Kudos to the US: N. Korea agrees to nuclear disarmament deal

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    he he...the hate america card...I love it...:p
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    So you trust that NK would destroy all of their nukes if we did as well? How do we make certain all nukes worldwide have been destroyed? Because if just one of our enemies hides a few away after we've destroyed all of ours then we have no viable deterrent. Maybe you aren't concerned about our own safety or you're just nieve?

    Which takes us back to jlews statement. You really dont see the fundamental difference between north korea (really one guy kim jong il) and the US having nukes.

    As for your other knee jerk statement about the last country that used a nuke. I believe it to have been the North Koreans. Refer to UN Resolution 1718. We have used atomic weaponry in warfare, yes. But using your previous logic, "... you tell me who is the one who has actually dropped them before. Then you can get back with me on who is the biggest threat to the world..." At that time we used atomic weaponry against the biggest threat remaining in the world at that time. It was either a million American casualties, or total victory without further American bloodshed. I'll leave the morality of that up to you.




    As for this statement. The only concievable reason you would ask such a question is that you believe the United States to be fundamentally evil. Or, you have some sort of evidence that we have used nuclear weaponry in a reckless manor. Seeing that your only decision can be based on the fact that we used atomic weaponry against the imperial japanese in 1945, I'll await your answer.


    The Japanese were already finished. They were made an example of....a power play, pure and simple. A million Americans were never endanger of being killed by the Japanese without the bomb.

    I don't believe in evil. Living a life based on fear of another turns you into what you hate. Bombs pointed at everyone else out of fear.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    he he...the hate america card...I love it...:p

    Well, it's all they've got. As soon as it comes up, I know they just couldn't come up with anything better.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    that's too weird, I was just going to post something similar...:D


    great minds....;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,423
    inmytree wrote:
    he he...the hate america card...I love it...:p

    i was surprised it did not get played sooner than page 2. those guys must be slipping today.

    by the way, the US has dropped an atomic bomb on civillian populations TWICE. just pointing that out.....i would think that it would be a safe bet that if you do something more than once without negative consequences, it might make you more likely to engage in that behavior again over someone who has never done it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    lol Ok you thought provoking heavyweights.

    "As for this statement. The only concievable reason you would ask such a question is that you believe the United States to be fundamentally evil."

    Is that not the reason? If not, what is the reason for making the moral equivalency that it's OK for North Korea to have nukes if the US has them. And if it's OK for North Korea to have nukes would it then be OK for the US to have nukes? Is the rest of the world simply defending themselves from the United States by having nukes? Again, I apologize for that line in my last post because it's lead you away from the entire post. And again, I'll ask, if eradicating all nukes worldwide is your objective, how do we make certain all nukes worldwide have been destroyed? I mean, show a little thought beyond trying to proclaim world peace. How are you going to go about achieving it? You are a bit more intellectually stemulating than Diane Lang I would suppose.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Two thumbs up for Nuclear blackmail....Wonder what the cost will be for Iran?
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    by the way, the US has dropped an atomic bomb on civillian populations TWICE. just pointing that out.....

    I apologize. I assumed it was understood that two atomic bombs were dropped.

    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i would think that it would be a safe bet that if you do something more than once without negative consequences, it might make you more likely to engage in that behavior again over someone who has never done it.

    Well... Very observant. It might. But has it? Would it be reasonable to say that you should be thankful that we beat the Germans to the technology or it may have been us the first atomic weapons were used against?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I hope they stay peaceful as i'm gonna be living in South Korea from next month. If the North decide to invade they'll have me to deal with! :cool:
    Hope Kharma doesn't bite ya in yer arse there Byrnzie.....I've heard Korea is pretty chill right now. You'll be kewl.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Collin wrote:
    Well, it's not the just the US, right? Kudos to all of them.

    I still think it's hypocritical, though.


    Well to be accurate, the other parties were just facilitators. The deal was to give N. Korea assurances of no invasion and money Im sure. The only party who they had to worry about was us. So, Kudos to us, since it will be our money. How many Russian rubles are being given I wonder?
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    surferdude wrote:
    The inability to respect and acknowledge the US doing something good is appalling.

