Banning Guns = Banning Islam?

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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You need to go to the swap meet out here in L.A.

So are the people at this swap meet all freaks and criminals and violent sociopaths?

And hey ... If you can comment, does that mean you were there?

rebornFixer

By the way, dude, I am not calling you a liar. Maybe you are completely right. I've never been to a gun swap meet in L.A.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

So are the people at this swap meet all freaks and criminals and violent sociopaths?

And hey ... If you can comment, does that mean you were there?

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Yup.. I was there... looking for parts for an old Schwinn Sting-Ray.
And looking around at the people... they are not criminals.. but, like most crowds... a gigantic blob of... well, people I wouldn't feel safe if they were all packing some heat. If it was a swap meet of all cops or all Marines... no problem.
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As for the gun Shows out here... in a word... freightening. Neo-Nazi Palmdale Meth lab mullet heads selling heavy fire power to ghetto looking gang bangers... fucking scary.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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As for the gun Shows out here... in a word... freightening. Neo-Nazi Palmdale Meth lab mullet heads selling heavy fire power to ghetto looking gang bangers... fucking scary.

That is indeed a scary image ... If I was a betting man, though, I'd wager that most of the gangs get their guns from other sources on the streets, not from neo-Nazi boogeymen at swap meets.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

That is indeed a scary image ... If I was a betting man, though, I'd wager that most of the gangs get their guns from other sources on the streets, not from neo-Nazi boogeymen at swap meets.

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Oh, I know. It's just that you would never think that Neo-Nazis from Palmdale and Eight-Tray Crips from South Central would have any reason to be in the same room, right? Guns and money... that the glue. and it's all legal... cops can't do shit about it.
I'm guessing the guns sold out of the trunks of Impalas on sides streets off of Crenshaw are not in the best shape... the ones at the swap meet are much better and probably will not blow up in your face.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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Oh, I know. It's just that you would never think that Neo-Nazis from Palmdale and Eight-Tray Crips from South Central would have any reason to be in the same room, right? Guns and money... that the glue. and it's all legal... cops can't do shit about it.
I'm guessing the guns sold out of the trunks of Impalas on sides streets off of Crenshaw are not in the best shape... the ones at the swap meet are much better and probably will not blow up in your face.

Now I'm curious ... Do they sell shit like Uzis and MAC-10s at these things? Are such weapons legal in Cali? If so, then I'll stop arguing with you.

I agree ... No one needs that kind of firepower.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

Now I'm curious ... Do they sell shit like Uzis and MAC-10s at these things? Are such weapons legal in Cali? If so, then I'll stop arguing with you.

I agree ... No one needs that kind of firepower.

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You should have seen these places in the early 90s.
Since the Assault Rifle Ban went into affect, the sales of these types of weapons has gone down. But, guys can still advertise sale of these types of weapons... the actual exchange usually occurs in private homes... all legal. And it is still legal to sell gun parts... so you'll see completely disassembled assault rifles in boxes... missing one piece. The vendor will direct you to the booth that is selling the one part you need to complete the weapon. And there are still mod kits sold to convert existing semi-automatics to fire fully automatic... those are still legal.
You should really get a chance to see one of these things... it really is scary thinking about the amount of fire power that is out there.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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You should have seen these places in the early 90s.
Since the Assault Rifle Ban went into affect, the sales of these types of weapons has gone down. But, guys can still advertise sale of these types of weapons... the actual exchange usually occurs in private homes... all legal. And it is still legal to sell gun parts... so you'll see completely disassembled assault rifles in boxes... missing one piece. The vendor will direct you to the booth that is selling the one part you need to complete the weapon. And there are still mod kits sold to convert existing semi-automatics to fire fully automatic... those are still legal.
You should really get a chance to see one of these things... it really is scary thinking about the amount of fire power that is out there.

