i flipped after the vp debate - it was a mistake to watch that one but my buddy wanted to watch it ...
the canadian was an actual debate ... i think dion looked awful with his english and stuttering and you can tell he was stressed while jack and harper looked confidant ...
may - she was to the point and gilles was his usual witty self ...
i suppose as long as harper continues to say a whole lot of nothing and keeps his mps under wraps ... he's good to go ...
i flipped after the vp debate - it was a mistake to watch that one but my buddy wanted to watch it ...
the canadian was an actual debate ... i think dion looked awful with his english and stuttering and you can tell he was stressed while jack and harper looked confidant ...
may - she was to the point and gilles was his usual witty self ...
i suppose as long as harper continues to say a whole lot of nothing and keeps his mps under wraps ... he's good to go ...
FALSE MAJORITY
i was watching the debate and i thought May was teh best one. i don't think Dion looked that bad but it was hard to understand him (but teh same can be said for Chrient (sp?) and i like hime) i thought Layton looked liek an asshole.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
i flipped after the vp debate - it was a mistake to watch that one but my buddy wanted to watch it ...
the canadian was an actual debate ... i think dion looked awful with his english and stuttering and you can tell he was stressed while jack and harper looked confidant ...
may - she was to the point and gilles was his usual witty self ...
i suppose as long as harper continues to say a whole lot of nothing and keeps his mps under wraps ... he's good to go ...
FALSE MAJORITY
I watched the first hour or so of it. I did like the format. You were right about Dion, it was pretty bad that a separatist was actually more coherent in English than he was. I was surprised he kept bringing up Martin and Chretien, you would think he would not want to make the comparison, plus it made it look like he was trying to ride on their coat tails.
Pretty much everything Layton said made me cringe, especially when he was talking about the great NDP governments in BC, which were actually a trainwreck. His idea to have coast guard ships built in Canada sounded exactly like the whole BC NDP fast ferry scandal.
I was also annoyed that the other parties kept talking about manufacturing jobs like they were the greatest thing in the world. I have worked in some manufacturing plants, and a lot of the jobs on the floor are some of the laziest overpaid non-government jobs out there. Seriously I worked in a pulp mill where you could make $25 an hour pushing a broom badly (and new mill jobs typically only went to relatives of people who already worked there). I was especially surprised that May was talking about how important the pulp and paper industry is, since they are a huge polluter.
So i started watching both debates, fliping back and forth when i soon realized i was wasting my time with the VP debates. They were not debates... every time one of candidates answered a question (which they never actually did) it sounded like they were in a commercial. The canadian debates were actually DEBATES. The round table was a very nice format and the moderater was great. I learned a few things and got what i feel was a good impression of the candidates and there platforms (except for maybe Harper who didnt seem to have one). Rarely did i feel i was being talked down to like i was joe six pack (unlike the american debate with the "Folks" shit). I thought Dion did a good job, and yes i did have trouble at times understanding him. May was a great addition because like Duceppe she had nothing to lose and everthing to gain. Jack was also strong but the whole "kitchen table" stuff was over used and to polished, in my opinion. But overall i was informed and entertained, unlike the american so called debates where i felt my I.Q. depleting by the second.
i was watching the debate and i thought May was teh best one. i don't think Dion looked that bad but it was hard to understand him (but teh same can be said for Chrient (sp?) and i like hime) i thought Layton looked liek an asshole.
i know jack rubs a lot of people the wrong way and i don't think there is a lot you can do about that ...
i always find in these debates - it's the person who remains calm that always looks the best ... dion look extremely stressed and irritated ...
kel
manufacturing jobs are important to an economy - look at the states ... they don't build anything anymore - their economy relies strictly on the fact that they people operate with debt and consume ... that hasn't shown itself to be sustainable ... but i hear your point tho - some jobs (especially many unionized ones) are not pay appropriate ...
manufacturing jobs are important to an economy - look at the states ... they don't build anything anymore - their economy relies strictly on the fact that they people operate with debt and consume ... that hasn't shown itself to be sustainable ... but i hear your point tho - some jobs (especially many unionized ones) are not pay appropriate ...
