Exactly. It was counter-intuitive before his VP pick, and now even more so, based on the insulting nature of this choice. Women are not interchangeable pod people.
It's like what she said in her speech the other night. Were you in it for me? Or because of the issues at stake? (Obviously paraphrasing here...lol.) Hopefully, that'll ring true. I feel that it will, even if it takes a little time.
exactly....well i don't know, but just agreeing with the idea.
thing is, i've already read a few times over on this board about women going with women...simply b/c they are women...and i am thinking, wtf?! seriously. it IS insulting! i've said it a few times over on this board, but i am saying it again: if one TRULY was a hillary supporter, there is NO way in this world one would now support mccain simply b/c he chose a female VP. beyond being of the same gender, they have NOTHING in common politically....so really..........pointless to compare/assume...yikes.....
Suddenly McCain is reminding me of some of the people on this very board who seem to think that when women support other women (especially politically) it's just because they're both women, regardless of merit. :rolleyes:
it interests me to consider. 5 kids.....young? i haven't looked into it. i AM a believer in a woman being able to do just about anything a man can, and ably....but in such a situation i do wonder...is it wise? IF she were to make her way to the presidency, can she balance it all? could anyone? i would certainly be the last person to hold a family 'against' anyone.....but i do wonder. also why i think many candidates are older, not so many young children.....and yes, the 'double-standard' of the wife takes care of the kids, and that IS usally the case with political couples. not saying it's right, just sayin'. so i hope her husband would at the very least be primary care-giver/househusband while she was VP. no matter what, it's a LOT to take on and consider.
eh, i hope it remians a non-issue...that mccain/palin never step foot in the white house, except to visit.
I heard today that she has a son in the military who's about to go to war, a 7-year-old daughter, and a son just born in April who has Down Syndrome. I didn't hear about the other two.
I agree. It was a political decision when it should have been a decision based on anything but... It is an insult to women, but one that should be expected from the GOP.
Obviously he's more concerned with doing whatever he thinks will win him the election than with doing what's best for this country.
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Wow the whining is running deep today. She is a threat and now people are running scared. Most probably thought it was going to be Romney, and I think she is a pleasant surprise. At least now nobody can question her lack of experience.
hey, it's their choice to make. i support that. just thinking that if the issues that hillary supported were truly important to them there is NO way in hell they could even consider mccain. i would see most, perhaps slowly, turning towards obama...and hell, even nader.....a write-in....just NOT mccain. it seems so counter-intuitive i cannot imagine the choice at ALL.
I'm a registered independent and voted Libertarian the last two elections and probably will again, but Palin does intrigue me.
The thing is I know she stands for very different issues than Hillary, but there will be a segment of Hillary voters that will align with Palin. Here's why:
Unlike Hillary who rode Bill's coattails and her time as first lady to become a Senator. I know people don't want to admit this, but if Bill never was president would Hillary be a Senator right now or been a viable candidate for president?
Palin went from being working mom PTA member that was part of a union, to running and winning an office in city council for four years, to being a mayor for 6 years, to ultimately be a governor. Now if that is not the American dream for a lot of working moms I don't know what is.
Her story is going to appeal to a lot of working moms especially when the Republicans tell it at the RNC next week.
I'm a registered independent and voted Libertarian the last two elections and probably will again, but Palin does intrigue me.
The thing is I know she stands for very different issues than Hillary, but there will be a segment of Hillary voters that will align with Palin. Here's why:
Unlike Hillary who rode Bill's coattails and her time as first lady to become a Senator. I know people don't want to admit this, but if Bill never was president would Hillary be a Senator right now or been a viable candidate for president?
Palin went from being working mom PTA member that was part of a union, to running and winning an office in city council for four years, to being a mayor for 6 years, to ultimately be a governor. Now if that is not the American dream for a lot of working moms I don't know what is.
Her story is going to appeal to a lot of working moms especially when the Republicans tell it at the RNC next week.
Regardless of her stances on various issues, to rise from being a PTA member and ascending up the political ladder to eventually be selected for the second highest political office in the country in that short amount of time, it is definitely impressive.
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Regardless of her stances on various issues, to rise from being a PTA member and ascending up the political ladder to eventually be selected for the second highest political office in the country in that short amount of time, it is definitely impressive.
Yeah, it'll make a great movie of the week for the Lifetime Channel. You know, the difficult decision of of keeping the baby, even after prenatal genetic testing show Downs Syndrome... the difficulties of being a working mother fighting against gender roles. You know, that sort of thing. Excuse me while I go vomit!!! Sarah Palin makes a great story which can be marketed and spun to every soccer mom and housewife in the country. It doesn't make her Vice President material, though.
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Well, it seems (at least to me) that Biden was a direct response to independents who may have been wary to pull the lever earlier due to his lack of traditional Washington experience. What does Palin do for McCain with independents?
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Would you do there?
Attention the RNC now has but there's 60+ days to goe till election day this attention spike will fade and fade quickly.