The gun shows here are mostly hunting weapons only, and some handguns. There are always a few collectors who set up shop, showing off things like vintage Sten guns or perhaps a few assault weapons like old FNs or AK-47s ... These things are not for sale, however. Only collectors can legally own them, and getting a collector's permit basically means selling your soul to the government. Of course, LA and Canada aren't even in the same ballpark when it comes to gun violence. Not yet anyway. Ghetto youth in Toronto and Vancouver are starting to take pointers from their brothers in South Central.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

The gun shows here are mostly hunting weapons only, and some handguns. There are always a few collectors who set up shop, showing off things like vintage Sten guns or perhaps a few assault weapons like old FNs or AK-47s ... These things are not for sale, however. Only collectors can legally own them, and getting a collector's permit basically means selling your soul to the government. Of course, LA and Canada aren't even in the same ballpark when it comes to gun violence. Not yet anyway. Ghetto youth in Toronto and Vancouver are starting to take pointers from their brothers in South Central.

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Which I understand. Gun ownership in Montana and gun ownership in Los Angeles... two completely different situations.
I do not want to restrict gun ownership in Montana... just in Los Angeles. I don't give a fuck about other states gun laws (or lack thereof). I just want the fuckers in Montana to quit worrying about the gun laws we pass in Los Angeles or California... it has nothing to do with Montana (or any other gun lover state).
Mind your own business and let me worry about mine... that's all I'm saying.
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NOTE: Not directed at RebornC... 'You' is more in a general term.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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Which I understand. Gun ownership in Montana and gun ownership in Los Angeles... two completely different situations.
I do not want to restrict gun ownership in Montana... just in Los Angeles. I don't give a fuck about other states gun laws (or lack thereof). I just want the fuckers in Montana to quit worrying about the gun laws we pass in Los Angeles or California... it has nothing to do with Montana (or any other gun lover state).
Mind your own business and let me worry about mine... that's all I'm saying.
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NOTE: Not directed at RebornC... 'You' is more in a general term.

This might just be one area where I wish Canada was a bit more like the U.S. This would enable rural and urban provinces (generally speaking) to make gun laws as strict as they wanted to, without adversely impacting the rest of the country. Our criminal justice system is federal jusristiction, though. In an ideal world, people in Ontario could ban guns if they so chose, while people in Alberta or Saskatchewan could continue on with the current approach, which is more than adequate here.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

This might just be one area where I wish Canada was a bit more like the U.S. This would enable rural and urban provinces (generally speaking) to make gun laws as strict as they wanted to, without adversely impacting the rest of the country. Our criminal justice system is federal jusristiction, though. In an ideal world, people in Ontario could ban guns if they so chose, while people in Alberta or Saskatchewan could continue on with the current approach, which is more than adequate here.

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That's what pisses me off about groups like the NRA. When Los Angeles wanted to pass stricter laws regarding the sale of assault rifles, 90 and 250 round clips and body armour after the L.A.P.D. was getting shot up by 2 bank robbers in North Hollywood... NRA Members from places like Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota and other states came here to protest and tried keep the law from being enacted.
Look... we're not going to Montana to take away your precious assault rifles... we just don't want assholes pinning down uniformed officers behind their squad cars with heavy fire. You don't live here, fuckers... you live in fucking Montana. Go back home and let us deal with this shit.
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Again... not directed to RebornC... just the fuckers that leave their heavily fortified bunkers in the Black Hills to bitch about us city folk who don't like our cops getting cut to shreds by Kalashnikovs.

PaperPlates

Cosmo wrote:

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I don't know about rich... but, I agree about stupid.
No one has addressed my observation... the one about the people at the swap meet or on the freeways. Look around you... look at these people... would you feel safer is everyone of these assholes had a fucking gun in their pockets or thier glovebox?

It is already currently illegal for those people to have one in their pocket or glovebox. Barring having gone through all the legal steps. You make it sound like they just go to 7/11 and buy one on their way to work, load it up, and off they go.