I agree that the model you have mentioned is totally ot sustainable, but at the same time a model where there is a huge pool of really high paying jobs for people with little or no skills really isn't sustainable either. Don't get me wrong I feel bad when people lose their jobs, but a lot of the times when these manufacturing plants close they interview people who seem to have this attitude where a job making $30+ an hour plus benefits doing something that really isn't that hard is their constitutional right. One of the mills I worked at closed because it wasn't making money. A new owner bought it and tried to reopen it, but the union leadership wouldn't go back to work because he wanted to cut their over-inflated salaries so that they would have a chance of turning a profit. It is the same thing with that GM truck plant that closed in Ontario. I mean what do these workers expect if no one is buying trucks. Do they think their company should keep paying them to make something that can't be sold?
I agree that the model you have mentioned is totally ot sustainable, but at the same time a model where there is a huge pool of really high paying jobs for people with little or no skills really isn't sustainable either. Don't get me wrong I feel bad when people lose their jobs, but a lot of the times when these manufacturing plants close they interview people who seem to have this attitude where a job making $30+ an hour plus benefits doing something that really isn't that hard is their constitutional right. One of the mills I worked at closed because it wasn't making money. A new owner bought it and tried to reopen it, but the union leadership wouldn't go back to work because he wanted to cut their over-inflated salaries so that they would have a chance of turning a profit. It is the same thing with that GM truck plant that closed in Ontario. I mean what do these workers expect if no one is buying trucks. Do they think their company should keep paying them to make something that can't be sold?
well ... the value of skill is what is up for discussion here ...
the funny thing i find about the CAW and Oshawa plant is that they demand these high paying jobs for their work and skills but yet these are the markets that big box like wal mart thrive ... so, they want people to pay for their labour but yet go and buy products where that labour is worth next to nothing ...
having said that - the gm plant in oshawa is one of the most productive in the world and although they shouldn't be open just because - gm did strike a deal for loans and such from the province and then renegged ... that's not right ...
the funny thing i find about the CAW and Oshawa plant is that they demand these high paying jobs for their work and skills but yet these are the markets that big box like wal mart thrive ... so, they want people to pay for their labour but yet go and buy products where that labour is worth next to nothing ...
I imagine that comes from the lack of education that a lot of these manufacturing jobs require. I mean if you got a job at the truck plant fresh out of high school, and you are making 50-60k a year I can totally see that being the type of person who goes to Walmart every week and buys the latest DVDs or buys a crap BBQ because it is on sale and then buys another one next summer. But say an accountant or lawyer who is making the same amount has quite a bit more education and realizes the important of not blowing your paycheck on crap every week.
having said that - the gm plant in oshawa is one of the most productive in the world and although they shouldn't be open just because - gm did strike a deal for loans and such from the province and then renegged ... that's not right ...
That is pretty weasley. As far as the value for skill goes I think a lot of it should depend on how easy you are to replace. If your the guy who sweeps the floor at the gm plant or washes the cars after they come off the line and there are 1000's of other people who could take your place with little or no training, that should set your salary, not the fact that the union you paid into has really good barginers and has got you a guaranteed raise no every year no matter how good you are at your job.
I just had this forwarded to me from a friend...thought I would pass along
CSI 2008 ELECTION UPDATE
With October 14th fast approaching and so very much at stake, we decided to compile a list for you of all the election related blogs and initiatives that have been launched by, or are connected with, our incredible CSI tenants.
While the Centre for Social Innovation prides itself on being a non-partisan space, we are dedicated to sharing and supporting the work of our change-making colleagues.
To help inform your upcoming vote, and for further information about the Arts, Environment, Strategic Voting, and more, please see below for Election News from our community. We encourage you to get involved, and learn what you can to make an informed choice.