Peace
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exactly....well i don't know, but just agreeing with the idea.
thing is, i've already read a few times over on this board about women going with women...simply b/c they are women...and i am thinking, wtf?! seriously. it IS insulting! i've said it a few times over on this board, but i am saying it again: if one TRULY was a hillary supporter, there is NO way in this world one would now support mccain simply b/c he chose a female VP. beyond being of the same gender, they have NOTHING in common politically....so really..........pointless to compare/assume...yikes.....
also this:
it interests me to consider. 5 kids.....young? i haven't looked into it. i AM a believer in a woman being able to do just about anything a man can, and ably....but in such a situation i do wonder...is it wise? IF she were to make her way to the presidency, can she balance it all? could anyone? i would certainly be the last person to hold a family 'against' anyone.....but i do wonder. also why i think many candidates are older, not so many young children.....and yes, the 'double-standard' of the wife takes care of the kids, and that IS usally the case with political couples. not saying it's right, just sayin'. so i hope her husband would at the very least be primary care-giver/househusband while she was VP. no matter what, it's a LOT to take on and consider.
eh, i hope it remians a non-issue...that mccain/palin never step foot in the white house, except to visit.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
-Enoch Powell
Yerp. And the strong independent Republican women who vote for her will do so because their husbands danged well toldum to.
well that descriptor is entirely a conundrum to me.....and i said that elsewhere too. palin pisses me off, as a woman. it IS my own personal issue, she can certainly believe and support whatever she wants...it just seems at odds with being a 'strong independent woman'....but yea, another issue, and my own.
spousal political influence is boggling to me.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Well, like him or not Obama ran and we voted him in as the Democratic nominee. No one voted in Palin, so the consequences of this decision rest with McCain and McCain alone, and it's going to show the faults in his judgment and the vapidity of his message.
Talk about vapidity, Obama's speeches are as evanescent as the summer breeze.
He has no plan, and he will destroy this country.
-Enoch Powell
I think it will, as long as the Dems commit to showing the Hillary hold-outs just how strikingly *different* the two women are.
It's not like McCain just chose her because she's a woman. She's one of the best stories in the party, and she's got solid conservative credentials. McCain's been struggling with the Right, and nominating Palin was his way of winning them over.
James Dobson just signed onto McCain's campaign because of this nomination.
-Enoch Powell
It's already pretty destroyed by guess who, now it needs to be bandaged up and to have it's deep wounds healed. The question is can Obama be the man to fix or can anyone?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
i would like to think that any hillary 'hold-outs' are intelligent enough to see things as they are. just putting another female on the ticket, any female...ain't gonna do it. i would hazard a guess and imagine most hillary supporters actually CARE about women's issues, amongst many other issues...and palin is NOT the candidate of choice to support that, ever...not by a long-shot. strikingly...different....HELL YEA!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Way to not respond to anything I said.
And if you are honestly trying to tell me that this was not a response to Clinton not being on the Democratic ticket, you're deluding yourself. But you seem to be pretty good at that.
Considering a couple of the other women who were supposedly on McCain's short list, I'm not surprised. Carly Fiorina and Ann Veneman. With Carly, you have to deal with the baggage of her complete failure of management at HP. Along with here complete lack of governmental experience. Veneman served as Shrub's Secretary of Agriculture during his first term and was so completely hated by the Red State ag community that the only thing which saved her from being shown the door well before the first term was up was... a diagnosis of breast cancer.
I think McCain was looking for a woman, any woman, to fill the ticket. I'm just surprised he picked Palin, an ALASKA Republican. Which brings us back to Sen. Ted Stevens... currently facing ethics charges... which brings us to Sen. Lisa Murkowski... also facing ethics charges... which brings us back to Lisa's father Frank, the former governor of Alaska (gee, wonder how Lisa got the Senator gig). Which brings us back full circle to how Sarah Palin, with such little experience became governor of Alaska in the first place.
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I think there will be a small percentage that feel so robbed by Clinton's loss that they won't vote for Obama. But, I don't believe they'll become enthusiastic supporters of McCain simply because he chose someone equipped with a uterus.
I think you're right that the strongest Clinton supporters are willing to educate themselves and make an informed decision.
hey, it's their choice to make. i support that. just thinking that if the issues that hillary supported were truly important to them there is NO way in hell they could even consider mccain. i would see most, perhaps slowly, turning towards obama...and hell, even nader.....a write-in....just NOT mccain. it seems so counter-intuitive i cannot imagine the choice at ALL.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Exactly. It was counter-intuitive before his VP pick, and now even more so, based on the insulting nature of this choice. Women are not interchangeable pod people.
It's like what she said in her speech the other night. Were you in it for me? Or because of the issues at stake? (Obviously paraphrasing here...lol.) Hopefully, that'll ring true. I feel that it will, even if it takes a little time.
Suddenly McCain is reminding me of some of the people on this very board who seem to think that when women support other women (especially politically) it's just because they're both women, regardless of merit. :rolleyes:
I heard today that she has a son in the military who's about to go to war, a 7-year-old daughter, and a son just born in April who has Down Syndrome. I didn't hear about the other two.
Obviously he's more concerned with doing whatever he thinks will win him the election than with doing what's best for this country.
Yup. Which is fine, because it underscores the Dems' "judgment" argument.
-Enoch Powell
phew u made my night:)
I'm a registered independent and voted Libertarian the last two elections and probably will again, but Palin does intrigue me.
The thing is I know she stands for very different issues than Hillary, but there will be a segment of Hillary voters that will align with Palin. Here's why:
Unlike Hillary who rode Bill's coattails and her time as first lady to become a Senator. I know people don't want to admit this, but if Bill never was president would Hillary be a Senator right now or been a viable candidate for president?
Palin went from being working mom PTA member that was part of a union, to running and winning an office in city council for four years, to being a mayor for 6 years, to ultimately be a governor. Now if that is not the American dream for a lot of working moms I don't know what is.
Her story is going to appeal to a lot of working moms especially when the Republicans tell it at the RNC next week.
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Yeah, it'll make a great movie of the week for the Lifetime Channel. You know, the difficult decision of of keeping the baby, even after prenatal genetic testing show Downs Syndrome... the difficulties of being a working mother fighting against gender roles. You know, that sort of thing. Excuse me while I go vomit!!! Sarah Palin makes a great story which can be marketed and spun to every soccer mom and housewife in the country. It doesn't make her Vice President material, though.
—Dorothy Parker
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