69charger

Cosmo wrote:

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You should have seen these places in the early 90s.
Since the Assault Rifle Ban went into affect, the sales of these types of weapons has gone down.

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban expired in 2004. It was a completely ineffective law and did NOTHING to alter the funtion of the guns it tried to ban.

so you'll see completely disassembled assault rifles in boxes...

Why bother selling disassembled rifles when you can by the real deal right now?

And there are still mod kits sold to convert existing semi-automatics to fire fully automatic... those are still legal.

This is completely an utterly false! It is HIGHLY illegal to convert a semi-automatic rifle to fire full-auto. Any gun that fires more than one round per pull of the trigger is classified as an NFA weapon and has to be registered as a machine gun with the BATF. Only those with BATF licenses to manufature machine guns may legally manufacture fully-automatic weapons. Posession of an unregistered machine gun is punishable by 10 years in Federal Prison and a $250,000 fine.

You should really get a chance to see one of these things... it really is scary thinking about the amount of fire power that is out there.

Have you ever even held an AK or an AR-15? You'd realise how much hype is associated with thier perceived power. Your average hunting rifle has three times the power of an Semi-Automatic AK.

Get your facts straight.

PaperPlates

69charger wrote:

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban expired in 2004. It was a completely ineffective law and did NOTHING to alter the funtion of the guns it tried to ban.



Why bother selling disassembled rifles when you can by the real deal right now?



This is completely an utterly false! It is HIGHLY illegal to convert a semi-automatic rifle to fire full-auto. Any gun that fires more than one round per pull of the trigger is classified as an NFA weapon and has to be registered as a machine gun with the BATF. Only those with BATF licenses to manufature machine guns may legally manufacture fully-automatic weapons. Posession of an unregistered machine gun is punishable by 10 years in Federal Prison and a $250,000 fine.



Have you ever even held an AK or an AR-15? You'd realise how much hype is associated with thier perceived power. Your average hunting rifle has three times the power of an Semi-Automatic AK.

Get your facts straight.

Not the poster you were speaking to in particular, but in general, I'd be willing to bet most anti-gun people have never fired one, held one, owned one, nor do they probably have enough information to really make a judgement on them. They simply read the things other anti-gun people flood the public with on how bad they are, and believe it. For every reason to not be allowed to own a gun, there's two reason's why its perfectly safe and okay to have one. People get sick of "guns don't kill people, people kill people", not because its untrue. They tire of hearing it due to the level of truthiness in that statement.

cellophanehand

reborncareerist wrote:

You're generalizing a lot here ... For all you know, many of these assholes do not break the laws and are at about a 0% chance of killing someone with a gun. Do I think keeping a gun in one's glovebox makes the world a safer place? No. But if someone wants to do it, and they aren't a gang banger or ultra-paranoid, who cares?

but who knows who's not going to spazz out? you listen to half of people interviewed about those who've gone on a shooting rampage and 9times out of 10 they're like "ooh but he was so quiet"... "i can't believe he did it" ra ra ra. it's ridiculous to suggest that it's OK for people (any people) to have guns "just incase". if noone had them there wouldn't be this problem. it's that simple. everyone should care because the more paranoid we're encouraged to become (fear=compliancy) the more likely we're going to put ourselves and others at risk and next time you could be you. melodramatic maybe but in the US in particular that kind of seems the kind of lottery you're all happy to play.

hippiemom

PaperPlates wrote:

It is already currently illegal for those people to have one in their pocket or glovebox. Barring having gone through all the legal steps. You make it sound like they just go to 7/11 and buy one on their way to work, load it up, and off they go.

It's true that in Cosmo's state you can't buy a gun on the way to work because they have a 10-day waiting period, but in many states you can.

69charger wrote:

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban expired in 2004. It was a completely ineffective law and did NOTHING to alter the funtion of the guns it tried to ban.

Cosmo lives in California, which bans assault weapons.