1. Progressive Multi-author Blog Analysis of the Election
2. Vote Smart so the Majority Wins
3. Coalition of Artists Take Action
4. David Suzuki Foundation Launches Non-partisan Site
5. Launch of Viral Strategic Voting Campaign
6. Advocacy Online launches the 'Canada Votes 2008' widget
7. Non-Partisan Arts Advocacy
Award-winning author Dionne Brand, filmmaker Brian McKenna, and environmentalist, David Suzuki, as well as newly formed advocacy organization, the Department of Culture, are the latest to join the multi-author election blog found at http://www.rabble.ca/election
Launched on September 7 with the intention of bringing together the best progressive analysis on the election all in one place, the response to the initiative has been overwhelming. The blog brings together artists, labour leaders and researchers, economists, environmentalists, first nation activists, youth, GLBT advocates, other independent media (the Dominion, Briarpatch)... people from all walks of life and from all across the country to participate. Visit the site for contributions from organizations including the Council of Canadians, the Parkland Institute, the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, the Rideau Institute, and from writers including Murray Dobbin, James Laxer, Jim Stanford, and NOW magazine's Alice Klein.
Initiated by Alice Klein (CSI board member) and Kevin Grandia, http://www.VoteforEnvironment.ca takes a whole new angle on the election. By providing a dynamic riding by riding prediction system, this site makes the best possible information available to Canadians so we can stop splitting the vote and instead vote smart to achieve government change not climate change
CSI tenants Darren O'Donnell (mammalian.ca) and Gregory Elgstrand have joined up with other Canadian artists to form the Department of Culture - a growing community of Canadian citizens who are artists, arts professionals and cultural workers concerned about ensuring the social and cultural health and prosperity of our nation in the face of a Federal Government that is aggressively undermining the values that define Canada. The Department of Culture is a movement ready to fight for progressive social and cultural values through artist-initiated actions that employ the skills, experiences, collaborative methods and imagination that define artists' work. For further information and artist resources visit http://departmentofculture.ca/resources/.
The health of our environment and the vitality of our democracy go hand-in-hand, which is why the David Suzuki Foundation was inspired to launch a highly interactive election website site, http://www.voteenvironment2008.ca
This non-partisan site encourages Canadians to engage in dialogue to ensure that the critical issue of environment does not get lost in the campaign, so that our next government, regardless of which party wins, will work toward solutions. It is also a resource to get the facts on environmental issues from climate change to public transit. So get involved and have your say!
Canadians concerned about the possibility of another Harper Conservative government have new tools this election. Some of Canada's leading new media content creators launched a cross-Canada viral media campaign in response to their own concerns about a possible Harper Conservative majority government. In only two weeks, the group, which includes CSI tenant Mark Kuznicki of Remarkk!, organized themselves on Facebook, created and distributed viral videos, launched a website at http://anyonebutharper.ca/ and developed an embed-able strategic voting web widget.
6. Advocacy Online launches the 'Canada Votes 2008' widget
Since elections are usually a critical time for the advocacy work of many organizations, Advocacy Online created a 'widget' that would enable individuals to find their local candidates and send them an email message. The 'Canada Votes 2008' widget can be added to any web page using simple embed code - similar to the embed code you would use to display a YouTube video. The generic version of the widget is free for any group to use. Please email graham@advocacyonline.net to request the embed code - available in English and French. To see the widget in action, visit: http://www.advocacyonline.net/cms/cmsloader?ejQwbm&view=281,521,3165,0,-html
CSI tenant Advocacy Online is a provider of e-advocacy software and services to charities and other campaigning organizations in Canada, the UK, the United States, and Australia. Our software platform, called e-activist, is used by over 100 groups to mobilize grassroot supporters, and enables them to campaign for policy change at the local, regional, and national levels.
CSI tenant Canadian Alliance of Dance Artists, Ontario Chapter (CADA-ON) is supporting the efforts of the non-partisan arts advocacy group, Canadian Arts Coalition, an entirely volunteer-run organization working to keep culture on the election agenda.
CADA-ON is a non-profit organization that empowers and educates its membership of dance professionals to promote the art form in society. CADA-ON developed the best practices document, Professional Standards for Dance, and its members benefit from programs including accident insurance, training subsidies, professional development opportunities and more.
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
What a stark (shocking) contrast from the US debates....they actually sit down and look at and talk to each other.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'll probably vote liberal like I usually do. Not that my vote really matters in the conservative shit-show we call Alberta. I'm hoping that one day this province will finally pull it's head out of it's ass, but sadly I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.
