Then additional kudos to the US for not being self-serving and thinking of the world first. Thanks for bringing that up.
I admit that this is a positive step forward. But there is still a lot more work to do on all sides to reduce nuclear arms in the world as a whole. At the moment their is a proliferation of nuclear arms in the world, not a reduction. Still, this is a step in the right direction.
I admit that this is a positive step forward. But there is still a lot more work to do on all sides to reduce nuclear arms in the world as a whole. At the moment their is a proliferation of nuclear arms in the world, not a reduction. Still, this is a step in the right direction.
C'mon, you can say it, "The US did good. I'm proud of America and proud to be an American."
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Or how about I'm proud to be an Earthling who doesn't support nuclear weapons for anyone anywhere.
That's fine, but it would make you an extreme hypocrite to then ever blast the US or the US government rather than the more generic earthling title. And you're much too cute to ever be that big a hypocrite.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
That's fine, but it would make you an extreme hypocrite to then ever blast the US or the US government rather than the more generic earthling title. And you're much too cute to ever be that big a hypocrite.
I can affect change here. My tax money is being spent on things I'm vehemently against. Not to mention the fact that the US, where I reside, has the biggest pile of these weapons I'm so against. Seems like the perfect place to cutely bitch about. We have the power to be a shining example for the rest of the world and not be as you say 'extreme hypocrites' denouncing something while doing it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I can affect change here. My tax money is being spent on things I'm vehemently against. Not to mention the fact that the US, where I reside, has the biggest pile of these weapons I'm so against. Seems like the perfect place to cutely bitch about. We have the power to be a shining example for the rest of the world and not be as you say 'extreme hypocrites' denouncing something while doing it.
Very nice!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I can affect change here. My tax money is being spent on things I'm vehemently against. Not to mention the fact that the US, where I reside, has the biggest pile of these weapons I'm so against. Seems like the perfect place to cutely bitch about. We have the power to be a shining example for the rest of the world and not be as you say 'extreme hypocrites' denouncing something while doing it.
And your tax money is being spent on things you very vocally support. It's a shame that you cannot have the respect to give the US administration kudos where kudos are due, while not being shy about pointing out their faults.
I really think you only take satisfaction in seeing America fail under it's current administration. Your hatred has blinded you and disconnected you from your heart so much that you cannot rejoice when America under this current administration does something good. That's sad, very sad.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I can affect change here. My tax money is being spent on things I'm vehemently against. Not to mention the fact that the US, where I reside, has the biggest pile of these weapons I'm so against. Seems like the perfect place to cutely bitch about. We have the power to be a shining example for the rest of the world and not be as you say 'extreme hypocrites' denouncing something while doing it.
Superb post.
A hypocrite can only be so when what is detested is practised. On that note, does anybody think that the Bush-led US would willfully use a nuclear weapon against another nation, as a means of protection, correction or otherwise?
And your tax money is being spent on things you very vocally support. It's a shame that you cannot have the respect to give the US administration kudos where kudos are due, while not being shy about pointing out their faults.
I really think you only take satisfaction in seeing America fail under it's current administration. Your hatred has blinded you and disconnected you from your heart so much that you cannot rejoice when America under this current administration does something good. That's sad, very sad.
I haven't seen her be anything but respectful in this thread, and most others. Disagreeing with you is about a different point of view, not about respect.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
And your tax money is being spent on things you very vocally support. It's a shame that you cannot have the respect to give the US administration kudos where kudos are due, while not being shy about pointing out their faults.
I really think you only take satisfaction in seeing America fail under it's current administration. Your hatred has blinded you and disconnected you from your heart so much that you cannot rejoice when America under this current administration does something good. That's sad, very sad.
There's no hate. It has nothing to do with the current admin. or me wanting it to fail. You're projecting all this on me in an attempt to dodge my point. I just call it like I see it. I'm not the one pretending to be so against something that I actually do support as long as it's mine. If you think it's such a good thing that N Korea not have nuclear weapons then how is it alright for the US to have them??? That would be like me deserving praise for taking a gun away from a person who is aiming it at you and all the while still keeping MY gun pointed at you. If I were you, I'd want both guns gone.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
There's no hate. It has nothing to do with the current admin. or me wanting it to fail. You're projecting all this on me in an attempt to dodge my point. I just call it like I see it. I'm not the one pretending to be so against something that I actually do support as long as it's mine. If you think it's such a good thing that N Korea not have nuclear weapons then how is it alright for the US to have them??? That would be like me deserving praise for taking a gun away from a person who is aiming it at you and all the while still keeping MY gun pointed at you. If I were you, I'd want both guns gone.
