if you are told lies to sign a contract, how is it valid??

El_Kabong

decides2dream wrote:

your choice is to not volunarily sign up in the first place.
and i am not going to assume what soldiers are *made* to do......but first and foremost, for this discussion anyway...to me it's what you are given, your CHOICE to vountarily sign up or not......and agreed to said terms.....that's the legality of the contract, anything else imo is another discussion.

what if i sold you a car and told you it was in perfect condition and all that...so you buy the car and it breaks down and ends up being a peice of junk...could you not sue to get your money back?

El_Kabong

baraka wrote:

Hey Kabong!

I think it is dependent on what the contract states. Sadly, folks sign contracts everyday without understanding the legal ramifications, either by being misled, or lack of understanding the language of the contract. I think once the contract is signed, it is valid, even if the individual was misled or simply didn't understand it. It's very important to understand what you are signing. Unfortunately, it seems one needs a lawyer sometimes to translate the meaning and we all know how expensive that can be. :eek:

hiya baraka!

i guess so...but it seems like if i mislead someone into signing something there should be a recource...

i guess it would be hard to prove a recruiter lied to you, how would you prove it?

gue_barium

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gue_barium

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xkHTYfqwooE

That Colonel is full of shit in his surprise.

know1

El_Kabong wrote:

what if i sold you a car and told you it was in perfect condition and all that...so you buy the car and it breaks down and ends up being a peice of junk...could you not sue to get your money back?

You can sue anybody for anything. Winning the suit is a different story, and I believe you would not win in the example above.

know1

El_Kabong wrote:

really?? all you had to do was read post #6 to find at least one of the answers...

Here was post #6:

"i'm not so sure i agree w/ you on this one...at least for the recruiters...if they are knowingly lying to ppl to get them sent to a war based on more lies and bullshit....i don't find them that innocent.

if i set girls up w/ my friend who slipped them ruffies(sp) and raped them and i knew he was gonna do this...even if i don't rape them myself i am an accomplice in the act, right?

and i'm not trying to pigeonhole all recruiters, just the ones who knowingly trick ppl into signing up for this shit"

I guess I'm dense, but I do not see the specific lie that is being told.

chopitdown

El_Kabong wrote:

what if i sold you a car and told you it was in perfect condition and all that...so you buy the car and it breaks down and ends up being a peice of junk...could you not sue to get your money back?

you could sue and you may win especially since you don't say you have a written contract. The military is smart and they have very well-worded written contracts which are much easier to enforce. The lesson is read the contract and if you want to make sure something is there make it in the appendix that army contract offers. If it's not in the contract, it doesn't matter. Now, it is shady if they make promises to get you to sign that they have no intention of upholding but the contract states in bold letters that anything said or promised outside the contract is invalid.

sonicreducer

El_Kabong wrote:

i'm not so sure i agree w/ you on this one...at least for the recruiters...if they are knowingly lying to ppl to get them sent to a war based on more lies and bullshit....i don't find them that innocent.

if i set girls up w/ my friend who slipped them ruffies(sp) and raped them and i knew he was gonna do this...even if i don't rape them myself i am an accomplice in the act, right?

and i'm not trying to pigeonhole all recruiters, just the ones who knowingly trick ppl into signing up for this shit

the recruiters are knowingly lying to people because of the orders they received and the bonuses they get for getting more recruits (speculating). if you find out who they answer to, attack them. if you attack the recruiters, their bosses will just replace them with someone else who does the same shit, right? i don't know how recruitment works up the ladder, but there has to be some type of document protecting citizens from those lies,... id like to do some research on it. my grandma has been a civilian on an AFB for 20+, so ill ask her and see what kind of info i can get,...

Abookamongstthemany

gue_barium wrote:

That Colonel is full of shit in his surprise.

Very much so.

trappedinmyradio

El_Kabong wrote:

just a thought i had...certain ppl say about the troops that they signed the contract so they get what they are given...but these same ppl will admit recruiters lie to get them to sign the contract...that they tell them whatever they think will get them to sign...so, then, how is the 'contract' valid if they were pretty much lied to and tricked into signing it??

this is TOO easy to answer...when you sign a contract you READ the contract...you DO NOT listen to what someone is SAYING! if you fail to read it, then you are at fault...not the recruiter.

NEXT!

bgivens33

know1 wrote:

What you should really be doing is working really hard to convince people not to enlist....not trying to harp about it being illegal or they were mislead (of which you will never convince more than a handful of people...myself included and I oppose war). If we could stop people from enlisting, then it would be a lot more difficult to conduct a war, huh?

so I'm just a bit curious as to what you'd suggest if we get attacked again.... and we have no military?? I'm fairly certain if an 18 year old is old enough to shoot someone, he is old enough to read a contract.

DinghyDog

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