"I try my best to chug, stomp, weep, whisper, moan, wheeze, scat, blurt, rage, whine, and seduce. With my voice I can sound like a girl, the boogieman, a Theremin, a cherry bomb, a clown, a doctor, a murderer. I can be tribal. Ironic. Or disturbed. My voice is really my instrument."
i will most likely vote jack ... literally, he's the ndp candidate for my riding ... as much as I would like to vote for sharon (green) - like him or not, jack has done a good job representing my riding and the city and is doing something in ottawa ... he deserves to go back ...
I'll probably vote liberal like I usually do. Not that my vote really matters in the conservative shit-show we call Alberta. I'm hoping that one day this province will finally pull it's head out of it's ass, but sadly I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.
interesting ... gilles duceppe was campaigning here in toronto ...
i guess he sees the urgency in the situation ... but alas - it'll be too late!
He was?? WTF??? The Bloq has no candidates outside Quebec so whats he doing here??
That said I like watching the guy debate...if he wasn't willing to throw the rest of Canada under the bus to pass any bad budget or bill that has a Quebec bribe attached to it...I would have WAY more respect for the man.
"Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
i will most likely vote jack ... literally, he's the ndp candidate for my riding ... as much as I would like to vote for sharon (green) - like him or not, jack has done a good job representing my riding and the city and is doing something in ottawa ... he deserves to go back ...
Personally I would never vote for the NDP in a million years, but I do have a lot of respect for Layton for running his campaign as if he could win. If you watch any of his commercials or interviews he seems actually confident that he could be the next PM and that his party could form the government. Even though that probbaly won't happen I think to run an effective campaign you totally have to think that way so that your supporters can get behind you and people can get interested in your party.
He was?? WTF??? The Bloq has no candidates outside Quebec so whats he doing here??
That said I like watching the guy debate...if he wasn't willing to throw the rest of Canada under the bus to pass any bad budget or bill that has a Quebec bribe attached to it...I would have WAY more respect for the man.
exactly ... but he realizes that a harper majority would be disastrous for quebec and canada - so, he was meeting with some association last week here ...
Personally I would never vote for the NDP in a million years, but I do have a lot of respect for Layton for running his campaign as if he could win. If you watch any of his commercials or interviews he seems actually confident that he could be the next PM and that his party could form the government. Even though that probbaly won't happen I think to run an effective campaign you totally have to think that way so that your supporters can get behind you and people can get interested in your party.
i think he's got 2 things going for him ...
1. he's not a conservative or a liberal
2. i could be wrong but provincially ndp gov'ts have a history of being the most fiscally responsible balancing the most budgets vs. conservatives or liberals ...
so, although many such as yourself would never consider voting ndp - those who are open aren't as afraid as they used to be ... they have also seen that they were far more effective with 29 seats than the liberals with 103 ...
2. i could be wrong but provincially ndp gov'ts have a history of being the most fiscally responsible balancing the most budgets vs. conservatives or liberals ...
My only experience with provincial NDP was the BC NDP that was in power in the 90's. They were pretty bad. 2 Premieres in a row had to leave office in scandal. Plus do a search for BC fast ferry scandal. They attempted to build new ferries to Vancouver island and boost up the BC ship building industry at the same time. Unfortunatly the BC industry at that time had mainly built small fishing boats. There was insane cost over-runs and in the end the three ships had massive amounts of problems (it ended up costing almost 500 million dollars for 3 ships that didn't work).
Plus I was in university when they were in power. They made it so that there was a freeze on tuition, which was nice, but the problem was at the same time they didn't increse University funding. So with the cheap tuition, enrollment was high, but at the same time my school wasn't getting any more money and you could start to see when classes were getting bigger and lab equipment was starting to fall apart.
I live in Brampton; a major Convservative riding. My heart is to vote Green based on their eviromental platform. However I'm afraid it won't be a very strategic move. I may be forced to vote for the Liberal party this time around because a Harper Majority would be disasterous for Canada.
I live in Brampton; a major Convservative riding. My heart is to vote Green based on their eviromental platform. However I'm afraid it won't be a very strategic move. I may be forced to vote for the Liberal party this time around because a Harper Majority would be disasterous for Canada.
i guess you're not in ruby dhalla's riding? ... i'd vote for her just on looks ...
