Banning Guns = Banning Islam?

old and in the way

Cosmo wrote:

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Are you saying that people do not purchase and own guns for 'protection'? If they are for protection... protection from whom or what? What is the shit that is going to hit his fan?
I owned a gun over 25 years ago for protection... protection from home invasions... protections from car jackers. Two new forms of crimes that popped up in the late 70s/early 80s. Protection because of the fear of these new forms of crimes.
I finally came to my senses and stopped being afraid. I'm not worried about home invasions or car jackings... they can have my car, my wallet and all the shit in my house... it's only stuff to me. and if they choose to kill me over bullshit used material goods... well, i think I'm ready to face my God if they decide to end my stint here. I am not afraid.
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P.S. I am not a cop or an armoured car driver... I don't need a permit to carry a weapon in public.

Cosmo, I certainly agree with your position of not using lethal force to protect property, I believe there are laws in most states prohibiting that. I also respect your decision about personal ownership for yourself, I like your stance here. I have to say though that I see a distinct difference in "not being afraid" and "not being a victim"

old and in the way

cellophanehand wrote:

Glad to see another using my favourite weapon of choice - sarcasm. Of course, as a piece of machinery, guns are a technical piece of equipment made up of lots of bits and pieces but my point was that the bottom line is they serve ONE purpose - to kill - and to try and intellectualise the subject by discussing "it's a wonderful piece of technology with a beautiful smooth action" or "this one is so much better than this one because it's more reliable" whatever, cleverly detaches the individual from the device's sole purpose.

Yes, there is skill in sport shooting - the accuracy, keeping it functioning - but that doesn't mean it's a positive thing for anyone to think that guns are something more than what they actually are.


(btw i like what you're saying above me here, cosmo... )

Many would say they see some other purposes for guns along with "to kill". Like for defense, protection, peace of mind, intimidation, admiration, commerce, collecting or whatever. There's some validity to that position.

ilana

dunkman1974 wrote:

banning guns = innocent kids lives will be saved

banning Islam = the equivalent of being a Nazi


how about making guns extremely difficult to have, full checks to be made, guns licenced, handguns to be kept in authorised safes, etc..

and at the same time you can go and search for the religious extremists people appear to fear so much

more kids have died in the states in the last two years as a result of being shot by ACCIDENT in a handgun misuse scenario than renegade 'Muslims' have killed since the year 0....

i fail to see your correalition... its a poor analogy

banning islam = saving childrens lives,, theres and ours
muslim ideology= nazi ideology

dunkman

ilana wrote:

banning islam = saving childrens lives,, theres and ours
muslim ideology= nazi ideology

what the fuck are you on about



are you comparing the 99.9% of law abiding Muslims to the Nazis?

darkcrow

this thread is such a bad idea.... to equate guns with religion... and particularly one.... come on kat... lock this thread up...

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redrock

ilana wrote:

banning islam = saving childrens lives,, theres and ours
muslim ideology= nazi ideology

Ignorant, racist & discriminatory remark. I would erase your post if I were you... if nothing else, just to be able to save face.

darkcrow

redrock wrote:

Ignorant, racist & discriminatory remark. I would erase your post if I were you... if nothing else, just to be able to save face.

hi rita! you coming to the lemonheads??

negationist

ilana wrote:

banning islam = saving childrens lives,, theres and ours
muslim ideology= nazi ideology

I can't believe i'm seeing this again. And i thought the thread had taken on a more logical approach to the discussion of gun law and gun crimes in america. But no, someone has to go and insult a whole race of people by saying banning a religion will save lives!!! Unbelievable!!! This is one of the most racist remarks i have ever encountered on the message board. I'm really ashamed!!!

69charger

negationist wrote:

I can't believe i'm seeing this again. And i thought the thread had taken on a more logical approach to the discussion of gun law and gun crimes in america. But no, someone has to go and insult a whole race of people by saying banning a religion will save lives!!! Unbelievable!!! This is one of the most racist remarks i have ever encountered on the message board. I'm really ashamed!!!

This is exactly the point I was trying to make with my initial post.

It is wrong to punish the vast majority because of the actions of a tiny minority, whether that be Muslims or gun owners.

Thanks for making my point.

dunkman

69charger wrote:

This is exactly the point I was trying to make with my initial post.

It is wrong to punish the vast majority because of the actions of a tiny minority, whether that be Muslims or gun owners.

Thanks for making my point.

but your point hasnt been made in the slightest...

are you seriously saying that more legislation and control on your handgun is a "punishment" thats comparable to banning someones religion???

thats insane... making someone go through a series of administerial procedures and test to have a gun is a whole lot more different than banning someones religion..

negationist

69charger wrote:

This is exactly the point I was trying to make with my initial post.

It is wrong to punish the vast majority because of the actions of a tiny minority, whether that be Muslims or gun owners.

Thanks for making my point.

That's not my point at all. My point was that I can believe how bigoted people can be to start making racist remarks like the one above on a message thread in a forum like this. I don't think saying I'd like to ban guns is quite as racist as saying banning islam saves lives of children and the muslim faith is akin to nazi ideology. I think we're talking about 2 quite different things here.

69charger

dunkman1974 wrote:

but your point hasnt been made in the slightest...

are you seriously saying that more legislattion and control on your handgun is a "punishment" thats comparable to banning someones religion???

thats insane... making someone go through a series of administerial procedures and test to have a gun is a whole lot more different than banning someones religion..

I'm talking about people wanting to ban guns. Have you not read this thread?

69charger

negationist wrote:

I think we're talking about 2 quite different things here.

No shit. I see you must have not read the thread from the beginning?

dunkman

69charger wrote:

I'm talking about people wanting to ban guns. Have you not read this thread?

i have read it and yet i have no idea who you are directing the thread at then


i think there are about 3 people on this board who want to ban guns completely...so making arbitary analogies seems pretty futile


and please explain how negationist's post actually "makes your point" then?

Scratchin a Letter

interesting theory, but then again this thread was started by somebody who once said the only way to solve terrorism is genocide.

redrock

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

interesting theory, but then again this thread was started by somebody who once said the only way to solve terrorism is genocide.

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