I don't think you're gullible! :eek: You didn't even say you believed it; you just posted it as food for thought. I gave you my thought.
Hey there!
I just really meant that after I posted it, I realized that it might be a bit overboard and that even though I love my friend, she is a total pro lifer, no exceptions at all, just 100% pro life and I respect life but (as you know) I am not a person who can see life as that black and white. I have lived in the grey most of my life and have come to know we can never define life from where we have never or are not currently experiencing it, but all we can do is say, "from where I stand now, this is what I think,". That leaves all respect for others plain to see and it simply says, that I have no basis for saying what another should do if I can't say I have been there......and even then, well, you know.....
and I know you know this about me,but you know how easily we can misunderstand each other here, especially in these heated moments......
but I call you a friend, and I know that YOU KNOW........
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
I just really meant that after I posted it, I realized that it might be a bit overboard and that even though I love my friend, she is a total pro lifer, no exceptions at all, just 100% pro life and I respect life but (as you know) I am not a person who can see life as that black and white. I have lived in the grey most of my life and have come to know we can never define life from where we have never or are not currently experiencing it, but all we can do is say, "from where I stand now, this is what I think,". That leaves all respect for others plain to see and it simply says, that I have no basis for saying what another should do if I can't say I have been there......and even then, well, you know.....
and I know you know this about me,but you know how easily we can misunderstand each other here, especially in these heated moments......
This is one of the most eloquent and important thoughts I have ever seen expressed on this board. Thank you.
Imagine you are sitting in an invitro-fertilization bank. A mother passes out, is removed by ambulance, but she left her baby. A fire alarm goes off. You have a chance to save 100 fertilized eggs awaiting implant into a uterus or you can save the baby. But you can't do both.
Your next course of action is obvious.
We don't consider the fertilized egg as an equivalent of a born child.
Imagine you are sitting in an invitro-fertilization bank. A mother passes out, is removed by ambulance, but she left her baby. A fire alarm goes off. You have a chance to save 100 fertilized eggs awaiting implant into a uterus or you can save the baby. But you can't do both.
Your next course of action is obvious.
We don't consider the fertilized egg as an equivalent of a born child.
I'd save the eggs... can probably get more money on the black market for them
writersu... well said
Nice to see an abortion thread... don't think this has been discussed before
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It doesn't matter where your knowledge comes from, unless you're an expert.
In a court case, expert testimony is only valuable if the person is actually an expert. They provide credentials, not a couple lines on an anonymous message board.
By all means, post more personal information about yourself so everyone can know that you're an expert on this subject. haha
the real world is not held in court! Experiencing something gives one more knowledge on a topic than an expert imo!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
identical twins also are unique and individual from others and from each other. This is because once they are conceived they have different environmental impressions made on their genetic material creating different outcomes from the beginning.
An egg cell, or a sperm cell, has its own unique DNA.
In animals unfertilized eggs have been manipulated to continue in pregnancy to term and develop into a mature animal.
Your discussion on identical twins brings forth what it is we value, which is the individual personality of human existence. But genetic material is not impressed by its environment. It is activity in the mind that is uniquely individualized by its environment. Brain activity in the cerebral cortex first appears after the 20th week of pregnancy.
Take the other end of the spectrum. An adult without cerebral cortex activity, measured by electroencephalogram (EEG), is brain dead and dead. No matter whether they have any other functioning tissue. If they have a beating heart it can be transplanted into a living person. Whats left is essentially a vacant body which cannot be killed, only unplugged. This is a state similar to an embryo.
I agree with you but it must be done the right way. Roe v. Wade, as much as the pro-choice side may hate to hear this, is unconstitutional. I'm not saying that it's immoral simply unconstitutional and needs to overturned on that basis alone. With out an amendment to our constitution stating that abortion is legal, a woman's right issue, then it MUST be handled on a state by state basis. As I stated earlier we can't allow the federal government to ignore the Constitution simply because we look favorably on the outcome but complain about it when we don't.
Rights are unalienable, powers are granted. No where in the constitution is the government granted power over reproductive decisions.
Imagine you are sitting in an invitro-fertilization bank. A mother passes out, is removed by ambulance, but she left her baby. A fire alarm goes off. You have a chance to save 100 fertilized eggs awaiting implant into a uterus or you can save the baby. But you can't do both.
Your next course of action is obvious.
We don't consider the fertilized egg as an equivalent of a born child.
wow. good point.......
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Somehow among all the other bullshit America swallows.... it believes abortion a political and religious issue
I wonder if any of the millions of abortions performed were done on Conservative Republican Christians?
I guess that should a question on the forms you fill out - perhaps that would shed a little light on the hypocracy and further abuse of this difficult situation.
Ok, me here.........
I am one of those people. Have not as an adult had one but I am the conservative you speak of.........and I am not one who thinks that I rally with the pro lifers, so that means that I am not that, do you think? not a CRC?
Could be. And I would love my own little group of people who are a Christian but not a silly person defined by what they believe to be a value that is turned into a judgement. Like for example, the friend of mine that is a blockhead in the whole prolife crap.....she actually told me that I should be a Catholic because it was the "True Faith Of Jesus". OMG!!!!!!!!!! I had to do all I could to not just go off.........stupid ass..........I swear, the Guy was Jewish, HELLO????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that whomever is counted as the next president would do us a great deal of good if we took all the judgemental, close minded assholes in the world, threw them into a room and just nuked it. Like they say, let God sort them out.......
sorry; I was kidding but you know I am right.............