Comments
a divisive party and poor leadership
i flipped after the vp debate - it was a mistake to watch that one but my buddy wanted to watch it ...
the canadian was an actual debate ... i think dion looked awful with his english and stuttering and you can tell he was stressed while jack and harper looked confidant ...
may - she was to the point and gilles was his usual witty self ...
i suppose as long as harper continues to say a whole lot of nothing and keeps his mps under wraps ... he's good to go ...
FALSE MAJORITY
i was watching the debate and i thought May was teh best one. i don't think Dion looked that bad but it was hard to understand him (but teh same can be said for Chrient (sp?) and i like hime) i thought Layton looked liek an asshole.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
I watched the first hour or so of it. I did like the format. You were right about Dion, it was pretty bad that a separatist was actually more coherent in English than he was. I was surprised he kept bringing up Martin and Chretien, you would think he would not want to make the comparison, plus it made it look like he was trying to ride on their coat tails.
Pretty much everything Layton said made me cringe, especially when he was talking about the great NDP governments in BC, which were actually a trainwreck. His idea to have coast guard ships built in Canada sounded exactly like the whole BC NDP fast ferry scandal.
I was also annoyed that the other parties kept talking about manufacturing jobs like they were the greatest thing in the world. I have worked in some manufacturing plants, and a lot of the jobs on the floor are some of the laziest overpaid non-government jobs out there. Seriously I worked in a pulp mill where you could make $25 an hour pushing a broom badly (and new mill jobs typically only went to relatives of people who already worked there). I was especially surprised that May was talking about how important the pulp and paper industry is, since they are a huge polluter.
But Chretien only had control over one half of his face, what is Dion's excuse?
i know jack rubs a lot of people the wrong way and i don't think there is a lot you can do about that ...
i always find in these debates - it's the person who remains calm that always looks the best ... dion look extremely stressed and irritated ...
kel
manufacturing jobs are important to an economy - look at the states ... they don't build anything anymore - their economy relies strictly on the fact that they people operate with debt and consume ... that hasn't shown itself to be sustainable ... but i hear your point tho - some jobs (especially many unionized ones) are not pay appropriate ...
I agree that the model you have mentioned is totally ot sustainable, but at the same time a model where there is a huge pool of really high paying jobs for people with little or no skills really isn't sustainable either. Don't get me wrong I feel bad when people lose their jobs, but a lot of the times when these manufacturing plants close they interview people who seem to have this attitude where a job making $30+ an hour plus benefits doing something that really isn't that hard is their constitutional right. One of the mills I worked at closed because it wasn't making money. A new owner bought it and tried to reopen it, but the union leadership wouldn't go back to work because he wanted to cut their over-inflated salaries so that they would have a chance of turning a profit. It is the same thing with that GM truck plant that closed in Ontario. I mean what do these workers expect if no one is buying trucks. Do they think their company should keep paying them to make something that can't be sold?
well ... the value of skill is what is up for discussion here ...
the funny thing i find about the CAW and Oshawa plant is that they demand these high paying jobs for their work and skills but yet these are the markets that big box like wal mart thrive ... so, they want people to pay for their labour but yet go and buy products where that labour is worth next to nothing ...
having said that - the gm plant in oshawa is one of the most productive in the world and although they shouldn't be open just because - gm did strike a deal for loans and such from the province and then renegged ... that's not right ...
I imagine that comes from the lack of education that a lot of these manufacturing jobs require. I mean if you got a job at the truck plant fresh out of high school, and you are making 50-60k a year I can totally see that being the type of person who goes to Walmart every week and buys the latest DVDs or buys a crap BBQ because it is on sale and then buys another one next summer. But say an accountant or lawyer who is making the same amount has quite a bit more education and realizes the important of not blowing your paycheck on crap every week.
That is pretty weasley. As far as the value for skill goes I think a lot of it should depend on how easy you are to replace. If your the guy who sweeps the floor at the gm plant or washes the cars after they come off the line and there are 1000's of other people who could take your place with little or no training, that should set your salary, not the fact that the union you paid into has really good barginers and has got you a guaranteed raise no every year no matter how good you are at your job.
