I'll say it: I think it's insulting that McCain chose

Purple Hawk

justam wrote:

this woman to try to attract the women that voted for Hillary.

It's as if he thinks "One woman is as good as the next." As if he doesn't realize that people voted for Hillary because they also thought she was a good candidate!

It's maddening!!!

A strong independent woman being nomiated as VP is maddening to you...

but a woman being degraded by her husband throughout her entire adult life, and her taking it, and refusing to stand up for herself b/c of her own political ambitions is not maddening to you?

this vs. a bad ass woman who rolls into her state capitol standing up to the good ole boys not caring what anyone thinks...but standing on what she KNOWS is right

seriously, who do you admire more on a personal level more? who do you think is more independent as a woman? who would you rather have your daughter be? hillary, or palin?

seems like an obvious decision.

FinsburyParkCarrots

Purple Hawk wrote:

A strong independent woman being nomiated as VP

She's a pro-life supporter with five kids. Hardly an Angela Davis.

justam

Purple Hawk wrote:

A strong independent woman being nomiated as VP is maddening to you...

but a woman being degraded by her husband throughout her entire adult life, and her taking it, and refusing to stand up for herself b/c of her own political ambitions is not maddening to you?

this vs. a bad ass woman who rolls into her state capitol standing up to the good ole boys not caring what anyone thinks...but standing on what she KNOWS is right

seriously, who do you admire more on a personal level more? who do you think is more independent as a woman? who would you rather have your daughter be? hillary, or palin?

seems like an obvious decision.

Are you insane?

I wouldn't vote for her because I wouldn't vote for a man that had her beliefs. It's insulting that they are trying to attract Hillary's women JUST BECAUSE SHE'S FEMALE. That's the part I'm angry about.

I'd much rather vote for Hillary because I liked her as a candidate.

jmurray

Take another look at her introduction speech today. When she's speaking and Sen. McCain is standing behind her, is it me or is he totally looking at her arse?

jeffbr

justam wrote:

Are you insane?

I wouldn't vote for her because I wouldn't vote for a man that had her beliefs. It's insulting that they are trying to attract Hillary's women JUST BECAUSE SHE'S FEMALE. That's the part I'm angry about.

I'd much rather vote for Hillary because I liked her as a candidate.

You seem unwilling to consider that there were other factors involved in their choice. She may or may not be attractive to a few Hillary supporters. But she will likely be attractive to the conservative wing of the party that still doesn't completely embrace McCain. She brings some of the evangelicals in with her pro-life position. She brings the 2nd ammendment crowd in, who generally distrust McCain. She brings conservative women to the table. Why you are so fixated on the Hillary aspect is baffling.

Allie

justam wrote:

She is pretty, but so what? Pretty women are a dime a dozen.

It did seem like an act of desperation didn't it? That speech must have frightened him.

She's exceptionally pretty. Hot, even! With 5 kids! I think that factored into it. "ooh people will vote for the hot chick." I don't think it was an act of desperation. It was meant to get attention, and in that alone it succeeded.

I hear what people are saying about how he was going for the 'hilary vote' but honestly I think he was trying to be more 'flashy,' like 'oh Obama made history last night, I'm going to make history today,'

it's historical that she is the first female GOP VP candidate. That's what I was thinking when I saw it.

I support women in general being in high level positions such as she is, I find that to be impressive, but I don't agree with any of her beliefs.

justam

jeffbr wrote:

You seem unwilling to consider that there were other factors involved in their choice. She may or may not be attractive to a few Hillary supporters. But she will likely be attractive to the conservative wing of the party that still doesn't completely embrace McCain. She brings some of the evangelicals in with her pro-life position. She brings the 2nd ammendment crowd in, who generally distrust McCain. She brings conservative women to the table. Why you are so fixated on the Hillary aspect is baffling.

I'm not unwilling to consider the other factors, I'm just having an emotional reaction to what I believe was his main motivation in choosing her rather than the many other people he could have chosen.

digster

jeffbr wrote:

You seem unwilling to consider that there were other factors involved in their choice. She may or may not be attractive to a few Hillary supporters. But she will likely be attractive to the conservative wing of the party that still doesn't completely embrace McCain. She brings some of the evangelicals in with her pro-life position. She brings the 2nd ammendment crowd in, who generally distrust McCain. She brings conservative women to the table. Why you are so fixated on the Hillary aspect is baffling.

There's no way McCain is going to win solely with that base (as there is no way Obama will win with the traditional Democratic base, although he has a much better shot with the large injection of previously unregistered voters. Obama has done well with independents, as had McCain in previous campaigns, and McCain needs to get those if he wants the election. Will Palin bring in independents? Maybe. We'll see.

jeffbr

digster wrote:

There's no way McCain is going to win solely with that base (as there is no way Obama will win with the traditional Democratic base, although he has a much better shot with the large injection of previously unregistered voters. Obama has done well with independents, as had McCain in previous campaigns, and McCain needs to get those if he wants the election. Will Palin bring in independents? Maybe. We'll see.

