I thought I'd start a thread on Abortion

catch22

CorporateWhore wrote:

I'm just using common business rationale. Y'all are the ones claiming that I'm wrong, but yer not using any business models or anything. So I assume there must be some evidence.

All yer doing is playing the "deny deny deny" game. And then you say "No, I'm an expert and I run a self-help program in the basement of the local hospital on Tuesday nights.

haha, everyone does it: they talk up their job like it's big shit...give themselves a big-shot title and tell me I don't know what I'm tawkin' about, and I should just take their word for it. Whatever. OooOOo, on the Pearl Jam message board, I find myself arguing with the AUTHORITY on this subject. haha, please...

I have no reason to believe it is anything more than that. It's big talk, little product. I'm not going to sit here and brag about all of my knowledge about business because I'm just making points. The points should be true regardless of who says them.

That's how educated people converse.

and what points are those? you've made no points. you claim to be some sort of business authority and this is just common sense business. but it isn't when your entire premise on the profitability and functioning is false. which is exactly what the other poster is arguing and you have not made a single true, fact-based point to rebut them. i'd love to see you try.

as to my being a retread, it isn't the case. this post is my proof. your entire tone, unerring conviction of your absolute correctness, and obsession with business models gives you away as a prep-school WASP. virginia eh? william and mary?

CorporateWhore

scb wrote:

Whatever. I know what I'm talking about. I don't have statistics right next to me because I know and live the data so I don't have to constantly refer to it. If I feel like taking the time to dig up exact data, you'll be the first to know.

Whatever, yer the boss.

Thanks for being a big man and quoting my personal info though.

Also, "glorified self-help program"? Seriously? :rolleyes:

Now my manhood is measured by whether I do what you say or not...:rolleyes:

Shouldn't have put it up in the first place, mate.

catch22

CorporateWhore wrote:

I think you chose that sn because I used "catch-22" in one of my posts. I'm honored El Kabong?

it's my favorite novel actually, mr minderbinder.

is el kabong the guy you think i am?

Dylan Stone

CorporateWhore wrote:

haha, everyone does it: they talk up their job like it's big shit...give themselves a big-shot title and tell me I don't know what I'm tawkin' about, and I should just take their word for it. Whatever. OooOOo, on the Pearl Jam message board, I find myself arguing with the AUTHORITY on this subject. haha, please...

Whatever, DUDE.

I happen to know where she works and what she does.

Try to minimize it all you want.

Whatever.....

catch22

scb wrote:

What's 'pwned'? (I guess I'm not big on cyber-speak either. )

Thanks for offering to delete the quote. That's nice of you. Guess it's too late now.

cyber-speak for 'owned.' i assume it was a typo at first, now it's some lame thing teens use to act like they've won. thought it would be right on corporatewhore's level

Vedderlution_Baby

CorporateWhore wrote:

I see you're pretty smart, but obviously not smart enough to cite any evidence for your claims about abortion doctors and the profitability of their industry.

I love how you think yer the fuckin authority on the abortion industry in america because you run a glorified self-help program. Whatever. You need facts to prove what you're saying, not a lot of happytalk about whatever your profession may or may not be. If your work experience is so informative, surely there is a news article, scholarly study, or guttmacher webpage you can cite.

I guess I'm supposed to simply trust you because you have an anecdotal knowledge of the abortion industry in your state, however representative your state happens to be of the overall abortion industry.

She wasn't trying to prove she was the authority on abortion. She was giving an actual reason on why her statements carry more weight than someone without her experience pulling assumptions out of their ass. By the way, why must she be the only one to provide links to articles to back up what she's saying? This whole time you've been trying to get us to believe that doctors perform abortions only for money and the only evidence you have given us is your deductive reasoning which, no offense or anything, isn't exactly the best thing to trust.

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CorporateWhore wrote:

I'm just using common business rationale. Y'all are the ones claiming that I'm wrong, but yer not using any business models or anything. So I assume there must be some evidence.

All yer doing is playing the "deny deny deny" game. And then you say "No, I'm an expert and I run a self-help program in the basement of the local hospital on Tuesday nights.

haha, everyone does it: they talk up their job like it's big shit...give themselves a big-shot title and tell me I don't know what I'm tawkin' about, and I should just take their word for it. Whatever. OooOOo, on the Pearl Jam message board, I find myself arguing with the AUTHORITY on this subject. haha, please...



I have no reason to believe it is anything more than that. It's big talk, little product. I'm not going to sit here and brag about all of my knowledge about business because I'm just making points. The points should be true regardless of who says them.

That's how educated people converse.

For the record, I'm not bragging. You said I don't know what I'm talking about and I said I do. Simple as that. I know about the things I was talking about & I don't speak with any kind of authority about the things I don't know about. Don't question people's knowledge if you don't want to know where it comes from.

CorporateWhore

catch22 wrote:

and what points are those? you've made no points. you claim to be some sort of business authority and this is just common sense business. but it isn't when your entire premise on the profitability and functioning is false. which is exactly what the other poster is arguing and you have not made a single true, fact-based point to rebut them. i'd love to see you try.

as to my being a retread, it isn't the case. this post is my proof. your entire tone, unerring conviction of your absolute correctness, and obsession with business models gives you away as a prep-school WASP. virginia eh? william and mary?

Lollers, not anglo-saxon protestant thanks be to God.

Ooo, your powers of deduction are incredible!! You must be Kabonkers.

