VP Debate

Mrs.Vedder78

slightofjeff wrote:

Well, it would depend on how what you mean by "won."

This isn't the Princeton debating society, where judges score you on points and whoever wins takes home a shiny trophy.

The only winner is whoever moves the polls.

Last week, I thought McCain cleaned Obama's clock. And then Obama gained ground or extending leads in almost every poll.

He won the debate, plain and simple.

I don't know that Palin will move the polls or not. But if she does, you can absolutely say she won the debate.

That is one thing I agree with you on.

Strangest Tribe

Palin is a joke...

seriously

Commy

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Palin is a joke...

seriously

agreed.

Dirtie_Frank

examples of both being wrong

PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama: "94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction."

THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year.

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BIDEN: Complained about "economic policies of the last eight years" that led to "excessive deregulation."

THE FACTS: Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis today. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse.

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PALIN: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."

THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control.

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BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."

THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it's meant to pay for insurance. That's like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.

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PALIN: Claimed she has taken on the oil industry as Alaska governor.

THE FACTS: Palin pushed to impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies and distributed the proceeds to the state's citizens to offset rising energy costs. However, she has also sided with the industry on a number of issues. She sued the Interior Department over its designation of polar bears as an endangered species. That puts her on the same side as the American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry's chief trade association. She also supports the industry's desire to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge — a position at odds with McCain.

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BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."

THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.

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PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007.

THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began.

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BIDEN: "As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry — deregulate it and let the free market move — like he did for the banking industry."

THE FACTS: Biden and Obama have been perpetuating this distortion of what McCain wrote in an article for the American Academy of Actuaries. McCain, laying out his health plan, only referred to deregulation when saying people should be allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. In that context, he wrote: "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."

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PALIN: Said Alaska is "building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets."

THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away. So far the state has only awarded a license to Trans Canada Corp., that comes with $500 million in seed money in exchange for commitments toward a lengthy and costly process to getting a federal certificate. At an August news conference after the state Legislature approved the license, Palin said, "It's not a done deal."

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PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."

BIDEN: "The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way."

THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others. In the March 14 budget resolution supported by Obama and Biden, McCain actually did not vote.

momofglynn

beachdweller wrote:

watching msnbc, and Buchanan just said she mopped the floor with Biden, lol

He is an idiot!

She looked pretty bad if you asked me

slightofjeff

momofglynn wrote:

He is an idiot!

She looked pretty bad if you asked me

I thought she was fine. I'm sure she scored points with some people across the country. Who knows?

Commy

momofglynn wrote:

He is an idiot!

She looked pretty bad if you asked me

how anyone can consider this a debate is beyond me. The questions asked never even addressed the real issues.

momofglynn

iam_NOTREAL wrote:

Whew, it's gone to 69% Biden to 31% Palin. I feel better. Think I can go to bed now.

seems like that number is very close to the number of bush's approval rating.....funny how that is

Commy

here's a question I would have asked.

Do you think you have a responsibility as president to help stop the genocide in Darfur.


Do you think we should continue funding nationalist regimes like turkey and Colombia, 2 of the worlds worst human rights abusers. Do we have a responsibilty to the 13 million people that die every year from easiliy curable diseases or starvation? Do we have a right promote democracy?

CitizenRick

You know what? All this dialogue is great and all...but the simple fact is..it's looking bleak for the republicans and Palin didn't do enough to give them another bump IMO.

She is a one trick pony! Goodbye GOP!

edit: Oh and by the way...answer the damn question Palin!

sheesh!

Anon

pjalive21 wrote:

hey Commy you live up to your name...i guess it fits since your an Obama supporter

Obama is an коммунистический диктатор

Palin took this debate hands down

hell with all you Obama sheep

ok now call me a "kool aid" drinking Republican or whatever other Democratic cliff notes you have

that post was done to purely entice commy into an altercation. troll. hang around sunshine and you will see he is way bigger than that. you might learn a thing or two about manners and how to debate without name calling and assuming things about people you don't know.

Commy

Pj_Gurl wrote:

that post was done to purely entice commy into an altercation. troll. hang around sunshine and you will see he is way bigger than that. you might learn a thing or two about manners and how to debate without name calling and assuming things about people you don't know.

Strangest Tribe

Even the poll on Fox has Biden 61% to 39%...


http://elections.foxnews.com/

Commy

how important are the vp debates when it comes to election time?

beachdweller

Commy wrote:

how important are the vp debates when it comes to election time?

I'd say this one is probably the most important in history. The economy is still going to be the nail in the coffin for McCain, not Palin, but Palin ain't helping except with the 20 something percent that still love George W

Commy

beachdweller wrote:

I'd say this one is probably the most important in history. The economy is still going to be the nail in the coffin for McCain, not Palin, but Palin ain't helping except with the 20 something percent that still love George W

ok so like if your vp candidate just bombed, would you change your vote? Like I could care less how biden did, its a tv peronality-off. Whoever presents a better persona seems to win and the issues seem pretty far down on the list...at least that's the interpretation I see. Like, is it that important for your vp candidate to do well?

LONGRD

Anybody who thinks the Mccain/Palin healthcare plan is better than the Obama/Biden's plan is seriously out of their minds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKywQoim8Rs This segment alone made Biden the winner of the debate.


refunds of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for the family....seriously, what good does that refund do, really? then we have to buy our own...:rolleyes:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm

Vedder316

LongRd. wrote:

Anybody who thinks the Mccain/Palin healthcare plan is better than the Obama/Biden's plan is seriously out of their minds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKywQoim8Rs This segment alone made Biden the winner of the debate.


refunds of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for the family....seriously, what good does that refund do, really? then we have to buy our own...:rolleyes:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm

Next time you at a doctor, dentist, ect ask them what the Dems healthcare plan will do to the care you recieve. Not to say Mc's is something to write home about.

Anon

Suppose Rudy's been promised a job in a McCain administration?

Called Palin's performance one of the best debate performances he's ever seen on Today this morning.

Yes, she didn't crash and burn. But have our standards fallen so far after eight years of Bush that not falling on your face equates to one of the best performances of all time?

SoonForgotten2

iam_NOTREAL wrote:

Suppose Rudy's been promised a job in a McCain administration?

Called Palin's performance one of the best debate performances he's ever seen on Today this morning.

Yes, she didn't crash and burn. But have our standards fallen so far after eight years of Bush that not falling on your face equates to one of the best performances of all time?

Does Giuliani have any credibility anyway?