Many People truly HATE Hilary Clinton

AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
She is not worse than the other politicians. She is at worst just another politician.

I can only conclude she is hated because she is a powerful woman.

The first step is to recognize the problem.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Abuskedti wrote:
    She is not worse than the other politicians. She is at worst just another politician.

    I can only conclude she is hated because she is a powerful woman.

    The first step is to recognize the problem.

    count me in! i hate her because she doesn't give a straight answer to anything. she'll take 2 positions at the same time; depending on who she's talking to. when cornered; she attacks the other candidates. of her own bloody party yet. what about the stuff she stole from the whitehouse when she left? will she "return it if elected?" her big hillarycare project fizzled in the 90's when she realized it couldn't be done. instead of a straight answer; she'll give you a laugh and call for party unity.

    if you'd like more reasons; let me know.
  • I beleive that people who "hate" Hillary also hate her husband Bill and his time in the White House. They also hate the idea of such a strong, independent WOMAN running for president. She is abnormal in their pea brains as she defies their beliefs in what a woman should and should not do - and in this case, a girl should not be running for president, leave that for the regular white guys.

    I say 'Fuck You!' to anyone who hates her. Surely, there are people who disagree with her and for many reasons do not want to vote for her, but to simply HATE Hillary is a sign of deeper social and moral issues and I have no time for such stone-age thinking assholes!

    Sadly, I'm also dismayed that a lot of women don't like her either, and I feel that their prejudice against her also stems from their social indoctrination by this paternalistic society in regards to the political roles of women.

    All I can say is that I'm glad that more people either love, like or 'tolerate' her enough and will vote for her in Nov. '08.
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  • There are some people who have a really unjustified hatred of her, but I'm not sure thati it's only because she is a woman...

    She carries a lot of baggage from Bill's presidency, and she is just too much of a politician. Same as Mitt Romney, she never gives a straight answer, just uses vague, focus group tested language, and will adjust her position depending on the current climate.

    She just has an image problem that she can't shake.... A lot of times, she comes across as a smug and cold person, but hearing people talk that have gotten close to her, personally they say she is a very nice person. I dunno...

    What is funny is how much the right hates her, but she is probably the furthest right of any of the democratic candidates.
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  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    i have no reason to hate her. as for her being woman and trying to become a president then i'd say - go girl!!

    show those cocks how it should be done :D btw i am joking.
  • There are some people who have a really unjustified hatred of her, but I'm not sure thati it's only because she is a woman...

    She carries a lot of baggage from Bill's presidency, and she is just too much of a politician. Same as Mitt Romney, she never gives a straight answer, just uses vague, focus group tested language, and will adjust her position depending on the current climate.

    She just has an image problem that she can't shake.... A lot of times, she comes across as a smug and cold person, but hearing people talk that have gotten close to her, personally they say she is a very nice person. I dunno...

    What is funny is how much the right hates her, but she is probably the furthest right of any of the democratic candidates.

    I agree w/ this 100%. I love Bill, but cannot stand Hillary. Her looking past the primary and getting into general election mode will be her downfall. By doing that and going towards the center she has alienated the left of the Democratic Party, and they'll throw their support behind Obama or Edwards.
  • fanch75fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    What is funny is how much the right hates her, but she is probably the furthest right of any of the democratic candidates.

    Well, that depends on who she is talking to at a particular given moment.
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    I agree with the original post. That is the only conclusion I can come up with for the hatred, I mean absolute hatred, many conservatives have for Hilary. She isn't even a liberal. Her politics are very near center.
  • fanch75 wrote:
    Well, that depends on who she is talking to at a particular given moment.


    This is somewhat true, but I can't think of a single issue where she has come out on left of any of the other democratic candidates. But if you took her comments on foreign policy alone, she could be a republican.

    Every once in a while she throws out these far-fetched proposals like gov't funded 401k accounts just to give the far left something that they want to hear, knowing full well that it will never happen.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Abuskedti wrote:
    She is not worse than the other politicians. She is at worst just another politician.

    I can only conclude she is hated because she is a powerful woman.

    The first step is to recognize the problem.

    Why does this have to come down to using the word "hate" such a strong word to use to discribe views on a person? I myself dislike Hilary and do not intend on voting for her. My vote will go to Dennis Kucinich.

    I hope the hate can eliminated and dislike could be used towards discribing Hilary.

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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    g under p wrote:
    Why does this have to come down to using the word "hate" such a strong word to use to discribe views on a person? I myself dislike Hilary and do not intend on voting for her. My vote will go to Dennis Kucinich.

    I hope the hate can eliminated and dislike could be used towards discribing Hilary.

