Israel Bans International Media from Gaza,

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  • pearljamfan1212
    pearljamfan1212 Posts: 203
    lets hope it continues. better then nothing I guess

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7745783.stm

    Israel has temporarily re-opened a border crossing with the Gaza Strip to allow in essential supplies of food.

    It has also allowed delivery, through a pipe line, of diesel fuel for Gaza's only power plant.

    It is only the second time in three weeks that Israel has permitted aid deliveries into the territory.

    It tightened its blockade of the Hamas-controlled territory earlier in November after rocket attacks by Palestinian militants.

    The militants said their attacks, which caused minor damage but no serious injuries, were in retaliation for an Israeli army raid into Gaza.

    UN officials say Gaza is facing a humanitarian catastrophe, and have urged Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to ease the blockade.

    'Minimum impact'

    Israel allowed at least 40 lorryloads of humanitarian aid and other goods into Gaza via the Kerem Shalom crossing point.

    Shipments were last allowed on 17 November, also for a single day.

    Future aid shipments depended on whether cross-border violence could be curbed, Israeli officials said.

    But aid workers in the territory said the deliveries would have a minimum impact as reserves were already so depleted, and they needed a steady supply of aid to alleviate the shortages.

    "It is just not enough," said United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNWRA) spokesman Christopher Gunness, quoted by Reuters news agency.

    The Israeli authorities also opened the Nahal Oz terminal for the delivery of fuel to Gaza's power plant, for the first time since the blockade was intensified on 4 November.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pearljamfan1212 wrote:
    lets hope it continues. better then nothing I guess

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7745783.stm

    Israel has temporarily re-opened a border crossing with the Gaza Strip to allow in essential supplies of food.

    It has also allowed delivery, through a pipe line, of diesel fuel for Gaza's only power plant.

    It is only the second time in three weeks that Israel has permitted aid deliveries into the territory.

    It tightened its blockade of the Hamas-controlled territory earlier in November after rocket attacks by Palestinian militants.

    The militants said their attacks, which caused minor damage but no serious injuries, were in retaliation for an Israeli army raid into Gaza.

    UN officials say Gaza is facing a humanitarian catastrophe, and have urged Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to ease the blockade.

    'Minimum impact'

    Israel allowed at least 40 lorryloads of humanitarian aid and other goods into Gaza via the Kerem Shalom crossing point.

    Shipments were last allowed on 17 November, also for a single day.

    Future aid shipments depended on whether cross-border violence could be curbed, Israeli officials said.

    But aid workers in the territory said the deliveries would have a minimum impact as reserves were already so depleted, and they needed a steady supply of aid to alleviate the shortages.

    "It is just not enough," said United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNWRA) spokesman Christopher Gunness, quoted by Reuters news agency.

    The Israeli authorities also opened the Nahal Oz terminal for the delivery of fuel to Gaza's power plant, for the first time since the blockade was intensified on 4 November.

    Let's hope they now begin abiding by international law and dismantle the separation barrier, and then withdraw completely from the Occupied Territories.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    _outlaw wrote:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7739063.stm


    'Alongside attacks by its military, Israel's government says its Gaza closure strategy aims to deter Palestinian militants from firing rockets across the border at Israeli towns.....'



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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Tuesday, November 25, 2008

    A United Nations spokesman slammed the amount of international food aid Israel allowed into the Gaza Strip on Monday, amid mounting international concern over a deterioration of the humanitarian situation in the besieged, aid-dependent Palestinian territory. "It is most emphatically not enough," said UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) spokesman Chris Gunness. "This drip-drip approach will not allow UNRWA to function."

    With stocks running dangerously low, UNRWA had expressed fears it would have to suspend its food distribution for the second time since Israel completely sealed off the territory at the beginning of the month.

    Various UN and EU officials have denounced the effect of the siege on Gaza's population, half of whom are dependent on handouts for survival, saying the action amounts to "collective punishment of a civilian population." Such an action is illegal under international law and defined by the Fourth Geneva Convention as a war crime.

    http://www.dailystar.com.
  • pearljamfan1212
    pearljamfan1212 Posts: 203
    would the crossing still be opened today if rockets were not fired into Israel yesterday?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7747363.stm

    Gaza crossing resealed by Israel

    Israel has resealed a border crossing with the Gaza Strip that it had temporarily opened to allow in a limited amount of food and fuel.

    Israeli officials said they took the step after a rocket was fired at Israel late on Monday.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pearljamfan1212 wrote:
    would the crossing still be opened today if rockets were not fired into Israel yesterday?