CSI 2008 ELECTION UPDATE
With October 14th fast approaching and so very much at stake, we decided to compile a list for you of all the election related blogs and initiatives that have been launched by, or are connected with, our incredible CSI tenants.
While the Centre for Social Innovation prides itself on being a non-partisan space, we are dedicated to sharing and supporting the work of our change-making colleagues.
To help inform your upcoming vote, and for further information about the Arts, Environment, Strategic Voting, and more, please see below for Election News from our community. We encourage you to get involved, and learn what you can to make an informed choice.
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1. Progressive Multi-author Blog Analysis of the Election
2. Vote Smart so the Majority Wins
3. Coalition of Artists Take Action
4. David Suzuki Foundation Launches Non-partisan Site
5. Launch of Viral Strategic Voting Campaign
6. Advocacy Online launches the 'Canada Votes 2008' widget
7. Non-Partisan Arts Advocacy
1. Progressive Multi-author Blog Analysis of the Election - http://rabble.ca/election/
Award-winning author Dionne Brand, filmmaker Brian McKenna, and environmentalist, David Suzuki, as well as newly formed advocacy organization, the Department of Culture, are the latest to join the multi-author election blog found at http://www.rabble.ca/election
Launched on September 7 with the intention of bringing together the best progressive analysis on the election all in one place, the response to the initiative has been overwhelming. The blog brings together artists, labour leaders and researchers, economists, environmentalists, first nation activists, youth, GLBT advocates, other independent media (the Dominion, Briarpatch)... people from all walks of life and from all across the country to participate. Visit the site for contributions from organizations including the Council of Canadians, the Parkland Institute, the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, the Rideau Institute, and from writers including Murray Dobbin, James Laxer, Jim Stanford, and NOW magazine's Alice Klein.
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2. Vote Smart so the Majority Wins - http://www.VoteforEnvironment.ca
Initiated by Alice Klein (CSI board member) and Kevin Grandia, http://www.VoteforEnvironment.ca takes a whole new angle on the election. By providing a dynamic riding by riding prediction system, this site makes the best possible information available to Canadians so we can stop splitting the vote and instead vote smart to achieve government change not climate change
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3. Coalition of Artists take Action - http://departmentofculture.ca/
CSI tenants Darren O'Donnell (mammalian.ca) and Gregory Elgstrand have joined up with other Canadian artists to form the Department of Culture - a growing community of Canadian citizens who are artists, arts professionals and cultural workers concerned about ensuring the social and cultural health and prosperity of our nation in the face of a Federal Government that is aggressively undermining the values that define Canada. The Department of Culture is a movement ready to fight for progressive social and cultural values through artist-initiated actions that employ the skills, experiences, collaborative methods and imagination that define artists' work. For further information and artist resources visit http://departmentofculture.ca/resources/.
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4. David Suzuki Foundation Launches Non-partisan Site - http://www.voteenvironment2008.ca
The health of our environment and the vitality of our democracy go hand-in-hand, which is why the David Suzuki Foundation was inspired to launch a highly interactive election website site, http://www.voteenvironment2008.ca
This non-partisan site encourages Canadians to engage in dialogue to ensure that the critical issue of environment does not get lost in the campaign, so that our next government, regardless of which party wins, will work toward solutions. It is also a resource to get the facts on environmental issues from climate change to public transit. So get involved and have your say!
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5. Launch of Viral Strategic Voting Campaign - http://anyonebutharper.ca/
Canadians concerned about the possibility of another Harper Conservative government have new tools this election. Some of Canada's leading new media content creators launched a cross-Canada viral media campaign in response to their own concerns about a possible Harper Conservative majority government. In only two weeks, the group, which includes CSI tenant Mark Kuznicki of Remarkk!, organized themselves on Facebook, created and distributed viral videos, launched a website at http://anyonebutharper.ca/ and developed an embed-able strategic voting web widget.
