Study: College students more narcissistic

soulsinging

Jeanwah wrote:

And part of the problem is their parents. How do you expect your kids to be responsible and decent adults when they're raised being convinced that the world revolves around them?

well, there's a whole host of problems there. the parents are narcissistic too... divorcing as soon as they find a hotter piece of ass elsewhere, caring less for their families than for getting promoted at work, etc. they learn as much from the examples their parents set as by being bought off... these kids aren't taught the world revolves around them, they're being paid off to stop making demands on their parents' precious time and fun.

Jeanwah

soulsinging wrote:

well, there's a whole host of problems there. the parents are narcissistic too... divorcing as soon as they find a hotter piece of ass elsewhere, caring less for their families than for getting promoted at work, etc. they learn as much from the examples their parents set as by being bought off... these kids aren't taught the world revolves around them, they're being paid off to stop making demands on their parents' precious time and fun.

In some situations, I'm sure that's true. But there are others, where kids are just plain spoiled to the point of not knowing anything other than how to manipulate others into getting what they want rather than being raised to do things for themselves, which teaches responsibility, work ethic, etc. I hate to use this as an example, but just watch Wife Swap. There's no direction or discipline from parents to children, it seems, anymore.

It's driven me to the point, after watching my neice and nephews become spoiled shits, that I was going to raise my daughter right.

soulsinging

Jeanwah wrote:

In some situations, I'm sure that's true. But there are others, where kids are just plain spoiled to the point of not knowing anything other than how to manipulate others into getting what they want rather than being raised to do things for themselves, which teaches responsibility, work ethic, etc. I hate to use this as an example, but just watch Wife Swap. There's no direction or discipline from parents to children, it seems, anymore.

becos these are people willing to swap wives... ie more concerned about their own narcissistic pleasure than their kids' well-being. i dont doubt kids are spoiled, btu that only explains the narcissism of the kids who grew up privileged and the problem vastly exceeds the privileged kids.

Truthmonger

This is sooooo true !! I went through undergrad and noticed how people seemed so self-absorbed about their lives, and what they wanted out of this world. By the time i got to law school it was nauseating....I saw people who were constitutionally incapable of thinking beyond their own precious little world, and what they HAD to have. The sense of entitlement was sickening.

I served at Legal Aid in my 3rd year, a position to help the poor with legal issues, and one which counted toward my degree. Out of 150 3rd yr. students, they had trouble getting 10 seats filled at Legal Aid, and most students I talked to thought that having that experience on their resume actually JEOPARDIZED their future law careers. Holy Fuck !!!!!

ThumbingMyWay32

"A potential antidote would be more authoritative parenting."


Thank you liberalism. Thank you for your relentless attempt at feminizing every single last American child. Generation Y wasn't born that way, you molded them that way.

Somewhere, someone must be pretty happy about this.

inmytree

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

"A potential antidote would be more authoritative parenting."


Thank you liberalism. Thank you for your relentless attempt at feminizing every single last American child. Generation Y wasn't born that way, you molded them that way.

Somewhere, someone must be pretty happy about this.

so you think liberalism is to blame...interesting...

I would think the me, me, me attitude comes more from those with the proverbial silver spoon....the "let me buy it for you sweetheart" type of parent...the "you shouldn't care about anyone else but you and your cellphone" type of parent...

I fail to see that as being "liberal"...

Truthmonger

WTF does the issue of gender have to do with this ?! I think its much more about entitlement.

ThumbingMyWay32

inmytree wrote:

so you think liberalism is to blame...interesting...

I would think the me, me, me attitude comes more from those with the proverbial silver spoon....the "let me buy it for you sweetheart" type of parent...the "you shouldn't care about anyone else but you and your cellphone" type of parent...

I fail to see that as being "liberal"...

So a majority of children in America are silver spooners? That's what the numbers would suggest looking at it that way.

soulsinging

Truthmonger wrote:

WTF does the issue of gender have to do with this ?! I think its much more about entitlement.

you brought up gender when you said the problem was "feminizing" our kids.