    Peace

    Maybe you don't hate her, but I happen to view her as hated.

    I am no fan. She's pro-war and has become just another politician. But I still have some agreement with the orginal post. Those of us old enough to remember will remember her being hated from day 1--before Bill even won the 1992 election. Nancy? Barbara? Laura? Not too many people hated them. But Hillary was just hated right off the bat. The only thing I can come up with is that she was the least "June Cleaver" of the bunch. I think America still wants June Cleaver to be the first lady.

    But she's not running for first lady this time. She's running for president. And I'd like to think it's her views and not her gender that are going to end her run. But it may be a bit of both.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    There was a good reason Bill had had interns sucking him off..

    And if that relationship wasn't about power for her, she would have divorced his ass.

    I don't like Hilary.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    There are some people who have a really unjustified hatred of her, but I'm not sure thati it's only because she is a woman...

    She carries a lot of baggage from Bill's presidency, and she is just too much of a politician. Same as Mitt Romney, she never gives a straight answer, just uses vague, focus group tested language, and will adjust her position depending on the current climate.

    She just has an image problem that she can't shake.... A lot of times, she comes across as a smug and cold person, but hearing people talk that have gotten close to her, personally they say she is a very nice person. I dunno...

    What is funny is how much the right hates her, but she is probably the furthest right of any of the democratic candidates.

    yeah, it's why i keep saying i hope she doesn't get the nomination. i'm sure she'd do just as well as any other crappy candidate currently running, but so many people outright HATE her that i dont think she'd ever win. she provokes more backlash than enthusiasm. she does carry a lot of bill baggage too. i've heard she's a very kind person though and there's no doubt she's incredibly intelligent. i just think she's better suited for the senate than the presidency.

    there is something about the clintons. i never understood the hatred of bill by newt and the new right. he was as far right as the dems get. you dont get much further from the commie left than the clintons.
  • I've been sayinng it for years, and its still true: Hillary will never win a presidential election. Too many people dislike her.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    MrSmith wrote:
    I've been sayinng it for years, and its still true: Hillary will never win a presidential election. Too many people dislike her.

    Never say never! We shall see.

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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    whitepants wrote:
    I beleive that people who "hate" Hillary also hate her husband Bill and his time in the White House. They also hate the idea of such a strong, independent WOMAN running for president. She is abnormal in their pea brains as she defies their beliefs in what a woman should and should not do - and in this case, a girl should not be running for president, leave that for the regular white guys.

    .

    i have to disagree. Sure there are some who dislike Hilary for this reason. Most of them are Republicans. There are many others however, who don't like her simply because, lets face it, she isn't very likeable. Personally, i don't care for her. And honestly, as far as presidential leadership is concerned, i had no problem with Bill. Nor do most non-republicans both domestically and abroad. He's actually a pretty popular guy. Many people dislike her DESPITE Bill, not BECAUSE of Bill. Nor do i have problems with her being a strong woman. i would have no problem voting for a woman. Just not THIS woman. There is a huge difference between being a strong woman, and just being a Bitch. Personally, i think Hilary is in the latter category. i don't like her dirty, mudslinging, "oooooooh, i know something bad about the other guy, but i'm not telling... (because i don't really know shit)" type of politics. She's losing her lead and she's flat out skeered. i'm sincerely frightened by the probability of her winning the democratic nomination as it will be yet another case of Democrats shooting themselves in the foot. She has less than a snowballs chance in a general election. She just isn't very likeable. i don't trust her. She's waaaaay to much of a politician. A dirty one at that.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    whitepants wrote:
    I beleive that people who "hate" Hillary also hate her husband Bill and his time in the White House. They also hate the idea of such a strong, independent WOMAN running for president. She is abnormal in their pea brains as she defies their beliefs in what a woman should and should not do - and in this case, a girl should not be running for president, leave that for the regular white guys.

    .

    i might also add that greatly outnumbering the people who dislike Hilary because of Bill or because she a woman, are those who will vote FOR Hillary simply because of Bill and simply because she's a woman. Let's be honest here.
    Her husband and her vagina are actually the two best things she has going for her.
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    i don't hate her, she's just full of shit!
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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    There are some people who have a really unjustified hatred of her, but I'm not sure thati it's only because she is a woman...

    She carries a lot of baggage from Bill's presidency, and she is just too much of a politician. Same as Mitt Romney, she never gives a straight answer, just uses vague, focus group tested language, and will adjust her position depending on the current climate.

    She just has an image problem that she can't shake.... A lot of times, she comes across as a smug and cold person, but hearing people talk that have gotten close to her, personally they say she is a very nice person. I dunno...