    Israeli officials said they took the step after a rocket was fired at Israel late on Monday.

    You think that's the right question to be asking? "Would the crossing still be open today if a rocket hadn't been fired into Israel?"

    How about answering this question instead?: What right does Israel have to continue it's illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and what right does it have to collectively punish 1.5 million people?
  • pearljamfan1212
    pearljamfan1212 Posts: 203
    Byrnzie wrote:
    You think that's the right question to be asking? "Would the crossing still be open today if a rocket hadn't been fired into Israel?"

    answer is yes.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pearljamfan1212 wrote:
    would the crossing still be opened today if rockets were not fired into Israel yesterday?


    That's like asking "Would the Nazis have continued throwing scraps of bread over the wall of the Warsaw ghetto if the Jews inside hadn't started the uprising in 1943?"
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    pearljamfan1212 wrote:
    answer is yes.

    And what's the answer to the other question?

    What right does Israel have to continue it's illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and what right does it have to collectively punish 1.5 million people?
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  • pearljamfan1212
    pearljamfan1212 Posts: 203
    Collin wrote:
    And what's the answer to the other question?

    What right does Israel have to continue it's illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and what right does it have to collectively punish 1.5 million people?

    they don't
  • pearljamfan1212
    pearljamfan1212 Posts: 203
    Byrnzie wrote:
    That's like asking "Would the Nazis have continued throwing scraps of bread over the wall of the Warsaw ghetto if the Jews inside hadn't started the uprising in 1943?"

    when it doubt, throw in a Nazi comparison. point is, the checkpoint would probably be open had Palestinians not fired a rocket yesterday.
  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    pearljamfan1212 wrote:
    when it doubt, throw in a Nazi comparison. point is, the checkpoint would probably be open had Palestinians not fired a rocket yesterday.
    No, the point is that it's silly to talk about this one particular issue with the checkpoint like it's now the focus of the crisis in the Middle East. The Nazi comparison is totally appropriate here because it puts the whole situation in the proper perspective.
  • pearljamfan1212
    pearljamfan1212 Posts: 203
    Saturnal wrote:
    No, the point is that it's silly to talk about this one particular issue with the checkpoint like it's now the focus of the crisis in the Middle East. The Nazi comparison is totally appropriate here because it puts the whole situation in the proper perspective.

    my point remains and is true.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    It's funny/sad actually. If the Palestinians stopped all forms of resistance tomorrow, it would only speed up how quickly Israel acquires their land and resources and gets away with it in the public eye.

    In a nutshell, they want peaceful cheap labor slaves who are easier to steal from and don't make such a fuss over getting screwed over.

    who wouldn't I suppose?
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • pearljamfan1212
    pearljamfan1212 Posts: 203
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It's funny/sad actually. If the Palestinians stopped all forms of resistance tomorrow, it would only speed up how quickly Israel acquires their land and resources and gets away with it in the public eye.

    In a nutshell, they want peaceful cheap labor slaves who are easier to steal from and don't make such a fuss over getting screwed over.

    who wouldn't I suppose?

    so they should probably just continue to fire rockets into Israel. who knows they may get lucky and hit some kids on their way to school! viva la resistance! whole lot of good its doing them eh? maybe they should try a peaceful resistance.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pearljamfan1212 wrote:
    my point remains and is true.

    Your point is a moot point. It's not relevant. It's just a distraction and an excuse.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pearljamfan1212 wrote:
    when it doubt, throw in a Nazi comparison. point is, the checkpoint would probably be open had Palestinians not fired a rocket yesterday.

    When in doubt? What is it exactly that you presume I've been in any doubt over?
  • pearljamfan1212
    pearljamfan1212 Posts: 203
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Your point is a moot point. It's not relevant. It's just a distraction and an excuse.

    it was you (and others) posting about how horrible this blockade is correct? and it is horrible. well, Israel opened the blockade, which is what you want correct? then it was closed because more rockets were fired last night.

    fire no rockets, blockade remains lifted. moot my ass.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pearljamfan1212 wrote:
    so they should probably just continue to fire rockets into Israel. who knows they may get lucky and hit some kids on their way to school! viva la resistance! whole lot of good its doing them eh? maybe they should try a peaceful resistance.

    They just did. But Israel failed to stick to the terms of the truce from the outset.
  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    pearljamfan1212 wrote:
    my point remains and is true.
    I don't disagree with that. Your point is true, no question...it's just a frivolous one.

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