ThumbingMyWay32

soulsinging wrote:

you brought up gender when you said the problem was "feminizing" our kids.

The term "feminizing" had no bearing on gender in the context inwhich it was used. Rather a characteristic.

soulsinging

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

The term "feminizing" had no bearing on gender in the context inwhich it was used. Rather a characteristic.

a characteristic of having feminine traits. he should have used "wussifying" or something similar if he didnt want it to have the implications it did. feminizing makes it seem like any influence of women on children is bad and that female traits are weak and undesirable. throw around sexist generalization like he did and it's going to undermine your credibility no matter how much merit it might have.

ThumbingMyWay32

soulsinging wrote:

a characteristic of having feminine traits. he should have used "wussifying" or something similar if he didnt want it to have the implications it did. feminizing makes it seem like any influence of women on children is bad and that female traits are weak and undesirable. throw around sexist generalization like he did and it's going to undermine your credibility no matter how much merit it might have.

If you prefer "wussifying," so be it. It's your world, translate it into any term that doesn't offend yourself. Besides, I said it. And yes, it has plenty of merit.

soulsinging

double.

soulsinging

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

If you prefer "wussifying," so be it. It's your world, translate it into any term that doesn't offend yourself. Besides, I said it. And yes, it has plenty of merit.

i confused myself. you're not saying anything new though. you just reiterate what the article said with more colorful language that allows you to place the blame on the political bogeyman of your choice. this problem defies political affiliation. it's a parenting problem and the parents are universally bad, be they liberals who teach their kids skills do not matter or conservatives who care more about getting a raise than what their kids are doing.

ThumbingMyWay32

soulsinging wrote:

i confused myself. you're not saying anything new though. you just reiterate what the article said with more colorful language that allows you to place the blame on the political bogeyman of your choice. this problem defies political affiliation. it's a parenting problem and the parents are universally bad, be they liberals who teach their kids skills do not matter or conservatives who care more about getting a raise than what their kids are doing.

Of course I said it in a more colorful manner. I'm not an unbiased, unpartisan source. I choose to blame liberal ideologies for the current state of many of the children reffered to in that article. I'll even take it a step further and blame it on the feminization of American society; the loss of an "authoritative" figure in many households today, be it mother or father. Alright, I'll step farther towards the middle of the aisle and bring divorce into the equation. Any way we choose to slice it I believe we can both agree that parenting is the root of the problem.

And to take it a step further I don't believe the silver spoon belief can always be applied here. I believe the welfare state to have it's own soiled hands in the middle of this as well. The welfare system has taught millions of people in this country that work isn't needed to be a functioning member of this society; that someone, somewhere will be there to pick up the slack for you. Essentially this being the government. Or a better term may be the American taxpayer. Albeit there are those who are "on/off" participants in this system do to job loss or whatever else, but that's beside the underlying point. The correllation between the American taxpayer and those who choose walfare as a means of work can be compared to that of the parent/child relationship in that very article.

Yada, yada, yada...

ThumbingMyWay32

soulsinging wrote:

i confused myself. you're not saying anything new though. you just reiterate what the article said with more colorful language that allows you to place the blame on the political bogeyman of your choice. this problem defies political affiliation. it's a parenting problem and the parents are universally bad, be they liberals who teach their kids skills do not matter or conservatives who care more about getting a raise than what their kids are doing.

Of course I said it in a more colorful manner. I'm not an unbiased, unpartisan source. I choose to blame liberal ideologies for the current state of many of the children reffered to in that article. I'll even take it a step further and blame it on the feminization of American society. The loss of an "authoritative" figure in many households today, be it mother or father. Alright, I'll step farther towards the middle of the aisle and bring divorce into the equation. Any way we choose to slice it I believe we can both agree that parenting is the root of the problem.