    When we do something significant you let me know. We are on a path toward just sticking it out in Iraq until it gets so bad we can't take it anymore. Then we will slowly leave. And gradually Iran, Saudi, Al Qaeda, and the people of Iraq will fight it out. We will leave it to them once we lose the will to fight - but refuse to work with them now. That is appauling.
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Well to be accurate, the other parties were just facilitators. The deal was to give N. Korea assurances of no invasion and money Im sure. The only party who they had to worry about was us. So, Kudos to us, since it will be our money. How many Russian rubles are being given I wonder?


    How many Red Chinese have a hand in the pocket? Sometimes I forget it's only fashionable to fantasize about American corruption.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    even flow? wrote:
    Well look at that. I am amazed at what talks and not bombs can do. Good on all the countries that participated, and hammered a deal out. Until NK runs this new chapter of money into the ground and pipe up with somemore outrageous demands. Didn't Clinton appease them not too long ago. Of course with money and not bombs, but how long can the cycle continue. Again, good that there were no shots fired.


    You actually think this is a good thing? What does this tell the world, just build a bomb and we'll buy you out. Wonderful message. Further, the deal is on paper only. Let's see where this thing is in 6 months time. Don't hold your breath on the North Koreans allowing inspectors back any time soon. If they do, ILL start agreeing with Byrnzie, and then, you will be sure...the apocalypse is upon us...
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Abuskedti wrote:
    When we do something significant you let me know. We are on a path toward just sticking it out in Iraq until it gets so bad we can't take it anymore. Then we will slowly leave. And gradually Iran, Saudi, Al Qaeda, and the people of Iraq will fight it out. We will leave it to them once we lose the will to fight - but refuse to work with them now. That is appauling.

    One has to believe things are as bad you say they are in order to make that assumption.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Regarding your first paragraph, i don't understand it. 'People on this board weren't distributing the blame'? Distributing what blame? And against who should blame have been distributed?

    Regarding your second paragraph, a group of countries, some of which have more influence on Korea than America - i.e, Japan - got together and negotiated with North Korea to accept a deal whereby it would gain a quantity of fuel in return for shutting down one of it's reactors. This is a good move, but it will do nothing to reduce the quantity of nuclear arms in the world. North Korea will never completely disarm because it's leaders aren't suicidal. This is a token gesture to attempt to restore some semblance of harmony in that region. The fact is that this deal probably benefits Japan more than it benefits the U.S.
    Im agreeing. Apocalypse now...
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    angelica wrote:
    Somewhat like those crazy Americans El Kabong and Abookamongstthemany. ;)
    Dont forget our favorite American currently living in exhile..Ahnimus
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Dont forget our favorite American currently living in exhile..Ahnimus
    Ah yes....Ahnimus--he's actually in my neck of the woods, an hour away. Are you telling me he's an American by proxy, or something?? An American in Canadian clothing??
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    angelica wrote:
    Ah yes....Ahnimus--he's actually in my neck of the woods, an hour away. Are you telling me he's an American by proxy, or something?? An American in Canadian clothing??

    What exactly defines Canadian clothing?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    And for us to have them...First, you have to be on crack if you think that any country that already has nuclear weapons is just going to give them back. Not going to happen. The best we can do is prevent any more countries from obtaining them.

    But just a little refresher on that Korean War thing. North Korea did not surrender. 30,000 americans died there. The war ended not with an unconditional surrender, it ended with an armistice. Does anyone know the difference? Besides Byrnzie...I know he knows.

    The difference is that technically there is still a state of war with North Korea. That war ended with the status quo being preserved, not a capitulation. As a result, a million many army stand on the border with South Korea.

    This same country is trying (and fortunately failing) to build rockets capable of hitting the West Coast. I live in Los Angeles. Therefore, for me, it is definitely NOT ok for North Korea to have weapons to tip those missiles.

    For the Europeans and "other North Americans" on this board who don't get it,
    try living in our shoes. It's about survival. That's why its ok for US to have them, and THEM not to. End of story.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    What exactly defines Canadian clothing?

    He is a Candian with an American inside of him somewhere trying to get out : )

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