    What is funny is how much the right hates her, but she is probably the furthest right of any of the democratic candidates.


    it's almost impossible to imagine anyone saying this kind of thing about a male candidate. who gives a shit if she's cold, smug, nice, etc? the question is, is she capable of doing the job? forget that she has breasts and no penis for a minute. :rolleyes:
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  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    there is something about the clintons. i never understood the hatred of bill by newt and the new right. he was as far right as the dems get. you dont get much further from the commie left than the clintons.
    In my opinion, the hatred began when it became apparent that he was going to win. The rule of American politics since WWII is that Democrats don't win the White House. Then he had the gall to win re-election - something a Dem hadn't done since FDR. To top that off, Republicans won control of congress for the first time in 40 years during his first term - initially thinking they'd only have to wait another two years to get one of their own in, and finally gain the total control they so richly deserved.

    He was a "cockblocker," plain and simple. And I think the resentment's only grown, because when the Republicans finally got their "date"....well, look how that turned out. And now they're back out to pasture. And so quickly, too.

    And for that reason alone, I'll call him the best president in my lifetime. Still not reason enough for me to get excited about sending him (through her) back. I believe they've done their duty, and it's time to move on.
  • my problem with Mrs. Hillary Clinton?????

    her husband Bill is a wife cheating,sexual harrasing,piece of human garbage...

    and Mrs.Clinton is still with this piece of crap??? why????
    as a matter of fact she could probably be considered an enabler to his disgusting behavior......right???? she was/is always in denial about his escapades......

    so how can i vote a person.....weather male or female.....for president of the united states.....

    when they cant show any backbone in their personal life????
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    my problem with Mrs. Hillary Clinton?????

    her husband Bill is a wife cheating,sexual harrasing,piece of human garbage...

    and Mrs.Clinton is still with this piece of crap??? why????
    as a matter of fact she could probably be considered an enabler to his disgusting behavior......right???? she was/is always in denial about his escapades......

    so how can i vote a person.....weather male or female.....for president of the united states.....

    when they cant show any backbone in their personal life????

    There's a reason they call it "personal life". Why can't Americans focus on the issues?!
  • gabers wrote:
    There's a reason they call it "personal life". Why can't Americans focus on the issues?!
    well....if she has no fucking control of her personal life.....

    and she could let that manipulating, lying, sexual deviate, wife cheating, sexual harrassing piece of crap husband of hers control her for 40 years......

    how the fuck am i supposed to believe she has the backbone to lead a nation????
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    whitepants wrote:
    I beleive that people who "hate" Hillary also hate her husband Bill and his time in the White House. They also hate the idea of such a strong, independent WOMAN running for president. She is abnormal in their pea brains as she defies their beliefs in what a woman should and should not do - and in this case, a girl should not be running for president, leave that for the regular white guys.

    I say 'Fuck You!' to anyone who hates her. Surely, there are people who disagree with her and for many reasons do not want to vote for her, but to simply HATE Hillary is a sign of deeper social and moral issues and I have no time for such stone-age thinking assholes!

    Sadly, I'm also dismayed that a lot of women don't like her either, and I feel that their prejudice against her also stems from their social indoctrination by this paternalistic society in regards to the political roles of women.

    All I can say is that I'm glad that more people either love, like or 'tolerate' her enough and will vote for her in Nov. '08.

    so you'd rather have a woman back hillary because she's a woman too; instead of using their own minds to make an educated decision.
  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    well....if she has no fucking control of her personal life.....

    and she could let that manipulating, lying, sexual deviate, wife cheating, sexual harrassing piece of crap husband of hers control her for 40 years......

    how the fuck am i supposed to believe she has the backbone to lead a nation????

    Shouldn't Barbara have left W when he was an alcoholic and a cokehead?

    What if Bill has straightened up now? (which I believe he has.) Does that have any influence on your opinion of her?

    I just think most people won't admit the real reasons they don't like her.
  • gabers wrote:
    Shouldn't Barbara have left W when he was an alcoholic and a cokehead?

    What if Bill has straightened up now? (which I believe he has.) Does that have any influence on your opinion of her?