I respect your opinion for wanting to rid the world of military weapons. but you really dont see the fundamental difference between north korea (really one guy kim jong il) and the US having nukes?
And your tax money is being spent on things you very vocally support. It's a shame that you cannot have the respect to give the US administration kudos where kudos are due, while not being shy about pointing out their faults.
I really think you only take satisfaction in seeing America fail under it's current administration. Your hatred has blinded you and disconnected you from your heart so much that you cannot rejoice when America under this current administration does something good. That's sad, very sad.
People are so quick to talk about hatred of the United States. About patriotism. Our country has made a horrible mistake. We created in Iraq something unthinkable. We need to focus on fixing it. And we are not.
Iraq must be our focus - lets stop being so afraid of looking bad - criticism is not hatred - its hope.
What we need to do for Iraq is simple. We need to talk to the key players and facilitate a solution - offering help along the way. The key players are the Shiits, the Sunnis and the Kurds... That includes Saudi Arabia and Iran and Sadr... We must talk with these people - get all their opinions and points of view and begin to work out a solution. This game we are playing to save face while all along the way insisting we are a great country and all should be proud of whatever we do - to the point of ignoring the most devistating mistake and challange - makes a solution impossible.
Why can't we stop pretending and start working... We are still playing political game - arguing about whether we can discuss whether or not to disagree with the presidents decision... The president caused all of this and continues to refuse to acknowledge the complications and the huge challange ahead - and continues to drive with his eyes closed. That is what needs to be addressed.
We have a huge responsibility and we need to address it aggressively. Stop the name calling of every conflicting opinion - and every different nation - and talk about the issues - and work on some solutions. We need to recognize that real people are being killed every day.. good people... not faceless nameless victims of war.. This is not war - nobody on any side wants this war - this differences of culture and competing needs are boiling over in a lawless land - the only hope is for everyone to care about it enough to work together honestly.
The United States is currently not entitled to Kudos for anything - it is in the midst of a very big job - and needs - every one of us.
I'm wondering... where are all the 'Anti-Appeasement' voices in all of this? I recall that when discussion of talks with North Korea came up in the past... several people here called them 'Appeasement Talks' and likened them to Prime Minister Chamberlain's appeasement agreement with Hitler.
Where are those people and how do they feel about these negotiations?
bump for a great post...I also wonder where o' where the "you can't talk to a madman crowd" is....
I'll say this, I'm glad the US finally listened to those of us who were right...the ones how advocated for talks...so, yes, kudos to the US and the other counties involved...
I could almost gaurantee you that when temperatures were rising surrounding nukes and North Korea that people on this board weren't distributing the blame.
Look at your response. It's like you are incapable of admitting that the US did something good/great for the world. Do you hate the US that much that you willfully will not see the good?
out of the other countries invovled in the talks, which one was talking shit the whole time, pushing buttons and making demands...? that would have been the US and dumbya's tough rhetoric...
as I stated earlier, good for the US making the correct choice...
I respect your opinion for wanting to rid the world of military weapons. but you really dont see the fundamental difference between north korea (really one guy kim jong il) and the US having nukes?
I don't know... you tell me who is the one who has actually dropped them before. Then you can get back with me on who is the biggest threat to the world.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
bump for a great post...I also wonder where o' where the "you can't talk to a madman crowd" is....
I'll say this, I'm glad the US finally listened to those of us who were right...the ones how advocated for talks...so, yes, kudos to the US and the other counties involved...
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We're not baiting an arguement... I would just like to know if this agreement is an appeasement deal in their view. I remember the arguement points they used, stating that the Clinton Administration came to an agreement with North Korea regarding their nuclear capabilities... and thrashed them as (The Clinton Administration) as appeasers for making a deal with Kim, an unbalanced, brutal dictator. Why are we NOT hearing the term 'Appeasement' being tossed around here? Isn't this deal along the same lines? We are basically saying, "Here... take this money and please stop what you are doing"... aren't we?