As for my business claims, alls ya gotsta do is read 'em smartypants. It's just dang ole' common sense that you can make more money when ya've got economies of scale and yer providing the most common surgical procedure in America.

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catch22 wrote:

cyber-speak for 'owned.' i assume it was a typo at first, now it's some lame thing teens use to act like they've won. thought it would be right on corporatewhore's level

CorporateWhore

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

deductive reasoning...isn't exactly the best thing to trust.

Haha, yeeepp don't trust yer rational mind. The surest path to socialism.

Vedderlution_Baby

CorporateWhore wrote:

Haha, yeeepp don't trust yer rational mind. The surest path to socialism.

I don't have a problem with my rational mind. It's yours that I found to be lacking.

angelica

catch22 wrote:

who said anything about judgment? i've simply been curious as hell about these biased actions of pro-choice clinicians that you kept alluding to. maybe i could learn something. but the more you hedge and evade the more certain i become that you have nothing but meaningless platitudes.

furthermore, you don't NEED to make any points. you choose to make points. you caught my eye because you chose to make certain points, but then ran away from them and tried to change the subject from what pro-choice clinicians do or say that is so biased into some abstract meditation on how humans have biases (gee, thanks for that stunning insight). that, to me, reveals an incredible amount of insecurity in your own positions and opinions and a fear of having to actually defend them. so instead, you use the defense mechanism of claiming that anyone who doesn't understand you has a problem, thus preserving your own egotistical presumption that your communication is flawlessly on point.

I understand that I'm not making the points you'd like me to.

again, your judgments about what I say or don't say, and how you interpret/process that are about you. Thank you for sharing.

CorporateWhore

scb wrote:

For the record, I'm not bragging. You said I don't know what I'm talking about and I said I do. Simple as that. I know about the things I was talking about & I don't speak with any kind of authority about the things I don't know about. Don't question people's knowledge if you don't want to know where it comes from.

It doesn't matter where your knowledge comes from, unless you're an expert.

In a court case, expert testimony is only valuable if the person is actually an expert. They provide credentials, not a couple lines on an anonymous message board.

By all means, post more personal information about yourself so everyone can know that you're an expert on this subject. haha

catch22

CorporateWhore wrote:

Lollers, not anglo-saxon protestant thanks be to God.

Ooo, your powers of deduction are incredible!! You must be Kabonkers.

As for my business claims, alls ya gotsta do is read 'em smartypants. It's just dang ole' common sense that you can make more money when ya've got economies of scale and yer providing the most common surgical procedure in America.

kabonkers?

read what? the point was you have shown no proof that:

1. it is the most common surgical procedure in america

2. there is any economy of scale (which i assume refers to your claims that all abortions take place in clinics that do nothing but abortions by the dozen)

thus, scb's rebutting point 2 by saying this economy of scale does not exist and that doctors do not make so much on this procedure and it does not operate as you believe. regardless of whether you believe her (?) or not, you've provided nothing to support your "points" either.

CorporateWhore

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

I don't have a problem with my rational mind. It's yours that I found to be lacking.

Zzzzzing, driving this thread further into the ground nice one!

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CorporateWhore wrote:

As for my business claims, alls ya gotsta do is read 'em smartypants. It's just dang ole' common sense that you can make more money when ya've got economies of scale and yer providing the most common surgical procedure in America.

1. It's only ONE OF the most common "surgical" procedures.

2. Just because it's common doesn't mean it's a big revenue-generator. It costs much less than many other procedures.

3. In saying it's common it's only being compared with other so-called surgical procedures, so that statement doesn't compare it with prenatal care and childbirth, which are 3 times more common, and which is what we were talking about.

4. It's debatable whether it should be called a surgical procedure.

5. There are also non-"surgical" abortions.

I'm off to dinner...

angelica

catefrances wrote:

nice evasion btw.

Okay, I'll bite...

People can and do become more and more conscious of what they were at one time unconscious of all the time. It depends on intent.

It's easy to see those who intend to justify their agendas, and those who intend to uncover the truth, even if it means they must suspend judgment, grow, and go beyond ego. The intention determines the outcome...the consequences of the choices.

CorporateWhore

catch22 wrote:

kabonkers?

read what? the point was you have shown no proof that:

1. it is the most common surgical procedure in america

2. there is any economy of scale (which i assume refers to your claims that all abortions take place in clinics that do nothing but abortions by the dozen)

thus, scb's rebutting point 2 by saying this economy of scale does not exist and that doctors do not make so much on this procedure and it does not operate as you believe. regardless of whether you believe her (?) or not, you've provided nothing to support your "points" either.

She has the opportunity to provide evidence, at which point I may refute it with my own evidence. She took issue with my point.

catch22

angelica wrote:

I understand that I'm not making the points you'd like me to.

again, your judgments about what I say or don't say, and how you interpret/process that are about you. Thank you for sharing.

sharing? i'm asking, and im asking for examples, not points. you made the points yourself. could you pretty please with cherries on top tell me what these biases are to which you are referring? how am i supposed to try to avoid playing into them if i am not made aware of them?

again, what judgment have i passed on you, aside from asking endlessly that you provide some examples for things you claimed pages and pages ago?

catch22

angelica wrote:

Okay, I'll bite...

People can and do become more and more conscious of what they were at one time unconscious of all the time. It depends on intent.

It's easy to see those who intend to justify their agendas, and those who intend to uncover the truth, even if it means they must suspend judgment, grow, and go beyond ego. The intention determines the outcome...the consequences of the choices.

so the reason you won't provide examples is that you have judged my intent and found it to be wanting?