Canadian Election

polaris

doin'the-evolution wrote:

YEP.


i'm in a rural riding... i was looking at a map on the bus to school today and everywhere south of the fraser river voted conservative.
I know there are a LOT of bible thumpers where I live...

in fact, the two people my age (haha, likely the only 2 other people my age who VOTED) that I know voted conservative were the 2 biggest, ignorantly, blazingly religious girls i know.

you know, the type of people who are daft enough to buy into all the 'look at me pushing a baby stroller' campaign and go, "oh, Stephen Harper, he's a great Christian, and what a family man! He gets my vote!"

unfortunately that's all they need and its their idea of being well-informed about what politicians are doing.

where are all the pot smoking hippies when ya need them?

small town beck

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Reading through the conservative comments on the cbc most of them were "go blue!!!!!!!!!!!!! " and... "stay the course!!!!!"

most were three word answers and resembling a trailer park rally beer contest, compared to the rest of the comments which actually formed sentences.

That is kind of offensive to actual folks in a trailer park rally beer contest.

Thecure

doin'the-evolution wrote:

YEP.


i'm in a rural riding... i was looking at a map on the bus to school today and everywhere south of the fraser river voted conservative.
I know there are a LOT of bible thumpers where I live...

in fact, the two people my age (haha, likely the only 2 other people my age who VOTED) that I know voted conservative were the 2 biggest, ignorantly, blazingly religious girls i know.

you know, the type of people who are daft enough to buy into all the 'look at me pushing a baby stroller' campaign and go, "oh, Stephen Harper, he's a great Christian, and what a family man! He gets my vote!"

unfortunately that's all they need and its their idea of being well-informed about what politicians are doing.

i personally think that you are going to see an american type country very soon, with teh small towns voting conservative while teh big cities voting liberal/ndp/green.

coachchris

Virtually nothing changed at all, so I agree it was a huge waste of money.

56% voter turnout is beyond embarrassing :(

All in all.....living in Alberta, my vote really meant squat. It was going to be PC and has been since I believe 96 *sigh*

polaris

coachchris wrote:

Virtually nothing changed at all, so I agree it was a huge waste of money.

56% voter turnout is beyond embarrassing :(

All in all.....living in Alberta, my vote really meant squat. It was going to be PC and has been since I believe 96 *sigh*

ndp broke thru in edmonton

Derrick

polaris wrote:

my thoughts based on various posts:

* we need proportional representation
* a carbon tax is the only we will address climate change - countries have imposed it (see sweden) and are doing great now
* it is really sad that 37% of the population will get to run this country
* definitely the youth are not engaged
* watching the vote splitting was agonizing last nite ... seeing so many conservative seats won by such a small margin and seeing the "left" vote split 3 ways

We definitely need proportional representation. Green had nearly 7% of the vote and 0 representation. This is a travesty.

And yes, I was thinking of starting a faux-ultra-right conservative party to steal votes away from the blue bastards!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

polaris wrote:

what is interesting is that most municipal centres did not vote conservative ... this is ridiculous ... 38% of the people who don't even represent cities is dictating national policy ...

seriously - why are the people in rural ridings voting conservative?? ... towns that have been hit hard with manufacturing - what is the motivation?

I'm guessing (and I'd put money on it) that it's an educational issue. My riding was blue. The vast majority are fed by what the media tells them to think, and they know little about the real issues facing foreign policy (which the media glosses right over), and are being merrily led along the garden path largely unconcerned.

Kel Varnsen

Derrick wrote:

We definitely need proportional representation. Green had nearly 7% of the vote and 0 representation. This is a travesty.

And yes, I was thinking of starting a faux-ultra-right conservative party to steal votes away from the blue bastards!

Proportional representation, why even bother when 44% of the people are to lazy to even bother to show up and vote. If the green party had gotten those 44% to vote for them they would be the in party power. It seems to be the people who don't vote who complain the most, so why bother rewarding the lazy for something that is ridiculously easy to begin with.

even flow?

Couldn't she have picked any other riding in Nova Scotia? Any, other, riding!

Kel Varnsen

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm guessing (and I'd put money on it) that it's an educational issue. My riding was blue. The vast majority are fed by what the media tells them to think, and they know little about the real issues facing foreign policy (which the media glosses right over), and are being merrily led along the garden path largely unconcerned.