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Personally... I think it's a good thing... these current negotiations. But, I wonder... what did we yield to China in consideration for their pressure on North Korea? Turn a blind eye to their internal autrocities? Negotiations are tough, no doubt about it... but, we shouldn't be patting our backs so soon... this thing is far from over. We need to keep pressure on North Korea because they have proven that their word is about as good as the Bush Administration's credibility right now.... but, it definately beats the moron's first resort of violence as the solution.
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I don't know... you tell me who is the one who has actually dropped them before. Then you can get back with me on who is the biggest threat to the world.
Good point. and when was the last time N. Korea invaded another country? How about the US?
The kudos should go to N Korea for this one, when the US agrees to the same terms THEN they will deserve kudos, too.
So you trust that NK would destroy all of their nukes if we did as well? How do we make certain all nukes worldwide have been destroyed? Because if just one of our enemies hides a few away after we've destroyed all of ours then we have no viable deterrent. Maybe you aren't concerned about our own safety or you're just nieve?
Which takes us back to jlews statement. You really dont see the fundamental difference between north korea (really one guy kim jong il) and the US having nukes.
As for your other knee jerk statement about the last country that used a nuke. I believe it to have been the North Koreans. Refer to UN Resolution 1718. We have used atomic weaponry in warfare, yes. But using your previous logic, "... you tell me who is the one who has actually dropped them before. Then you can get back with me on who is the biggest threat to the world..." At that time we used atomic weaponry against the biggest threat remaining in the world at that time. It was either a million American casualties, or total victory without further American bloodshed. I'll leave the morality of that up to you.
If you think it's such a good thing that N Korea not have nuclear weapons then how is it alright for the US to have them???
As for this statement. The only concievable reason you would ask such a question is that you believe the United States to be fundamentally evil. Or, you have some sort of evidence that we have used nuclear weaponry in a reckless manor. Seeing that your only decision can be based on the fact that we used atomic weaponry against the imperial japanese in 1945, I'll await your answer.
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I admit that this is a positive step forward. But there is still a lot more work to do on all sides to reduce nuclear arms in the world as a whole. At the moment their is a proliferation of nuclear arms in the world, not a reduction. Still, this is a step in the right direction.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
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You thought i was American?
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You've got to be kidding, Russia? You know Russia could care less if N. Korea had nukes. Putin is a joke.
Kudos to Japan, China, South Korea AND the US.
You forgot Russia.
Or how about I'm proud to be an Earthling who doesn't support nuclear weapons for anyone anywhere.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Im not saying they were "Pushing" for NK to get nukes. They could just care less because Putin hates the US and hate Bush.
But anyway, im glad something came of this NK Nuclear deal, and hopefully that crazy bastard Kim Jong sticks with it.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I guess the problems in Iraq helped us out here - If we were full strength we may not have done as well.
i'll take this one surferdude
C'mon, you can say it, "The US did good. I'm proud of America and proud to be an American." (even if its just for this particular case)
I can affect change here. My tax money is being spent on things I'm vehemently against. Not to mention the fact that the US, where I reside, has the biggest pile of these weapons I'm so against. Seems like the perfect place to cutely bitch about.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I really think you only take satisfaction in seeing America fail under it's current administration. Your hatred has blinded you and disconnected you from your heart so much that you cannot rejoice when America under this current administration does something good. That's sad, very sad.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
A hypocrite can only be so when what is detested is practised. On that note, does anybody think that the Bush-led US would willfully use a nuclear weapon against another nation, as a means of protection, correction or otherwise?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
There's no hate. It has nothing to do with the current admin. or me wanting it to fail. You're projecting all this on me in an attempt to dodge my point. I just call it like I see it. I'm not the one pretending to be so against something that I actually do support as long as it's mine. If you think it's such a good thing that N Korea not have nuclear weapons then how is it alright for the US to have them??? That would be like me deserving praise for taking a gun away from a person who is aiming it at you and all the while still keeping MY gun pointed at you. If I were you, I'd want both guns gone.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I respect your opinion for wanting to rid the world of military weapons. but you really dont see the fundamental difference between north korea (really one guy kim jong il) and the US having nukes?
People are so quick to talk about hatred of the United States. About patriotism. Our country has made a horrible mistake. We created in Iraq something unthinkable. We need to focus on fixing it. And we are not.
