I thought I'd start a thread on Abortion

Abuskedti

scb wrote:

Christians (Protestants & Catholics) account for 70% of abortions in the U.S.

I don't know about their political affiliations. (Good question though! )

Source?

I am not Pro-Republican, but I don't think it should be illegal.

therefore I am not Pro-choice.

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Abuskedti wrote:

Source?

Jones RK, Darroch JE and Henshaw SK, Patterns in the socioeconomic characteristics of women obtaining abortions in 2000-2001, Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2002, 34(5):226-235.

Abuskedti wrote:

I am not Pro-Republican, but I don't think it should be illegal.

therefore I am not Pro-choice.

I'm confused. You don't think abortion should be illegal (so you do think it should be legal) but you're NOT pro-choice? But wanting it to be legal is the definition of pro-choice. Did I read this wrong?

Abuskedti

scb wrote:

Jones RK, Darroch JE and Henshaw SK, Patterns in the socioeconomic characteristics of women obtaining abortions in 2000-2001, Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2002, 34(5):226-235.



I'm confused. You don't think abortion should be illegal (so you do think it should be legal) but you're NOT pro-choice? But wanting it to be legal is the definition of pro-choice. Did I read this wrong?

I am not pro choice, I don't like the choice.

But I am firmly against laws forcing a woman to carry a baby she doesn't want.

Many other things can be done

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Abuskedti wrote:

I am not pro choice, I don't like the choice.

But I am firmly against laws forcing a woman to carry a baby she doesn't want.

Many other things can be done

But do you think she should HAVE the choice, even if you don't think she should CHOOSE that choice?

Edit: If you're against laws against abortion, then you are for women having that choice. That makes you pro-choice - not pro-abortion - by definition.

Abuskedti

scb wrote:

But do you think she should HAVE the choice, even if you don't think she should CHOOSE that choice?

Edit: If you're against laws against abortion, then you are for women having that choice. That makes you pro-choice - not pro-abortion - by definition.

In today's world

I am not Pro-abortion.. i don't think anyone is.. I will neither crusade for a womans "right" to abort. I do oppose the government legislating this issue.

its is not a simple issue, and therefore I don't like being labeled.

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Abuskedti wrote:

In today's world

I am not Pro-abortion.. i don't think anyone is.. I will neither crusade for a womans "right" to abort. I do oppose the government legislating this issue.

its is not a simple issue, and therefore I don't like being labeled.

Sorry.

El_Kabong

catch22 wrote:

she's right. i've been lurking and reading here for sometime and that dude was one of those conspiracy nuts wasn't he?

didn't you like that girl from bend it like beckham?

writersu

Here is something..........I got this in the email. I am not sure if this is true....looks real. But I think abortion is one thing but this is way different. I think most people know before this time that their child is not normal......right?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

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writersu wrote:

Here is something..........I got this in the email. I am not sure if this is true....looks real. But I think abortion is one thing but this is way different. I think most people know before this time that their child is not normal......right?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

I'm going to need to see some evidence-based information - rather than some random woman on the internet speaking for a website called nohussein.org in a sensationalized video - before I believe this. And if it is true, I'll need to know the other side of the story as well.

writersu

scb wrote:

I'm going to need to see some evidence-based information - rather than some random woman on the internet speaking for a website called nohussein.org in a sensationalized video - before I believe this. And if it is true, I'll need to know the other side of the story as well.

hi there.............

yeah, I am sorry that I didn't check the validity of this before I put it on here.

the person that sent this to me is 100% pro lifer, which , as you know, I am not.

I am sorry for those of you who thought this is bs. forgive me for being so gullible.

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writersu wrote:

hi there.............

yeah, I am sorry that I didn't check the validity of this before I put it on here.

the person that sent this to me is 100% pro lifer, which , as you know, I am not.

I am sorry for those of you who thought this is bs. forgive me for being so gullible.

I don't think you're gullible! :eek: You didn't even say you believed it; you just posted it as food for thought. I gave you my thought.

writersu

scb wrote:

I don't think you're gullible! :eek: You didn't even say you believed it; you just posted it as food for thought. I gave you my thought.

Hey there!

I just really meant that after I posted it, I realized that it might be a bit overboard and that even though I love my friend, she is a total pro lifer, no exceptions at all, just 100% pro life and I respect life but (as you know) I am not a person who can see life as that black and white. I have lived in the grey most of my life and have come to know we can never define life from where we have never or are not currently experiencing it, but all we can do is say, "from where I stand now, this is what I think,". That leaves all respect for others plain to see and it simply says, that I have no basis for saying what another should do if I can't say I have been there......and even then, well, you know.....
and I know you know this about me,but you know how easily we can misunderstand each other here, especially in these heated moments......

but I call you a friend, and I know that YOU KNOW........