Please that is a huge stereotype (you might as well be saying all Canadians live in Igloos), I am highly educated and I voted conservative. I reviewed all of the issues for all of the parties. Greens and NDP were all way to crazy and impossible, Liberals and Conservative were pretty much the same on a lot of issues.

Thecure

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm guessing (and I'd put money on it) that it's an educational issue. My riding was blue. The vast majority are fed by what the media tells them to think, and they know little about the real issues facing foreign policy (which the media glosses right over), and are being merrily led along the garden path largely unconcerned.

i don't completly agree with you on this one point. everyone believes what the media tells them the only differences is that you agree with teh media that you agree with and they agree with what they believe. my view point is that people don't look at different points of view and hence they get stuck in one viewpoint.

i could be wrong.

Derrick

@Kal Varnsen's post:

While I agree there needs to be a better way for potential world leaders to reach constituents, I would say about half the people I know couldn't care less about government in any way.

EDIT:
To take this one point further, as the babyboomer generation reaches the golden years, there will be even fewer voters turning out. If my expected lifespan is up in the next 5-10 years and I am set for those years or potentially beyond, I am really not going to care about politics in the least.

Hawkshore

What happened to the Marijuana party???

polaris

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Please that is a huge stereotype (you might as well be saying all Canadians live in Igloos), I am highly educated and I voted conservative. I reviewed all of the issues for all of the parties. Greens and NDP were all way to crazy and impossible, Liberals and Conservative were pretty much the same on a lot of issues.

uhh ... you are more than welcome to vote for whoever you want but how anyone can say the libs and cons are the same is beyond me ...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Hawkshore wrote:

What happened to the Marijuana party???

US right wing radical influence bubbling up across the border...and no cash.

http://www.marijuanaparty.com/article.php3?id_article=412

polaris

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Proportional representation, why even bother when 44% of the people are to lazy to even bother to show up and vote. If the green party had gotten those 44% to vote for them they would be the in party power. It seems to be the people who don't vote who complain the most, so why bother rewarding the lazy for something that is ridiculously easy to begin with.

uhhh ... what does this have to do how many people voted? ... it's all about the fact that 38% of the popular vote is governing this country when ideologically speaking, the other 62% disagree with that party ...

the libs, ndp, green and bloc would act on the environment - the cons will continue to do nothing ... having proportional representation means that 7% (that's significant) of the population will have their voices heard ...

the population wants a progressive agenda ... 62% of the population voted for that ... but we won't because of the way the electoral system is now ...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Thecure wrote:

i don't completly agree with you on this one point. everyone believes what the media tells them the only differences is that you agree with teh media that you agree with and they agree with what they believe. my view point is that people don't look at different points of view and hence they get stuck in one viewpoint.

i could be wrong.

The media is controlled, shaped and packaged to tell a story to people. It's partisan to a cause. If they started telling people what's really going on, and why things are they way they are, there would be no war, and the people running these wars, and deceptive corporate agendas would be run out of town with pitchforks. That's really just the way it is.

Kel Varnsen

polaris wrote:

the population wants a progressive agenda ... 62% of the population voted for that ... but we won't because of the way the electoral system is now ...

Actually the population, or at least 44 percent of them don't seem to give a shit either way. If parties (uncluding the Greens and their 7%) want more representation, chase after 44% and find a way to reach and inspire them, rather than going through all the effort to change the system which wouldn't really make much of a difference anyways.

rebornFixer

polaris wrote:

uhhh ... what does this have to do how many people voted? ... it's all about the fact that 38% of the popular vote is governing this country when ideologically speaking, the other 62% disagree with that party ...

the libs, ndp, green and bloc would act on the environment - the cons will continue to do nothing ... having proportional representation means that 7% (that's significant) of the population will have their voices heard ...

the population wants a progressive agenda ... 62% of the population voted for that ... but we won't because of the way the electoral system is now ...

Quit bitching, polaris. If the Liberals had won under similar circumstances, you wouldn't complain. And no, I think its pretty clear that the majority of people in this country voted for a moderate agenda. The Liberals have never represented a progressive agenda, as you put it.
You guys cannot ever do any better than subtley insulting people's intelligence ... Roland, you commenting on someone else's degree of education is pretty hilarious.

rebornFixer

polaris wrote:

uhh ... you are more than welcome to vote for whoever you want but how anyone can say the libs and cons are the same is beyond me ...

Um, go look at Dion's voting record in the House of Commons. Even Jack Layton pointed this out. The Libs and Cons were/are on the same page on a lot of issues.