"State law restricts the sale of all semiautomatic assault weapons that have specific military features such as pistol grips and folding stocks as well as a list of assault weapons and their copies such as the AK47 and Uzi. People who owned such assault weapons prior to the law are required to register the weapons and may not sell or give them to anyone else in the state. State law also restricts the sale of rapid-fire ammunition magazines in excess of 10 rounds."

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=ca#aw

rebornFixer

PaperPlates wrote:

Not the poster you were speaking to in particular, but in general, I'd be willing to bet most anti-gun people have never fired one, held one, owned one, nor do they probably have enough information to really make a judgement on them. They simply read the things other anti-gun people flood the public with on how bad they are, and believe it. For every reason to not be allowed to own a gun, there's two reason's why its perfectly safe and okay to have one. People get sick of "guns don't kill people, people kill people", not because its untrue. They tire of hearing it due to the level of truthiness in that statement.

I basically agree with this, regarding some of the posters here. Its clearly fear and ignorance. Not all, though ... People like hippiemom and Cosmo are gun owners who believe in some controls. At least, I think Cosmo is a gun owner?

Cosmo

69charger wrote:

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban expired in 2004. It was a completely ineffective law and did NOTHING to alter the funtion of the guns it tried to ban.

Why bother selling disassembled rifles when you can by the real deal right now?

This is completely an utterly false! It is HIGHLY illegal to convert a semi-automatic rifle to fire full-auto. Any gun that fires more than one round per pull of the trigger is classified as an NFA weapon and has to be registered as a machine gun with the BATF. Only those with BATF licenses to manufature machine guns may legally manufacture fully-automatic weapons. Posession of an unregistered machine gun is punishable by 10 years in Federal Prison and a $250,000 fine.

Have you ever even held an AK or an AR-15? You'd realise how much hype is associated with thier perceived power. Your average hunting rifle has three times the power of an Semi-Automatic AK.

Get your facts straight.

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California passed its own version of restricted sales of assault rifles. Los Angeles County and the City of Los Angeles went even further.
That why these dealers sell disassembled weapons as 'Spare Parts'. If all the parts are there, it is considered a 'Kit' and therefore, not legal for sale. You buy all the parts, minus one part... which the seller directs to to his partner, who can supply you with the part or parts you are missing.
And I didn't say they sold fully automatic weapons... they sell mod kits and instructions using the same tactics... a kit missing a return spring or retaining clip... which are available in another booth. The buyer is breaking the law when he modified the weapon in the privacy of his own dining room table.
And yes... I have fired many weapons... albeit, nothing fully automatic. I know that a Remington .30-30 Deer Hunter or a Colt .44 revolver pack a mean kick and have tremendous stopping power. But, an AK-47 or AR-15 can spray a greater area and put more bullets in the air in the same time you can unload the Remington or Colt. You take a deer hunter and give me an AR-15 with a 90 round clip and lets shoot at each other and see which is more lethal.
AK-47s and AR-15s are way too dangerous to be in the hands of the general Public in Los Angeles... maybe where you live... out in the boonies, it's okay... but not on the streets and freeways where I live.
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Thems the facts, Jack.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

I basically agree with this, regarding some of the posters here. Its clearly fear and ignorance. Not all, though ... People like hippiemom and Cosmo are gun owners who believe in some controls. At least, I think Cosmo is a gun owner?

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I have owned guns in the past, but, no longer do. I got swept up in the paranoid frenzy in the late 70s/early 80s about the blacks and Mexican gangs that the local televison news was feeding us.
Now, I don't want that shit in my house. I'm no longer afraid.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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I have owned guns in the past, but, no longer do. I got swept up in the paranoid frenzy in the late 70s/early 80s about the blacks and Mexican gangs that the local televison news was feeding us.
Now, I don't want that shit in my house. I'm no longer afraid.

Honestly? I would be. Maybe its because I grew up in such a ... placid place. If I lived in L.A., I'd have a handgun. Legal, that is.