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writersu wrote:

Hey there!

I just really meant that after I posted it, I realized that it might be a bit overboard and that even though I love my friend, she is a total pro lifer, no exceptions at all, just 100% pro life and I respect life but (as you know) I am not a person who can see life as that black and white. I have lived in the grey most of my life and have come to know we can never define life from where we have never or are not currently experiencing it, but all we can do is say, "from where I stand now, this is what I think,". That leaves all respect for others plain to see and it simply says, that I have no basis for saying what another should do if I can't say I have been there......and even then, well, you know.....
and I know you know this about me,but you know how easily we can misunderstand each other here, especially in these heated moments......

This is one of the most eloquent and important thoughts I have ever seen expressed on this board. Thank you.

writersu wrote:

but I call you a friend, and I know that YOU KNOW........

Thank you for that. I am happy to call you a friend too.

writersu

scb wrote:

This is one of the most eloquent and important thoughts I have ever seen expressed on this board. Thank you.



Thank you for that. I am happy to call you a friend too.

thanks, there........

SundaySilence

Imagine you are sitting in an invitro-fertilization bank. A mother passes out, is removed by ambulance, but she left her baby. A fire alarm goes off. You have a chance to save 100 fertilized eggs awaiting implant into a uterus or you can save the baby. But you can't do both.

Your next course of action is obvious.
We don't consider the fertilized egg as an equivalent of a born child.

Heineken Helen

SundaySilence wrote:

Imagine you are sitting in an invitro-fertilization bank. A mother passes out, is removed by ambulance, but she left her baby. A fire alarm goes off. You have a chance to save 100 fertilized eggs awaiting implant into a uterus or you can save the baby. But you can't do both.

Your next course of action is obvious.
We don't consider the fertilized egg as an equivalent of a born child.

I'd save the eggs... can probably get more money on the black market for them

writersu... well said

Nice to see an abortion thread... don't think this has been discussed before

Heineken Helen

CorporateWhore wrote:

It doesn't matter where your knowledge comes from, unless you're an expert.

In a court case, expert testimony is only valuable if the person is actually an expert. They provide credentials, not a couple lines on an anonymous message board.

By all means, post more personal information about yourself so everyone can know that you're an expert on this subject. haha

the real world is not held in court! Experiencing something gives one more knowledge on a topic than an expert imo!

SundaySilence

angelica wrote:

When do you consider that "a bit of DNA" becomes an actual person?

angelica wrote:

identical twins also are unique and individual from others and from each other. This is because once they are conceived they have different environmental impressions made on their genetic material creating different outcomes from the beginning.

An egg cell, or a sperm cell, has its own unique DNA.
In animals unfertilized eggs have been manipulated to continue in pregnancy to term and develop into a mature animal.

Your discussion on identical twins brings forth what it is we value, which is the individual personality of human existence. But genetic material is not impressed by its environment. It is activity in the mind that is uniquely individualized by its environment. Brain activity in the cerebral cortex first appears after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Take the other end of the spectrum. An adult without cerebral cortex activity, measured by electroencephalogram (EEG), is brain dead and dead. No matter whether they have any other functioning tissue. If they have a beating heart it can be transplanted into a living person. Whats left is essentially a vacant body which cannot be killed, only unplugged. This is a state similar to an embryo.

SundaySilence

mammasan wrote:

I agree with you but it must be done the right way. Roe v. Wade, as much as the pro-choice side may hate to hear this, is unconstitutional. I'm not saying that it's immoral simply unconstitutional and needs to overturned on that basis alone. With out an amendment to our constitution stating that abortion is legal, a woman's right issue, then it MUST be handled on a state by state basis. As I stated earlier we can't allow the federal government to ignore the Constitution simply because we look favorably on the outcome but complain about it when we don't.

Rights are unalienable, powers are granted. No where in the constitution is the government granted power over reproductive decisions.

writersu

SundaySilence wrote:

Imagine you are sitting in an invitro-fertilization bank. A mother passes out, is removed by ambulance, but she left her baby. A fire alarm goes off. You have a chance to save 100 fertilized eggs awaiting implant into a uterus or you can save the baby. But you can't do both.

Your next course of action is obvious.
We don't consider the fertilized egg as an equivalent of a born child.

wow. good point.......