The goal of the campaign is to help progressive Canadians vote strategically this election in an informed way based on the latest polling data and the unique characteristics of their own ridings. Vote to win - get involved at http://AnyoneButHarper.ca/, and http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=27474812415
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6. Advocacy Online launches the 'Canada Votes 2008' widget
Since elections are usually a critical time for the advocacy work of many organizations, Advocacy Online created a 'widget' that would enable individuals to find their local candidates and send them an email message. The 'Canada Votes 2008' widget can be added to any web page using simple embed code - similar to the embed code you would use to display a YouTube video. The generic version of the widget is free for any group to use. Please email graham@advocacyonline.net to request the embed code - available in English and French. To see the widget in action, visit: http://www.advocacyonline.net/cms/cmsloader?ejQwbm&view=281,521,3165,0,-html
CSI tenant Advocacy Online is a provider of e-advocacy software and services to charities and other campaigning organizations in Canada, the UK, the United States, and Australia. Our software platform, called e-activist, is used by over 100 groups to mobilize grassroot supporters, and enables them to campaign for policy change at the local, regional, and national levels.
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7. Non-Partisan Arts Advocacy - http://www.canadianartscoalition.ca
CSI tenant Canadian Alliance of Dance Artists, Ontario Chapter (CADA-ON) is supporting the efforts of the non-partisan arts advocacy group, Canadian Arts Coalition, an entirely volunteer-run organization working to keep culture on the election agenda.
CADA-ON is a non-profit organization that empowers and educates its membership of dance professionals to promote the art form in society. CADA-ON developed the best practices document, Professional Standards for Dance, and its members benefit from programs including accident insurance, training subsidies, professional development opportunities and more.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebxSe7pVjWM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWmdQn5aaQ0
What a stark (shocking) contrast from the US debates....they actually sit down and look at and talk to each other.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
i guess he sees the urgency in the situation ... but alas - it'll be too late!
-Tom Waits
"shrugs shoulders"
He was?? WTF??? The Bloq has no candidates outside Quebec so whats he doing here??
That said I like watching the guy debate...if he wasn't willing to throw the rest of Canada under the bus to pass any bad budget or bill that has a Quebec bribe attached to it...I would have WAY more respect for the man.
Personally I would never vote for the NDP in a million years, but I do have a lot of respect for Layton for running his campaign as if he could win. If you watch any of his commercials or interviews he seems actually confident that he could be the next PM and that his party could form the government. Even though that probbaly won't happen I think to run an effective campaign you totally have to think that way so that your supporters can get behind you and people can get interested in your party.
exactly ... but he realizes that a harper majority would be disastrous for quebec and canada - so, he was meeting with some association last week here ...
i think he's got 2 things going for him ...
1. he's not a conservative or a liberal
2. i could be wrong but provincially ndp gov'ts have a history of being the most fiscally responsible balancing the most budgets vs. conservatives or liberals ...
so, although many such as yourself would never consider voting ndp - those who are open aren't as afraid as they used to be ... they have also seen that they were far more effective with 29 seats than the liberals with 103 ...
My only experience with provincial NDP was the BC NDP that was in power in the 90's. They were pretty bad. 2 Premieres in a row had to leave office in scandal. Plus do a search for BC fast ferry scandal. They attempted to build new ferries to Vancouver island and boost up the BC ship building industry at the same time. Unfortunatly the BC industry at that time had mainly built small fishing boats. There was insane cost over-runs and in the end the three ships had massive amounts of problems (it ended up costing almost 500 million dollars for 3 ships that didn't work).
Plus I was in university when they were in power. They made it so that there was a freeze on tuition, which was nice, but the problem was at the same time they didn't increse University funding. So with the cheap tuition, enrollment was high, but at the same time my school wasn't getting any more money and you could start to see when classes were getting bigger and lab equipment was starting to fall apart.
i would say voting strategic is the way to go ...
are ya in a swing riding?
yeah ... alberta is our texas ...
I live in Brampton; a major Convservative riding. My heart is to vote Green based on their eviromental platform. However I'm afraid it won't be a very strategic move. I may be forced to vote for the Liberal party this time around because a Harper Majority would be disasterous for Canada.
i guess you're not in ruby dhalla's riding? ... i'd vote for her just on looks ...