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Hi all,
Corporate Whore, how many men do you really know that are sad about the abortion of their girlfriend/wife whatever. Most of the girls I knew who had these abortions are not even really in actual relationships with the guy. It was just sex.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Hi all,
Corporate Whore, how many men do you really know that are sad about the abortion of their girlfriend/wife whatever. Most of the girls I knew who had these abortions are not even really in actual relationships with the guy. It was just sex.
I agree... if the man is involved and wants the baby well that brings a whole different element into it. If there was a stable relationship there's less chance the girl would feel she needs an abortion anyway. But in those cases the choice should be with the couple, unfortunately it's just the way it is that the final say should be the person who has to carry for 9 months and actually give birth. Not fair on the man but that's how it is.
And, as in su's case, any case I know involved the girl being left on her own.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I agree... if the man is involved and wants the baby well that brings a whole different element into it. If there was a stable relationship there's less chance the girl would feel she needs an abortion anyway. But in those cases the choice should be with the couple, unfortunately it's just the way it is that the final say should be the person who has to carry for 9 months and actually give birth. Not fair on the man but that's how it is.
And, as in su's case, any case I know involved the girl being left on her own.
Thanks, Helen......(how's it going?)
Yeah, I think most young women/women in general would be likely to keep the baby if she had the father of the baby supporting her having a baby. Like it or not, I think more women are into the whole idea as long as the relationship is a good one. That's just based on the people I have known in my life......if any of the guys here are better than the ones I have known, then I truly mean this; good for you as well as your gf.
And if the woman is in a relationship with a guy she is not into, then I think she would be likely to use protection --and a lot of it---no missing any days or depending on him to not spring a leak.......
right??
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
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I don't think you're gullible! :eek: You didn't even say you believed it; you just posted it as food for thought. I gave you my thought.
Hey there!
I just really meant that after I posted it, I realized that it might be a bit overboard and that even though I love my friend, she is a total pro lifer, no exceptions at all, just 100% pro life and I respect life but (as you know) I am not a person who can see life as that black and white. I have lived in the grey most of my life and have come to know we can never define life from where we have never or are not currently experiencing it, but all we can do is say, "from where I stand now, this is what I think,". That leaves all respect for others plain to see and it simply says, that I have no basis for saying what another should do if I can't say I have been there......and even then, well, you know.....
and I know you know this about me,but you know how easily we can misunderstand each other here, especially in these heated moments......
but I call you a friend, and I know that YOU KNOW........
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
This is one of the most eloquent and important thoughts I have ever seen expressed on this board. Thank you.
Thank you for that. I am happy to call you a friend too.
thanks, there........
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Your next course of action is obvious.
We don't consider the fertilized egg as an equivalent of a born child.
writersu... well said
Nice to see an abortion thread... don't think this has been discussed before
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
An egg cell, or a sperm cell, has its own unique DNA.
In animals unfertilized eggs have been manipulated to continue in pregnancy to term and develop into a mature animal.
Your discussion on identical twins brings forth what it is we value, which is the individual personality of human existence. But genetic material is not impressed by its environment. It is activity in the mind that is uniquely individualized by its environment. Brain activity in the cerebral cortex first appears after the 20th week of pregnancy.
Take the other end of the spectrum. An adult without cerebral cortex activity, measured by electroencephalogram (EEG), is brain dead and dead. No matter whether they have any other functioning tissue. If they have a beating heart it can be transplanted into a living person. Whats left is essentially a vacant body which cannot be killed, only unplugged. This is a state similar to an embryo.
Rights are unalienable, powers are granted. No where in the constitution is the government granted power over reproductive decisions.
wow. good point.......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Ok, me here.........
I am one of those people. Have not as an adult had one but I am the conservative you speak of.........and I am not one who thinks that I rally with the pro lifers, so that means that I am not that, do you think? not a CRC?
Could be. And I would love my own little group of people who are a Christian but not a silly person defined by what they believe to be a value that is turned into a judgement. Like for example, the friend of mine that is a blockhead in the whole prolife crap.....she actually told me that I should be a Catholic because it was the "True Faith Of Jesus". OMG!!!!!!!!!! I had to do all I could to not just go off.........stupid ass..........I swear, the Guy was Jewish, HELLO????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that whomever is counted as the next president would do us a great deal of good if we took all the judgemental, close minded assholes in the world, threw them into a room and just nuked it. Like they say, let God sort them out.......
sorry; I was kidding but you know I am right.............
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Corporate Whore, how many men do you really know that are sad about the abortion of their girlfriend/wife whatever. Most of the girls I knew who had these abortions are not even really in actual relationships with the guy. It was just sex.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
And, as in su's case, any case I know involved the girl being left on her own.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Thanks, Helen......(how's it going?)
Yeah, I think most young women/women in general would be likely to keep the baby if she had the father of the baby supporting her having a baby. Like it or not, I think more women are into the whole idea as long as the relationship is a good one. That's just based on the people I have known in my life......if any of the guys here are better than the ones I have known, then I truly mean this; good for you as well as your gf.
And if the woman is in a relationship with a guy she is not into, then I think she would be likely to use protection --and a lot of it---no missing any days or depending on him to not spring a leak.......
right??
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........