Iraq must be our focus - lets stop being so afraid of looking bad - criticism is not hatred - its hope.
What we need to do for Iraq is simple. We need to talk to the key players and facilitate a solution - offering help along the way. The key players are the Shiits, the Sunnis and the Kurds... That includes Saudi Arabia and Iran and Sadr... We must talk with these people - get all their opinions and points of view and begin to work out a solution. This game we are playing to save face while all along the way insisting we are a great country and all should be proud of whatever we do - to the point of ignoring the most devistating mistake and challange - makes a solution impossible.
Why can't we stop pretending and start working... We are still playing political game - arguing about whether we can discuss whether or not to disagree with the presidents decision... The president caused all of this and continues to refuse to acknowledge the complications and the huge challange ahead - and continues to drive with his eyes closed. That is what needs to be addressed.
We have a huge responsibility and we need to address it aggressively. Stop the name calling of every conflicting opinion - and every different nation - and talk about the issues - and work on some solutions. We need to recognize that real people are being killed every day.. good people... not faceless nameless victims of war.. This is not war - nobody on any side wants this war - this differences of culture and competing needs are boiling over in a lawless land - the only hope is for everyone to care about it enough to work together honestly.
The United States is currently not entitled to Kudos for anything - it is in the midst of a very big job - and needs - every one of us.
bump for a great post...I also wonder where o' where the "you can't talk to a madman crowd" is....
I'll say this, I'm glad the US finally listened to those of us who were right...the ones how advocated for talks...so, yes, kudos to the US and the other counties involved...
and to those this:
out of the other countries invovled in the talks, which one was talking shit the whole time, pushing buttons and making demands...? that would have been the US and dumbya's tough rhetoric...
as I stated earlier, good for the US making the correct choice...
I don't know... you tell me who is the one who has actually dropped them before. Then you can get back with me on who is the biggest threat to the world.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
We're not baiting an arguement... I would just like to know if this agreement is an appeasement deal in their view. I remember the arguement points they used, stating that the Clinton Administration came to an agreement with North Korea regarding their nuclear capabilities... and thrashed them as (The Clinton Administration) as appeasers for making a deal with Kim, an unbalanced, brutal dictator. Why are we NOT hearing the term 'Appeasement' being tossed around here? Isn't this deal along the same lines? We are basically saying, "Here... take this money and please stop what you are doing"... aren't we?
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Personally... I think it's a good thing... these current negotiations. But, I wonder... what did we yield to China in consideration for their pressure on North Korea? Turn a blind eye to their internal autrocities? Negotiations are tough, no doubt about it... but, we shouldn't be patting our backs so soon... this thing is far from over. We need to keep pressure on North Korea because they have proven that their word is about as good as the Bush Administration's credibility right now.... but, it definately beats the moron's first resort of violence as the solution.
Hail, Hail!!!
Good point. and when was the last time N. Korea invaded another country? How about the US?
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
The kudos should go to N Korea for this one, when the US agrees to the same terms THEN they will deserve kudos, too.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
that's too weird, I was just going to post something similar...:D
So you trust that NK would destroy all of their nukes if we did as well? How do we make certain all nukes worldwide have been destroyed? Because if just one of our enemies hides a few away after we've destroyed all of ours then we have no viable deterrent. Maybe you aren't concerned about our own safety or you're just nieve?
Which takes us back to jlews statement. You really dont see the fundamental difference between north korea (really one guy kim jong il) and the US having nukes.
As for your other knee jerk statement about the last country that used a nuke. I believe it to have been the North Koreans. Refer to UN Resolution 1718. We have used atomic weaponry in warfare, yes. But using your previous logic, "... you tell me who is the one who has actually dropped them before. Then you can get back with me on who is the biggest threat to the world..." At that time we used atomic weaponry against the biggest threat remaining in the world at that time. It was either a million American casualties, or total victory without further American bloodshed. I'll leave the morality of that up to you.
As for this statement. The only concievable reason you would ask such a question is that you believe the United States to be fundamentally evil. Or, you have some sort of evidence that we have used nuclear weaponry in a reckless manor. Seeing that your only decision can be based on the fact that we used atomic weaponry against the imperial japanese in 1945, I'll await your answer.
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