    I just think most people won't admit the real reasons they don't like her.
    its not a personality thing with me...

    i dont like or dislike her....

    i just dont think she has the backbone/strength to lead the nation....

    bill has showed 30 years of being a wife cheating sexual harrassing piece of crap.....i have a hard time believing he has "straightened up"
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  • Wow, stereotype much? I thought Bill Clinton was a decent president (best of my lifetime, but thats certainly not saying much when Bush #1 is the 2nd best) and I would certainly vote for a woman president (Barbara Boxer or Madeline Albright would make good candidates) but I most certainly do hate Hilary Clinton. Why? The triangulation. The fact that she leads any candidate on either side in special interest money. The fact that she defended lobbyists at the Daily KOS convention. The fact that people high up in her campaign play the gender card if you criticize her. The fact that most media sources has declared her candidacy inevitable and her campaign has claimed that they're being ganged up on. The fact that she criticized Obama and Edwards for using "right wing playbook" tactics when they criticized her and just a few days ago while speaking about Obama she said the presidency could not handle "on the job training" a line used by, of all people, RUDY GUIILIANI to criticize her during a fox interview several months ago. The fact that she claims her experience as a first lady as policy experience, my Fiancee is a teacher, I guess I should go there and demand a job and explain that I'm qualified because I live with her and will help her with her planning on occasion. Guess what, people can disagree with you and not deserve to be attacked personally, shocking I know.

    whitepants wrote:
    I beleive that people who "hate" Hillary also hate her husband Bill and his time in the White House. They also hate the idea of such a strong, independent WOMAN running for president. She is abnormal in their pea brains as she defies their beliefs in what a woman should and should not do - and in this case, a girl should not be running for president, leave that for the regular white guys.

    I say 'Fuck You!' to anyone who hates her. Surely, there are people who disagree with her and for many reasons do not want to vote for her, but to simply HATE Hillary is a sign of deeper social and moral issues and I have no time for such stone-age thinking assholes!

    Sadly, I'm also dismayed that a lot of women don't like her either, and I feel that their prejudice against her also stems from their social indoctrination by this paternalistic society in regards to the political roles of women.

    All I can say is that I'm glad that more people either love, like or 'tolerate' her enough and will vote for her in Nov. '08.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Maybe you don't hate her, but I happen to view her as hated.

    I am no fan. She's pro-war and has become just another politician. But I still have some agreement with the orginal post. Those of us old enough to remember will remember her being hated from day 1--before Bill even won the 1992 election. Nancy? Barbara? Laura? Not too many people hated them. But Hillary was just hated right off the bat. The only thing I can come up with is that she was the least "June Cleaver" of the bunch. I think America still wants June Cleaver to be the first lady.

    But she's not running for first lady this time. She's running for president. And I'd like to think it's her views and not her gender that are going to end her run. But it may be a bit of both.

    good post. but let's go a bit further.
    the women i know hate her because by not divorcing bill; it was a slap in the face to all women. her message was that infidelity is normal and women should take whatever the man dishes out.

    the men i know hate her because she's a chameleon and changes colour to satisfy the crowd she's speaking to; without worry about what she said to the last crowd.

    the politicians and people that follow the "back side" of her campain; hate her because she's trying to trick the american people. all her campain contriutions come from big corporations who are trying to create this big machine to run the country. they want someone in their pocket and she's just the one. bill gave in so she will too.
    it insults the american people when she takes money from the people she claims she'll fight against.
  • my problem with Mrs. Hillary Clinton?????

    her husband Bill is a wife cheating,sexual harrasing,piece of human garbage...

    and Mrs.Clinton is still with this piece of crap??? why????
    as a matter of fact she could probably be considered an enabler to his disgusting behavior......right???? she was/is always in denial about his escapades......

    so how can i vote a person.....weather male or female.....for president of the united states.....

    when they cant show any backbone in their personal life????

    Speedy, you're too smart to resort to something like that not to vote for someone. Vote against her because she's a worthless Senator. After all, none of us know much about their "relationship" and if she really gave a shit about his cheating. My guess is no. I think they have a very different relationship where I don't think love comes into the question.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    gabers wrote:
    Shouldn't Barbara have left W when he was an alcoholic and a cokehead?

    What if Bill has straightened up now? (which I believe he has.) Does that have any influence on your opinion of her?

    I just think most people won't admit the real reasons they don't like her.

    well; by barbera standing by W's side when he was sick (yes; it's an illness) she showed strength. she showed conviction.

    but what bill did isn't an illness. sure; he claimed sex addiction but when you talk to counsellers who deal in this illness; sex addicts need sex several times a day. they crave sex with different people. so if bill has the addiction; he didn't have any time to run the country. [and that explains a lot]
  • Speedy, you're too smart to resort to something like that not to vote for someone. Vote against her because she's a worthless Senator. After all, none of us know much about their "relationship" and if she really gave a shit about his cheating. My guess is no. I think they have a very different relationship where I don't think love comes into the question.
    well....

    then if she didnt care about his cheating....
    didnt care about their marriage.....
    and the marriage was all an act.....
    then that just makes her FULL OF SHIT!!!!!!

    another good reason not to vote for her.

    I DONT TRUST HER!!!
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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