I completely agree with you. I wasn't trying to suggest that the selection of Palin locks up the election for McCain, I just think it shores up a big chunk of the party that he was unable to capture. Since he has throw the conservative wing of the party a bone, I agree with you that he now needs to focus his efforts on the independents. He has spent too much time the last few years right up W's ass. It is time for him to extract himself, get cleaned up, and reintroduce himself to the independents he seems to have abandoned.

OffHeGoes29

catefrances wrote:

i thought it was transparent and shallow.

Yes...shallow and pedantic

digster

jeffbr wrote:

I completely agree with you. I wasn't trying to suggest that the selection of Palin locks up the election for McCain, I just think it shores up a big chunk of the party that he was unable to capture. Since he has throw the conservative wing of the party a bone, I agree with you that he now needs to focus his efforts on the independents. He has spent too much time the last few years right up W's ass. It is time for him to extract himself, get cleaned up, and reintroduce himself to the independents he seems to have abandoned.

Well, it seems (at least to me) that Biden was a direct response to independents who may have been wary to pull the lever earlier due to his lack of traditional Washington experience. What does Palin do for McCain with independents?

flywallyfly

President Palin .............. frightening.

OffHeGoes29

flywallyfly wrote:

President Palin .............. frightening.

I'd do here

flywallyfly

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I'd do here

Would you do there?

g under p

Allie wrote:

She's exceptionally pretty. Hot, even! With 5 kids! I think that factored into it. "ooh people will vote for the hot chick." I don't think it was an act of desperation. It was meant to get attention, and in that alone it succeeded.

I hear what people are saying about how he was going for the 'hilary vote' but honestly I think he was trying to be more 'flashy,' like 'oh Obama made history last night, I'm going to make history today,'

it's historical that she is the first female GOP VP candidate. That's what I was thinking when I saw it.

I support women in general being in high level positions such as she is, I find that to be impressive, but I don't agree with any of her beliefs.

Attention the RNC now has but there's 60+ days to goe till election day this attention spike will fade and fade quickly.

Peace

decides2dream

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

She's pro-life, pro-NRA and thought Hillary was a whiner. The only people who will support her are the Hillaryis44 brigade, and they're just the same three freeper blokes pretending to be women.

exactly....well i don't know, but just agreeing with the idea.
thing is, i've already read a few times over on this board about women going with women...simply b/c they are women...and i am thinking, wtf?! seriously. it IS insulting! i've said it a few times over on this board, but i am saying it again: if one TRULY was a hillary supporter, there is NO way in this world one would now support mccain simply b/c he chose a female VP. beyond being of the same gender, they have NOTHING in common politically....so really..........pointless to compare/assume...yikes.....


also this:

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

She's a pro-life supporter with five kids. Hardly an Angela Davis.

it interests me to consider. 5 kids.....young? i haven't looked into it. i AM a believer in a woman being able to do just about anything a man can, and ably....but in such a situation i do wonder...is it wise? IF she were to make her way to the presidency, can she balance it all? could anyone? i would certainly be the last person to hold a family 'against' anyone.....but i do wonder. also why i think many candidates are older, not so many young children.....and yes, the 'double-standard' of the wife takes care of the kids, and that IS usally the case with political couples. not saying it's right, just sayin'. so i hope her husband would at the very least be primary care-giver/househusband while she was VP. no matter what, it's a LOT to take on and consider.


eh, i hope it remians a non-issue...that mccain/palin never step foot in the white house, except to visit.

CorporateWhore

I think it's insulting that Obama chose to run for the presidency.

FinsburyParkCarrots

decides2dream wrote:

exactly....well i don't know, but just agreeing with the idea.
thing is, i've already read a few times over on this board about women going with women...simply b/c they are women...and i am thinking, wtf?! seriously. it IS insulting! i've said it a few times over on this board, but i am saying it again: if one TRULY was a hillary supporter, there is NO way in this world one would now support mccain simply b/c he chose a female VP. beyond being of the same gender, they have NOTHING in common politically....so really..........pointless to compare/assume...yikes.....

Yerp. And the strong independent Republican women who vote for her will do so because their husbands danged well toldum to.

decides2dream

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Yerp. And the strong independent Republican women who vote for her will do so because their husbands danged well toldum to.

well that descriptor is entirely a conundrum to me.....and i said that elsewhere too. palin pisses me off, as a woman. it IS my own personal issue, she can certainly believe and support whatever she wants...it just seems at odds with being a 'strong independent woman'....but yea, another issue, and my own.


spousal political influence is boggling to me.

digster

CorporateWhore wrote:

I think it's insulting that Obama chose to run for the presidency.

Well, like him or not Obama ran and we voted him in as the Democratic nominee. No one voted in Palin, so the consequences of this decision rest with McCain and McCain alone, and it's going to show the faults in his judgment and the vapidity of his message.