I thought I'd start a thread on Abortion

chopitdown

peacegirl wrote:

The abortion issue comes down to a sex education issue in my opinion. By the way, I am pro-choice

If the focus was on educating everyone about safe sex then perhaps there would be less unwanted pregancies and in turn, fewer abortions.

Although, I am realistic and realize that b/c of religious views this is somewhat wishful thinking

the avg age for an abortion is somewhere around 20 depending on which study you look at. (and the group with the highest rate is around 20-24) You're going to try and say that a woman or man by that age isn't aware of sex education and safe sex practices? Education doesn't mean that people follow the education. I agree that if people use safe sex the number will go down; however, people don't. It comes down to responsibility to make the right choice, imo.

in_hiding79

There is something out there called "the morning after pill"....just use it before anything happens in case you had a one night stand or the condom breaks or whatever....

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chopitdown wrote:

the avg age for an abortion is somewhere around 20 depending on which study you look at. (and the group with the highest rate is around 20-24) You're going to try and say that a woman or man by that age isn't aware of sex education and safe sex practices? Education doesn't mean that people follow the education. I agree that if people use safe sex the number will go down; however, people don't. It comes down to responsibility to make the right choice, imo.

People can't use the education they have if they don't have access.

Jeanie

http://news.smh.com.au/national/abortion-bill-tabled-in-vic-parliament-20080819-3xv9.html

angelica

Medicated-Genius wrote:

This is, of itself, the root of the debate. Depending on which side of the debate you sit, the unborn cannot survive outside the womans body until several months after conception. Until that time, it is part of the mothers body and is produced from her very own cells.

And yet it has it's own individual DNA, completely independent of it's mother.

Abuskedti

angelica wrote:

And yet it has it's own individual DNA, completely independent of it's mother.

DNA has independance?

know1

searchlightsoul wrote:

Basically its about imposing christan values on other people under the guise of them being "conservative" party policies.

So abortion is only opposed by Christians? Get real.

know1

peacegirl wrote:

The abortion issue comes down to a sex education issue in my opinion. By the way, I am pro-choice

If the focus was on educating everyone about safe sex then perhaps there would be less unwanted pregancies and in turn, fewer abortions.

Although, I am realistic and realize that b/c of religious views this is somewhat wishful thinking

I disagree. In my opinion, having real consequences to pregnancy (i.e. you have to have the child) would do a lot to slow down the unwanted pregnancies..

know1

scb wrote:

People can't use the education they have if they don't have access.

Sure - they don't have access to a condom, the pill, withdrawal, etc., etc., etc., but they apparently have access to an abortion...

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know1 wrote:

In my opinion, having real consequences to pregnancy (i.e. you have to have the child) would do a lot to slow down the unwanted pregnancies..

I'm interested in seeing some data to support this idea.

You can't really make everyone carry their pregnancies to term anyway. Abortions are common whether they are legal or not.

Also, if people truly value children, they shouldn't want them to be brought into the world for punitive purposes.

Medicated-Genius

angelica wrote:

And yet it has it's own individual DNA, completely independent of it's mother.

This is also true. Like I said, depends which side of the fence you sit on.

keeponrockin

I can't for the life of me figure out why people still think abstinence only sex education is a good idea.

Vedderlution_Baby

know1 wrote:

Sure - they don't have access to a condom, the pill, withdrawal, etc., etc., etc., but they apparently have access to an abortion...

everyone knows what an abortion is. whether you're for it, or against it, you know what it is. Not everyone knows about the effectiveness of safe sex devices. Some abstinence only programs use lies that basically make the contraceptives look useless. And most of the time, hormones are stronger than a pledge so when the kids decide to have sex either they don't have condoms or look at it as "What the hell. They barely work anyway."

angelica

Abuskedti wrote:

DNA has independance?

I refer to that the unborn has the DNA of a unique, separate human being.

It does not share it's mother's DNA.

Medicated-Genius

angelica wrote:

I refer to that the unborn has the DNA of a unique, separate human being.

It does not share it's mother's DNA.

Well, technically it does. It has 50% of its Mothers DNA, and 50% of its Fathers.

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Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

know1 wrote:

Sure - they don't have access to a condom, the pill, withdrawal, etc., etc., etc., but they apparently have access to an abortion..

everyone knows what an abortion is. whether you're for it, or against it, you know what it is. Not everyone knows about the effectiveness of safe sex devices. Some abstinence only programs use lies that basically make the contraceptives look useless. And most of the time, hormones are stronger than a pledge so when the kids decide to have sex either they don't have condoms or look at it as "What the hell. They barely work anyway."

And not everyone knows the ineffectiveness of some contraceptive methods. Hell, it looks like some people even still think the withdrawal method is a good idea!

I totally agree with your point, by the way. Abstinence-only-until-marriage education only undermines efforts to fight unintended pregnancy.

angelica

Medicated-Genius wrote:

Well, technically it does. It has 50% of its Mothers DNA, and 50% of its Fathers.

It has it's own unique individual DNA of a human, that no one ever has or ever will again have. It is not it's mother, or it's father.

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angelica wrote:

It has it's own unique individual DNA of a human, that no one ever has or ever will again have. It is not it's mother, or it's father.

So? If someone else had the same DNA would that make abortion more acceptable? Is it less acceptable for unique DNA to never become an actual person?

Vedderlution_Baby

scb wrote:

And not everyone knows the ineffectiveness of some contraceptive methods. Hell, it looks like some people even still think the withdrawal method is a good idea!

I totally agree with your point, by the way. Abstinence-only-until-marriage education only undermines efforts to fight unintended pregnancy.

Ya know, in my high school sex ed class they made it very, very clear that pulling out was highly ineffective. But ya know, those damn sex ed classes are only about teaching sexual positions, not about diseases, contraceptives, or the advantages of waiting to have sex (Yes, they even taught us about that).

angelica

scb wrote:

So? If someone else had the same DNA would that make abortion more acceptable? Is it less acceptable for unique DNA to never become an actual person?

What I see is that it is an actual person. It's unique and individual, even as it resides temporarily in its mother.