And to take it a step further I don't believe the silver spoon belief can always be applied here. I believe the welfare state to have it's own soiled hands in the middle of this as well. The welfare system has taught millions of people in this country that work isn't needed to be a functioning member of this society; that someone, somewhere will be there to pick up the slack for you. Essentially this being the government. Or a better term may be the American taxpayer. Albeit there are those who are "on/off" participants in this system due to job loss or whatever else, but that's beside the underlying point. The correllation between the American taxpayer and those who choose walfare as a means of work can be compared to that of the parent/child relationship in that very article.

Yada, yada, yada...

soulsinging

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Of course I said it in a more colorful manner. I'm not an unbiased, unpartisan source. I choose to blame liberal ideologies for the current state of many of the children reffered to in that article. I'll even take it a step further and blame it on the feminization of American society; the loss of an "authoritative" figure in many households today, be it mother or father. Alright, I'll step farther towards the middle of the aisle and bring divorce into the equation. Any way we choose to slice it I believe we can both agree that parenting is the root of the problem.

And to take it a step further I don't believe the silver spoon belief can always be applied here. I believe the welfare state to have it's own soiled hands in the middle of this as well. The welfare system has taught millions of people in this country that work isn't needed to be a functioning member of this society; that someone, somewhere will be there to pick up the slack for you. Essentially this being the government. Or a better term may be the American taxpayer. Albeit there are those who are "on/off" participants in this system do to job loss or whatever else, but that's beside the underlying point. The correllation between the American taxpayer and those who choose walfare as a means of work can be compared to that of the parent/child relationship in that very article.

Yada, yada, yada...

the "welfare queen" is a greatly exaggerated myth. i think the problem falls squarely on disintegrating families. kids grow up seeing parents behaving like selfish children and emulate it. be it a kid who watches his single mother milk welfare, or the kid who watches his dad collect new sports car and extra mistresses. they learn nothing of sacrifice, self-denial, or commitment to others. their parents treat their kids like a burden (again, be it a crack addicted dad in the ghetto or a workaholic attorney in the burbs) and divorce the second their s.o. fails to please them exactly as they want. it's a culture of cheap commodities and instant gratification. it supersedes all racial, income, or political backgrounds.

ThumbingMyWay32

soulsinging wrote:

the "welfare queen" is a greatly exaggerated myth. i think the problem falls squarely on disintegrating families. kids grow up seeing parents behaving like selfish children and emulate it. be it a kid who watches his single mother milk welfare, or the kid who watches his dad collect new sports car and extra mistresses. they learn nothing of sacrifice, self-denial, or commitment to others. their parents treat their kids like a burden (again, be it a crack addicted dad in the ghetto or a workaholic attorney in the burbs) and divorce the second their s.o. fails to please them exactly as they want. it's a culture of cheap commodities and instant gratification. it supersedes all racial, income, or political backgrounds.

Agreed. Though I still believe certain racial, income, and political ideologies have their own unique input into the problem. But, as stated, the bulk of the problem lies within broken families.

PJ_Saluki

I just think it's funny to hear people talk about "these kids nowadays" as if we were all that much different in the eyes of generations older than us. The Flower Children of the 60s became the "Me Generation" of the 70s. Then we had the Yuppies of the 80s to Gen X-ers to Gen Y-ers. The stuff of this article is just an excuse to start laying blame on someone else for how the world will be in 20 years.

Jeanwah

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Agreed. Though I still believe certain racial, income, and political ideologies have their own unique input into the problem. But, as stated, the bulk of the problem lies within broken families.

I don't believe this issue can be broken down to anything but parents simply not looking out for their children's best interests. It doesn't have anything to do w/ political leanings, race, or single families. If parents genuinely cared about raising responsible, caring, and mature adults, these selfish kids of this ME generation wouldn't be happening. I don't necessarily think it's narcissism of the parents (although in many situations it probably is the case), I just think that parents themselves are immature, or simply, don't care how their kids turn out. Not many parents intentionally raise their kids to be self-centered spoiled brats.